Triple Jump---Dead Again

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I read the hightlights of the Board of Control meeting and noticed that the vote for the triple jump tied 4-4. Since the 9th member was absent, it did not pass by a majority---so no triple jump again.

I know that some people won't be disappointed but it would have been nice to add a field event.

Maybe they'll try again next year when all 9 members are there.
 
 
Well, they've invented phones, and email, and even hand delivered mail. I'm pretty sure that they could have gotten that person's vote without them physically being there. How many meetings per year do these people have? 3-4, seems like 100% attendance would be something to strive for, call me crazy.
 
Good:clap: the long jump is one of the most time consuming while can be the most unorganized of events in track at invitationals (kids checking in checking out to go to another event). It also requires a lot of manpower to rake throughout the meet(this falls on the parents and coaches). Then you add the fact of taking another sprinter out of an event then also have to coach it by stretching a staff for one more technical event???? meets are too long to begin with and to add that event and require those who host meets to cover this event is not in the best interest of high school track from any perspective when it comes to T&F.

Congratulations to the Board for getting this one right!:clap:
 
Even though it seems that BobbyKnows would like to get rid of the high jump, long jump, pole vault and hurdles (plus maybe the 4 x 1 and 4 x 2) because they are too "technical" for him and setting up the event takes time and "man power" and the meets his team hosts or goes to are poorly run, the Board of control dropped the ball on this one.
-43 of the 50 State Meets have the TJ - Ohio Does Not
-Ohio kids lose spots/money on college teams to kids with TJ experience
-It would NOT add any time to the length of the meet if done properly
(Time limit... number of jumps x 1:00... - 45 jumps = 45 minutes) -Four jumps, no finals so 12 jumpers would take 48 jumps... 48 minutes or less
-between 55 and 65% of Ohio HS coaches polled would like it on 3 different polls
Note:and this includes distance coaches (like me) who have their personal agendas and think the the purpose of sprints/hurdles is to give the distance kids a change to rest between events...ie. they think the sport is "Track" not Track and FIELD. (Bobby indicated his bias as he typed "...not in the best interest of track from any perspective when it comes to T&F.")

For those who share his sentiments... you don't have to contest the event when offered at a meet AND you don't have to contest the event when hosting a meet.

Add the triple jump would be in the best interest of track and field as a sport and be the best interest of kids...and to promote the sport and the kids is my main objective. I will agree with Bobby, that the triple jump is NOT in the best interest of lazy meet management, uninformed officials and ignorant coaches.

Just some thoughts.
 
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What disturbs me is that people make decisions based on what they are comfortable with. Just because you don't know anything about the triple jump or because at some meet it is disorganized, doesn't mean we shouldn't have it.

Go to a clinic, read a book, learn the event from somebody you know can teach you about it. For God's sake extend yourself a little bit.

All I know is I have a couple of disappointed kids who can't triple jump at the district meet this year.
 
ENA said:
Even though it seems that BobbyKnows would like to get rid of the high jump, long jump, pole vault and hurdles (plus maybe the 4 x 1 and 4 x 2) because they are too "technical" for him and setting up the event takes time and "man power" and the meets his team hosts or goes to are poorly run, the Board of control dropped the ball on this one.
-43 of the 50 State Meets have the TJ - Ohio Does Not
-Ohio kids lose spots/money on college teams to kids with TJ experience
-It would NOT add any time to the length of the meet if done properly
(Time limit... number of jumpers x 1:00... - 45 jumpers = 45 minutes)
-between 55 and 65% of Ohio HS coaches polled would like it on 3 different polls
Note:and this includes distance coaches (like me) who have their personal agendas and think the the purpose of sprints/hurdles is to give the distance kids a change to rest between events...ie. they think the sport is "Track" not Track and FIELD. (Bobby indicated his bias as he typed "...not in the best interest of track from any perspective when it comes to T&F.")

For those who share his sentiments... you don't have to contest the event when offered at a meet AND you don't have to contest the event when hosting a meet.

Add the triple jump would be in the best interest of track and field as a sport and be the best interest of kids...and to promote the sport and the kids is my main objective. I will agree with Bobby, that the triple jump is NOT in the best interest of lazy meet management, uninformed officials and ignorant coaches.

Just some thoughts.
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Let me get this straight. You are saying that each jumper would get only one jump and from the time the event starts each jumper would jump one minute after the jumper before him/her has jumped. While many of your arguments are good or make sense you lost all credibility with your time line. 45 jumpers would be getting 3 or 4 jumps and with the best,most efficient crew in the history of mankind it would require an additional 2 hrs. 15 mins. to 3 hrs. Then if we used the 3 jump situation, you would need finals which would require additional time.
 
panott said:
45 jumpers would be getting 3 or 4 jumps and with the best,most efficient crew in the history of mankind it would require an additional 2 hrs. 15 mins. to 3 hrs. Then if we used the 3 jump situation, you would need finals which would require additional time.
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Let's use a concrete example...long jump at the State meet.

From what I've seen the last couple year, it takes them a little over an hour to get 75 long jumps (16*3 + 9*3) in. This includes runthroughs for the second flight and finals. And they have lots and LOTS of help (both registered officials and other workers) and minimal contestants checking out for other events. There's no way you could get 45 triple jumpers (not jumps...jumpers) through the pit in 45 minutes.
 
Sorry for the typo, I will edit it and work on my reading.
It should have said 45 jumps in 45 minutes.... but I did miss inform something.
Duals or Invitational Meet do not need to offer "finals".
Here is the basis for my argument.
We Triple jump at out invite and give each jumper four jumps. Open pit for 45 minutes. Boys and Girls together after the LJ is over. We usually only have about 8 schools that have jumpers and some only have one jumper for each sex, but with boys and girls thats still around 12-18 jumpers. That's 48 to 70 jumps...and we are done in 45 minutes....(some get 4 jumps in, some do not)
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You need three "officials", one at the board with the tape (usually the LJ official) and one to watch the hop, skip, jump (usually me). and one to mark the tape in the sand.... plus two good rakers (Usually a Middle school or JV athletes). It's not a big problem for us and we have only one pit and have "Finals" in the long jump for both boys and girls.

did not mean to confuse anyone.
 
The Board of Control dropped the ball on this one. This issue should have been passed two years ago, but we are still behind most other states for this event.

We have competed the triple jump for our invitational for the past 5 years. We run an open pit, boys and girls at the same time 30 minutes after the long jump concludes. We had 38 jumpers last year, gave 4 jumps to each (many took one or two only) in a 90 minute span. There was some down time in he final 20 minutes, but all jumpers got their opportunity to finish. We made a call with 30 minutes remaining, and again with 15 minutes remaining to be sure to allow everyone their opportunity to finish. We have had no issues to date.
 
I could see where Large, one-day, invites that only have one pit would have a problem with the triple jump. (Like the optimist meet)
Solution may be to only have 4 jumps in the long jump and then 4 jumps with no finals in the TJ....or just don't contest the event.--- many invites in the NE do not contest the PV.

District, Regional and State meets should not have a problem with time unless the weather is the issue and in that case, the PV and LJ would most effected.

Regardless, the State meets will not have the TJ this year and some invites will so kid will have a limited chance to learn the event which may help them.

Also the OATCCC Indoor exhibits a proactive approach by offering the Weight and the TJ.... and concludes the events in a timely manner.
 
ENA said:
Even though it seems that BobbyKnows would like to get rid of the high jump, long jump, pole vault and hurdles (plus maybe the 4 x 1 and 4 x 2) because they are too "technical" for him and setting up the event takes time and "man power" and the meets his team hosts or goes to are poorly run, the Board of control dropped the ball on this one.
-43 of the 50 State Meets have the TJ - Ohio Does Not
-Ohio kids lose spots/money on college teams to kids with TJ experience
-It would NOT add any time to the length of the meet if done properly
(Time limit... number of jumps x 1:00... - 45 jumps = 45 minutes) -Four jumps, no finals so 12 jumpers would take 48 jumps... 48 minutes or less
-between 55 and 65% of Ohio HS coaches polled would like it on 3 different polls
Note:and this includes distance coaches (like me) who have their personal agendas and think the the purpose of sprints/hurdles is to give the distance kids a change to rest between events...ie. they think the sport is "Track" not Track and FIELD. (Bobby indicated his bias as he typed "...not in the best interest of track from any perspective when it comes to T&F.")

For those who share his sentiments... you don't have to contest the event when offered at a meet AND you don't have to contest the event when hosting a meet.

Add the triple jump would be in the best interest of track and field as a sport and be the best interest of kids...and to promote the sport and the kids is my main objective. I will agree with Bobby, that the triple jump is NOT in the best interest of lazy meet management, uninformed officials and ignorant coaches.

Just some thoughts.
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45 jumpers????? If it's state sanctioned in a 32 team invitational (16 boys, 16 girls) that's 64 jumpers now multiply that times 2 since you are running 2 different events that's 128 jumpers now multiply that by 4 (jumps) that's 512 ... lazy meet management ... how about providing factual information ... do the math ... it cannot be accomplished in a two and one half hour meet ...
 
BobbyKnows said:
45 jumpers????? If it's state sanctioned in a 32 team invitational (16 boys, 16 girls) that's 64 jumpers now multiply that times 2 since you are running 2 different events that's 128 jumpers now multiply that by 4 (jumps) that's 512 ... lazy meet management ... how about providing factual information ... do the math ... it cannot be accomplished in a two and one half hour meet ...
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32 teams and you think you'll get the other events done in two and a half hours? Exactly how many 32 team invitationals have you been to anyway?
 
mathking said:
32 teams and you think you'll get the other events done in two and a half hours? Exactly how many 32 team invitationals have you been to anyway?
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Really .... plenty. I guess you allowed us to know that you are working in a program or associated with a program that doesn't compete at large meets ... most invitationals with 8 lane tracks go with at least 2 teams per lane, 4 heats of each gender ... not that uncommon.

And yes, with FAT Timing and good officials, it gets done ... the only event that jeopardizes that time frame is the vault ...

what's your next question?
 
BobbyKnows said:
Really .... plenty. I guess you allowed us to know that you are working in a program or associated with a program that doesn't compete at large meets ... most invitationals with 8 lane tracks go with at least 2 teams per lane, 4 heats of each gender ... not that uncommon.

And yes, with FAT Timing and good officials, it gets done ... the only event that jeopardizes that time frame is the vault ...

what's your next question?
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Bobby gets his watch the same place CC609 gets his Garmin.
 
Bobby, Now I am confused.
Do you go to a meet that has 16 teams (boys/girls) that is done in 2.5 hours?
Do they have semi-finals in the dashes/hurdles?
Do they have the high jump? If so, What height do they start at?(
Note: at our meet, the HJ tends to take the most time and we only have 12 teams (12 boy's - 12 girls)
3-4 heats of the 1600/800?
Even if this meet is legit (w/semis, PV, HJ and four-heat finals of the 400/300 final etc), they should be able to get the TJ done in 2.5 hours, if you have more than one pit/runway.
If only one pit, Then they Do NOT have to contest the event(s)...and if you do not have the athletes or want to get home early, then do not worry about putting kids in the events that push the meet beyond 2.5 hours.

Sounds like this particular meet management is outstanding on the Track but lacking in the organization of Field events.

Maybe you could coax them to go to the Track & Field Clinic and sit in on the sessions about hosting a meet.
 
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Really .... plenty. I guess you allowed us to know that you are working in a program or associated with a program that doesn't compete at large meets ... most invitationals with 8 lane tracks go with at least 2 teams per lane, 4 heats of each gender ... not that uncommon.

And yes, with FAT Timing and good officials, it gets done ... the only event that jeopardizes that time frame is the vault ...

what's your next question?
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Bobbyknows, we go to some invitationals with 16 boys and 16 girls, we host one. I was making a comment that I have never seen one completed in 2.5 hours.

Even if you don't do finals and run everything on time you have 8 heats of the 100, 200, 400, 100 hurdles and 300 hurdles. That's 40 races. More likely in a 16 team invitational there are finals in the 100, 200 and 100H, so we are at 46 races. Then there are 4 heats of the 4x100, 4x200, 4x400 and 2 heats of the 4x800. Now we are at 60 races. Even if you violate the maximum athletes per event rules (or if some teams don't have two distance runners in each race) at most you can compress that to 6 more heats for the three distance races. So 66 races. About 2:16 per race average between the start of each race. So I salute your meet management skills. And I seriously doubt that the crew that can get a 32 team meet finished in 2.5 hours will have any trouble getting both the long jump and triple jump completed.
 
The Triple Jump would be a great addition to Ohio HS Track & Field. I did the Triple Jump in high school and college. I was very versatile, and I could have excelled in distance running or the sprints (probably best at running middle-distance). But I chose the Triple Jump because it's so much fun. With 3 different phases to work on (hop, step and jump), I knew by working hard on refining my technique on those phases (especially the step phase), there's plenty of room for improvement that can be made with this event.
I ran Cross-Country in the Fall, and I found all that Triple Jump training helped me with my distance running too. My legs were way more powerful than the other runners, and the spring in my legs made for a more effortless long stride. And visa-versa, Cross-Country training also helped me in the Triple Jump. I had better endurance and less extra body weight due to the distance training.
It's time Ohio HS Track & Field adds the Triple Jump to their State Meet. The Triple Jump is in college T&F, and in the Olympics. And as was stated earlier, 43 of the 50 states have the Triple Jump in their State Meets.
We moved to Washington state my Sophomore year in high school, and I was so grateful that Washington had the TJ in their State Meet. I made state my Junior year. My Senior year I missed going to state by finishing 7th in the district meet (the top 6 went). But I had a sucessful and fun college career as a Triple Jumper. Hey, and Triple Jump training helps basketball players too. I played basketball at my college too. The Triple Jump is a great event, and it's a shame the Ohio high school athletes are missing out on it.
 
You have lost your mind, saying that an Invitational gets done in 2 and a half hours. I've done this for over 30 years and it ain't happening.

Really ridiculous that they couldn't figure out how to get everybody there for a vote, even dumber to think that they just couldn't have had the person phone in or email in their vote.

Ohio is one of the best track states (all sports really) so why on Earth wouldn't they pass something that only keeps up with most of the other states in the country? Just dumb. Some of the things we do just can't be explained. And whoever is doing the math is way off, there would be teams that wouldn't have triple jumpers, and there would be even more that only had one triple jumper; if you think that every team in Ohio is going to have 2 triple jumpers you've lost your mind. No more than every team in Ohio having 2 pole vaulters.

As far as adding time to the meet, it would be jammed in just like everthing else is. I see way more problems in how kids are released or held in bullpens, which is what really extends the meets. Graham Districts last year, a Versailles girl had one more jump left in the high jump, and the official allowed her to leave to go warm up for the 4x800 of which she ran the third leg, it was a 50 minute wait for the rest of the jumpers and definitely changed the outcome of the finalists. That kind of stuff is what causes meets to run over. Give jumpers a time frame and make them stay within it. Putting good officials at the jump sites really helps too, they can move things along better than any other factor.
 
mathking said:
Bobbyknows, we go to some invitationals with 16 boys and 16 girls, we host one. I was making a comment that I have never seen one completed in 2.5 hours.

Even if you don't do finals and run everything on time you have 8 heats of the 100, 200, 400, 100 hurdles and 300 hurdles. That's 40 races. More likely in a 16 team invitational there are finals in the 100, 200 and 100H, so we are at 46 races. Then there are 4 heats of the 4x100, 4x200, 4x400 and 2 heats of the 4x800. Now we are at 60 races. Even if you violate the maximum athletes per event rules (or if some teams don't have two distance runners in each race) at most you can compress that to 6 more heats for the three distance races. So 66 races. About 2:16 per race average between the start of each race. So I salute your meet management skills. And I seriously doubt that the crew that can get a 32 team meet finished in 2.5 hours will have any trouble getting both the long jump and triple jump completed.
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First, no there are no finals ... FAT timing, seed heats ... in the distance races, in particular girls, you don't have many times more than one heat of the mile ... never more than one heat in the 4X800m or 3200m run ... with schools that do not have a large team or lack many distance runners, throwers, and jumpers ... in this day and age with pay to participate fees ... 16 team fields X 2 does not take more than 2.5 hours ... yes, it's called organization, good officials and good help ...

Sorry, that I keep shooting holes into your argument ... but, you know better... at least BobbyKnows and LM knows and Mr. Red and WhiteKnow ... no local invitationals that have a wide range of teams fills out every slot in every race no matter what the race or event is ... and these are very good invitationals ...

The triple jump is a good event, but, so is the javelin, so is the steeplechase, so is the distance medley and those would also be great events to add, but, track can be way too long for people to come out and watch in the spring ... especially the way you run a meet ... while it is run properly, it's not enjoyable to have 4 hour meets in sub 40 degree temperatures, with many times wind and rain and school the next day ... if you believe in the triple jump so much and you think and believe it's so attractive ... run it as an exhibition every meet , ask every meet manager to do it and see what they say? Before the girls pole vault ever became a sanctioned event many, many meets had the girls event ... quit your whinning and place it in your meet then report back the results and how efficient your meet was run ...
 
Gotta agree with bobbyknows, run the triple jump in every meet during the regular season that all of you want. Add it to your league meets and duals. We just don't need it in the districts, regionals or state meet. If you run it all season long at every other meet you will have some great marks to sell to those college recruiters that you feel are out there looking for that special triple jumper to give a full ride to. And if the kid is really good they can enter the national meets after the state meet and still excell for that college scholarship. If we really want more participation then the distance medley is the answer as we can have a sprinter or triple jumper in the 400 leg and have a few more opportunities for those distance runners that are still taking a back seat to all the sprint events AND you could put the event in when field events are being run and not add additional time to the meet at all.
 
horridus said:
Gotta agree with bobbyknows, run the triple jump in every meet during the regular season that all of you want. Add it to your league meets and duals. We just don't need it in the districts, regionals or state meet. If you run it all season long at every other meet you will have some great marks to sell to those college recruiters that you feel are out there looking for that special triple jumper to give a full ride to. And if the kid is really good they can enter the national meets after the state meet and still excell for that college scholarship. If we really want more participation then the distance medley is the answer as we can have a sprinter or triple jumper in the 400 leg and have a few more opportunities for those distance runners that are still taking a back seat to all the sprint events AND you could put the event in when field events are being run and not add additional time to the meet at all.
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Or we could just have 2 cross country seasons and completely eliminate track. Oh my goodness gracious I get so sick of you one minded cross country guys. Triple jump, javelin, and steeplechase are all "real" events that are conducted in the Olympics, NCAA's, etc. There is no need to make up events just so you can have more distance events in a high school track meet.

How can anyone complain and seemingly hate track, as much as some of you? It is the world's most versatile sport in that it has something for every type of kid, it is one of the truest tests of athleticism, mano on mano. I enjoy every event and love track. I certainly don't feel like there is any discrimination against distance runners, the events seem like they've been designed in a pretty straight forward manner: 100, 200, 400, 800, 1600, 3200, (geez, does anyone see a pattern here?)

And where exactly is this National Track meet that you bring up qualifying for? There is the USATF Nationals and the AAU Nationals of which you need to qualify for through qualifying meets, which has nothing to do with high school meets whatsoever. Since I go to the Nationals every year, I was just confused as to what Nationals you were talking about. We have the Midwest Meet of Champions, not sure about some other National meet. Nike meet? No clue which one you are talking about.
 
Whoa!, must have struck a nerve on the big fish. Sorry to upset you sprint guys maybe we should just have two track seasons and just eliminate XC. How about we add the hammer for those weight teams that are neglected or the javelin that Ohio doesn't allow. There are colleges out there with scholarships our kids are missing out on because we don't compete in the javelin and it is an Olympic event and don't forget a college one too. By suggesting the distance medley relay that was to get more kids involved and if you cry any harder bigfish maybe they can change it to the sprint type distance medley with the 200, 400, 800, 1600, would that make you feel better. And if you read closely through your tears you would have seen that I said enter one of the national meets, not a specific one, and then you can qualify once you start the process. Lord knows I would not want to suggest a specific national meet or you might blow a gasket and think I am supporting one over the other. And who said it had to do with high school meets. If your good enough you will have a mark worthy enough to enter for one of those meets. Boy I didn't know some track coaches had such thin skin. I just don't see the logic of adding the TJ when like was stated earlier most schools will not even have two kids and on top of that add more officials to the payroll. One last thing small fry, if we really wanted to make it two XC seasons we would add the steeple chase.
 
BobbyKnows said:
First, no there are no finals ... FAT timing, seed heats ... in the distance races, in particular girls, you don't have many times more than one heat of the mile ... never more than one heat in the 4X800m or 3200m run ... with schools that do not have a large team or lack many distance runners, throwers, and jumpers ... in this day and age with pay to participate fees ... 16 team fields X 2 does not take more than 2.5 hours ... yes, it's called organization, good officials and good help ...

Sorry, that I keep shooting holes into your argument ... but, you know better... at least BobbyKnows and LM knows and Mr. Red and WhiteKnow ... no local invitationals that have a wide range of teams fills out every slot in every race no matter what the race or event is ... and these are very good invitationals ...

The triple jump is a good event, but, so is the javelin, so is the steeplechase, so is the distance medley and those would also be great events to add, but, track can be way too long for people to come out and watch in the spring ... especially the way you run a meet ... while it is run properly, it's not enjoyable to have 4 hour meets in sub 40 degree temperatures, with many times wind and rain and school the next day ... if you believe in the triple jump so much and you think and believe it's so attractive ... run it as an exhibition every meet , ask every meet manager to do it and see what they say? Before the girls pole vault ever became a sanctioned event many, many meets had the girls event ... quit your whinning and place it in your meet then report back the results and how efficient your meet was run ...
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Why am I starting to feel like one of the Billy Goats Gruff? In all seriousness, I think that adding the triple jump is a good idea, but I am not that militant about it. It will create some headaches for us until a lot of coaches and officials are better trained. I am not for adding any more running events because at the vast majority of meets adding a running event will add to the length of the meet. In my experience, unless you have a really slow pole vault official (which I can attest to because of our own invitational, thankfully with a new official now) it is almost always the track events that are the last to be completed.

So by "blowing holes" in my argument BobbyKnows do you mean that at your 16/16 team invitational you have a lot less than 4 heats of each sprint race? Because I was only assuming 1 heat each of the 800, 1600 and 3200 for boys and 1 each for girls. However most of the 16/16 team invitationals we go to, including the one we host, have enough athletes to require 4 heats of each sprint. But let's say that you don't. So you can drop to 3 heats of each. And you don't have finals. (Which is also not generally the case in my experience for 16 team invitationals, but we go to at least one 8/8 that does not have finals.)

If we go with one fewer heat of each race (meaning at least 8 slots unfilled in each sprint) hen you have 100 x 6, 200 x 6, 400 x 6, 100H x 6, 300H x 6, 800 x 2, 1600 x 2, 3200 x 2, 4x100 x 4, 4x200 x 4, 4x400 x 4, 4x800 x 2 for a grand total of (5 x 6 heats) + (4 x 2 heats) + (3 x 4 heats) = 50 races. Which makes for 3 minutes per race. (Or if you assume about a half hour to run the 3200 2:30 for each of the other races.)

As I said, last year we went to four meets with triple jump and in every case the horizontal jump events were completed before the track events were completed. Two meets we hosted at home, plus the Westerville South Wildcat Invitational (8/8 teams) and the Gary Smith Invitational at Thomas Worthington (15/15 teams). The same is true of every other invitational I have coached or participated in which had the triple jump.

I would like to know where one or two of those very good 2.5 hour 16/16 team invitationals were that you went to are. I would in all seriousness like to talk to the meet managers and officials since shortening our meet is one of my goals. So what were two of those meets?
 
mathking said:
Why am I starting to feel like one of the Billy Goats Gruff? In all seriousness, I think that adding the triple jump is a good idea, but I am not that militant about it. It will create some headaches for us until a lot of coaches and officials are better trained. I am not for adding any more running events because at the vast majority of meets adding a running event will add to the length of the meet. In my experience, unless you have a really slow pole vault official (which I can attest to because of our own invitational, thankfully with a new official now) it is almost always the track events that are the last to be completed.

So by "blowing holes" in my argument BobbyKnows do you mean that at your 16/16 team invitational you have a lot less than 4 heats of each sprint race? Because I was only assuming 1 heat each of the 800, 1600 and 3200 for boys and 1 each for girls. However most of the 16/16 team invitationals we go to, including the one we host, have enough athletes to require 4 heats of each sprint. But let's say that you don't. So you can drop to 3 heats of each. And you don't have finals. (Which is also not generally the case in my experience for 16 team invitationals, but we go to at least one 8/8 that does not have finals.)

If we go with one fewer heat of each race (meaning at least 8 slots unfilled in each sprint) hen you have 100 x 6, 200 x 6, 400 x 6, 100H x 6, 300H x 6, 800 x 2, 1600 x 2, 3200 x 2, 4x100 x 4, 4x200 x 4, 4x400 x 4, 4x800 x 2 for a grand total of (5 x 6 heats) + (4 x 2 heats) + (3 x 4 heats) = 50 races. Which makes for 3 minutes per race. (Or if you assume about a half hour to run the 3200 2:30 for each of the other races.)

As I said, last year we went to four meets with triple jump and in every case the horizontal jump events were completed before the track events were completed. Two meets we hosted at home, plus the Westerville South Wildcat Invitational (8/8 teams) and the Gary Smith Invitational at Thomas Worthington (15/15 teams). The same is true of every other invitational I have coached or participated in which had the triple jump.

I would like to know where one or two of those very good 2.5 hour 16/16 team invitationals were that you went to are. I would in all seriousness like to talk to the meet managers and officials since shortening our meet is one of my goals. So what were two of those meets?
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It is in his mind.
 
Horridus has some good points....but I'm not sure Bobby knows much... about the triple jump at least.
FYI & questions
-You can not have the TJ (on any event) as an "exibition"
-If not every team has two kids in the track events, then not all teams will have em' in the LJ or TJ, so you should be able to get er done in 2.5 hours if you can get the rest of the meet in.
- How can you get up to 32 girls and 32 boys done in the HJ in 2.5 hours? I need to talk to the HJ official for help.
-Colleges do not give many triple jump scholarships... but instead they will give a sprinter/hurlder, high jumper, long jumper from Pennsylvania the $ ahead of an OHio kid with the same marks, when the PA kid is a quality TJe because they will score more points and won't have to start coaching with the basics.

Regardless.
The TJ was not "passed" as event a State Events for this year, so well organized meets can/should offer it. Our meet will still offer it. If Ohio is ever to get the Distance Medley, Javlin, Steeple or any other events we need to prove that it can be done with the Triple jump first.
As far as other events go, that will not happen unless we can demonstrate that we,as coaches, officials, meet managers etc. can handle the Triple Jump.

I did the Steeple in college, and am a distance and hurdle specific coach. I also coach cross country. Personally, I think the Distance Medley should replace the 4 x 200 relay. But my personal belief is not the point!...or should it be.
I ask you...
What is best for the Sport of TRACK and FIELD and best for the KIDS?
Adding time to the length to of a meet is NOT best for the sport. agreed?
Adding a great cost ($) in not really good for the sport. Agreed?
Adding an event that has greater potential for saftey risks - danerous is not good for the sport. agreed?

Giving opportunity to kids is good for the sport. agreed?
Continuing to learn new things about the sport is good for the sport. agreed?

Some people are just closed minded and set in their ways.
Example: Most who opposed the girls pole vault 10 years ago (like me) now realize that it has been good for the sport and great for the kids, but a few that I know still refuse to admit that they were mistaken. They say "It adds time to the meet" or "costs too much" or "My team will never vault cause it takes athletes out of other events"
It seems that most agree that its a problem balancing what is good for the sport and the kids, to what is good for coaches, the public and economics... and our selfish human nature.
 
I don't usually post in this forum but this topic caught my eye.

I did the triple back in the day and loved the event; wished the OSHAA sanctioned it for the states. I am for what the kids want and not worried about making it easier for the dopey adults that cannot seem to organize a beer run let alone a good track meet. Maybe we should have a panel of kids voting on what events to add/drop not the adults.
 
If you're going to add another jumping event then you also have to add another throwing event like the javelin or hammer.
 
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