top ten greater cincinnati? (records)

Lancermania said:
Jeff Ross of Lakota went 7'0" in 1979 not 1974 at the district.
Brian Bruner of Mt. Healthy high jumped 6'9" at the Colerain Invitational in 1981. He should be tied with the others at 6'9".
Steve Esterkamp won the Princeton Invitational at 6'9" in 1999.
Eric Higgins - District - 1991 - 7'0"
Mike Whitehead - Regional - 1st - 1975 - 6'9"
Derrick Childs - State - 1st - 1989 - 7'0"
Jason Kimble - State - 1991 - 2nd - 6'10"
Aaron Hurst - State - 1997 - 3rd - 6'9"

You have Eric Seitz down twice. We are only using a career best. Take out the 1995 for Seitz. Othewise, Steve Padget would be on the 3200 meters list at least five times. I don't think we want that.
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Ok good I was going to ask you guys about seitz. He did it in seperate years so I was wondering if we wanted to count both years. I'm waiting for the shot put so I can say Moe is the shot put school, haha.
 
Lancermania said:
Here is the tentative 300 meters intermediate hurdles (36") top ten. Updates, corrections?

300 Meters Intermediate Hurdles FAT
1. 36.38 1988 Glen Terry Sycamore State 1st
2. 37.72 1996 Jason Babinec Milford State 4th
3. 38.08 1996 Mike Sickles Princeton State 5th
4. 38.26 1998 Pierre Wooten Winton Woods Regional 1st
38.26 2002 Mike Bode Milford State 5th
6. 38.61 1996 Marvin Sutton Hamilton Regional 3rd
7. 38.63 1997 Alex Bannister Hughes State 5th
8. 38.67 1990 Melvin Johnson St. Xavier Regional 5th
38.67 2004 Bryan Carpenter Milford Regional 2nd
10. 38.70 2004 LaTarro Mitchell St. Xavier District 1st
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C. Milton Moeller 1978 38.4 converts to 38.64
 
moemancc said:
C. Milton Moeller 1978 38.4 converts to 38.64
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You can't count anything in the 300 hurdles before 1987. That's when the height was changed to 36". It was called the lows before 1987. Now it's called the intermediate hurdles.
 
Lancermania said:
You can't count anything in the 300 hurdles before 1987. That's when the height was changed to 36". It was called the lows before 1987. Now it's called the intermediate hurdles.
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Oh man I totally just did not think about that. Hmmmm that means we oughta go back through our records at Moe and see who has run the best time after 87.
 
4x8 has been totally finalized. I just need a couple of meets for the pole vault and high jump. Otherwise any corrections are welcome of course, and any more state champs in the high jump would be nice too.
 
moemancc said:
Ok good I was going to ask you guys about seitz. He did it in seperate years so I was wondering if we wanted to count both years. I'm waiting for the shot put so I can say Moe is the shot put school, haha.
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When I started doing the lists for La Salle back in 1995, I did like you did and put a guy's best for each year if it made the list. Events like the 1600 would have guys like Bader down three times since he ran his 4:13 as a sophomore. It was pointed out to me that college lists like those at Miami University only put down a guy's career best. That's when I went to only one mark per inidvidual.
 
moemancc said:
High Jump-

Jeff Ross Lakota 1979 7' 0.25" District Championships
Derrick Childs Northwest 1989 7' 0"* State Championships
Eric Higgins Hamilton 1991 7' 0" District Championships
Ryan Fitzpatric Moeller 1998 6' 11.25"
Jason Kimble Elder 1991 6' 11" State Championships
Mike Whitehead Princeton 1975 6' 9" Regional Championships
Eric Seitz Fairfield 1995 6' 9"
Brian Bruner Mt Healthy 1981 6' 9" Colerain Invitational
Steve Esterkamp Lasalle 1999 6' 9" Princeton Invitational
Aaron Hurst Lakota 1997 6'9" State Championships

There are your 10 guys for the high jump. I just need some meets now on these guys if at all possible and any other guy who has cleared 6' 9".
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Ryan Fitzpatric won the regional in 1998 with his 6'11¼"
Seitz did not do his 6'9" at the district, regional or state in 1994 or 1995.
 
moemancc said:
Pole Vault

1. Tim Roa Elder 2003 15' 10"* GCL Championships
2. John Russell Princeton 2002 15' 9"* AOC National
3. Brent Walter Moeller 2001 15' 7" District Championships
3. Chris Smith Princeton 2001 15' 7" District Championships
5. Drew Walter Moeller 1999 15' 6"* State Championships
6. Eric Keyes Princeton 2005 15' 3"* Midwest Meet of Champions
6. Jake Andreadis Anderson 1995 15'3"* Regional Championships
8. Ben Novak Turpin 1994 15' 2"
9. David Rimmer Mt. Healthy 1966 15' 1"* State Championships
10. Dan Woestman St. X 1999 15' 0" District Championships
10. Dan Albrinck Lasalle 2001 15' 0" Regional Championships
10. Kelly Tenbrink Lasalle 2000 15' 0" Regional Championships
10. John Porter Anderson 2003 15' 0" Regional Championships
10. Adam Klotzbach Fairfield 1999 15' 0" State Championships

the * denotes state champ
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I seem to recal that Novak did his mark at the Anderson Invitational, but I can't swear to it.
 
Seek Up said:
Here's the best I could get from my results. I'm sure Lancermania can assist on this one.


Eric Seitz, Fairfield, 6' 9", 1994 & 95
Aaron Hurst, Lakota, 6' 9", 1997
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Eric Seitz did make first team all city in 1994, but in 1995 sophomore Aaron Hurst was first team all city in the high jump.
I don't see anything on Seitz in 1995. Are you sure he was still around then or did he graduate in 1994. He is not on any honor roll list in 1995.
 
moemancc said:
High Jump-

Jeff Ross Lakota 1979 7' 0.25" District Championships
Derrick Childs Northwest 1989 7' 0"* State Championships
Eric Higgins Hamilton 1991 7' 0" District Championships
Ryan Fitzpatric Moeller 1998 6' 11.25"
Jason Kimble Elder 1991 6' 11" State Championships
Mike Whitehead Princeton 1975 6' 9" Regional Championships
Eric Seitz Fairfield 1995 6' 9"
Brian Bruner Mt Healthy 1981 6' 9" Colerain Invitational
Steve Esterkamp Lasalle 1999 6' 9" Princeton Invitational
Aaron Hurst Lakota 1997 6'9" State Championships

There are your 10 guys for the high jump. I just need some meets now on these guys if at all possible and any other guy who has cleared 6' 9".
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Better change Seitz to 1994. I don't think he was around in 1995.
 
Lancermania said:
I seem to recal that Novak did his mark at the Anderson Invitational, but I can't swear to it.
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wait, this is coming back to me, if andy wolf sends you his info and it happens to have the invite records ill bet that novak owns the meet record for pole at 15-2
 
Lancermania said:
Milford is the 300 meters hurdles school.
La Salle is the 320 meters run school.
Princeton is the pole vault school.
Princeton is the 4 X 800 meters relay school.
St. Xavier is the 800 meters run school.
Lakota East in the high jump school.
La Salle is the 1600 meters run school.
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Middletown is the don't invite us if you want to win school...;)
 
Here's my best shot at the long jump (henceforth known as the "further than twenty-three two" club...):

Jeff Roberson, 24' 3", Colerain, 1978, Sectional (1st)
Calvin Bostic, 24' 2", Forest Park, 1989, State (1st)
Bill Franklin, 23' 10", Princeton, 1985, State (2nd)
Mondale Hackett, 23' 7", Withrow, 1985, Colerain Inv. (1st)
Robert Shurelds, 23' 6 1/2", Western Hills, 1992, State (1st)
Al Lanier, 23' 4 3/4", Hughes, 1969, State (1st)
Eric Thurman, 23' 4 3/4", Princeton, 1989, Regional (3rd)
Robert Bouldin, 23' 3 3/4", Winton Woods, 1992, State (2nd)
Dusty Siegel, 23' 3", Mariemont, 1987, State (1st)
Jeff Hill, 23' 2", Mt. Healthy, 1990, State (3rd)
 
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Lancermania said:
Eric Seitz did make first team all city in 1994, but in 1995 sophomore Aaron Hurst was first team all city in the high jump.
I don't see anything on Seitz in 1995. Are you sure he was still around then or did he graduate in 1994. He is not on any honor roll list in 1995.
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My mistake on Seitz.
 
Lancermania said:
Here is the tentative 300 meters intermediate hurdles (36") top ten. Updates, corrections?

300 Meters Intermediate Hurdles FAT
1. 36.38 1988 Glen Terry Sycamore State 1st
2. 37.72 1996 Jason Babinec Milford State 4th
3. 38.08 1996 Mike Sickles Princeton State 5th
4. 38.26 1998 Pierre Wooten Winton Woods Regional 1st
38.26 2002 Mike Bode Milford State 5th
6. 38.61 1996 Marvin Sutton Hamilton Regional 3rd
7. 38.63 1997 Alex Bannister Hughes State 5th
8. 38.67 1990 Melvin Johnson St. Xavier Regional 5th
38.67 2004 Bryan Carpenter Milford Regional 2nd
10. 38.70 2004 LaTarro Mitchell St. Xavier District 1st
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Clinton Davis of Forest Park won the 300s in 1988 in 37.35 (a state record, although it was only the second year for the event).
 
Seek Up said:
Here's my best shot at the long jump (henceforth known as the "further than twenty-three feet" club...):

Calvin Bostic, 24' 2", Forest Park, 1989, State (1st)
Charles Pruitt, 23' 10", Forest Park, 1983, Regular Season
Jeff Roberson, 23' 7 1/2", Colerain, 1977, Regular Season
Robert Shurelds, 23' 6 1/2", Western Hills, 1992, State (1st)
Al Lanier, 23' 4 3/4", Hughes, 1969, State (1st)
Bouldin, 23' 3 3/4", Winton Woods, 1992, State (2nd)
Reggie Mills, 23' 1", Princeton, 1994, Regular Season
Ken Titus, 23' 1/2", Sycamore, 1985, Regional (1st)
Kevin Furlow, 23' 1/2", Western Hills, 2001, State (2nd)
Jeff Hill, 23' 1/4", Mt. Healthy, 1990, Regional (3rd)
Ed Colley, 23' 1/4", Woodward, 1971, Regular Season

The Enquirer indicates Roberson popped a 24' 3" in 1978 around the time of the district meet. Can someone corroborate? I only have results for the other district. Any additions or corrections are much appreciated.
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Just because a mark is on an honor roll list, I don't think we should use it. As you well know from last year when you maintained the honor roll yourself, coaches have been known to fudge on the marks. Some coaches were submitting relay splits for open events and indoor marks for the outdoor lists. I have also found coaches who submit the time they got on their athletes in the stands instead of the official time to the honor roll list. It's a prestige thing for the schools and coaches who fudge on the marks submitted.

I want our top ten to be documented marks that we can find from meet results. I just don't want to include honor roll marks without supporting documentation, sort of like Eric Miller's 1:53 which no one can find.
 
skins99 said:
wait, this is coming back to me, if andy wolf sends you his info and it happens to have the invite records ill bet that novak owns the meet record for pole at 15-2
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I got a reply from Andy Wolf wanting to know who I am and what organization I represent. He sent me no other information.
 
Seek Up said:
Clinton Davis of Forest Park won the 300s in 1988 in 37.35 (a state record, although it was only the second year for the event).
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I found it. Clinton Davis did win state in 1987 with a 37.60
He also won in 1988 with a 37.35.
Calvin Bostic of Forest Park also won in 1989 with a 38.53
Ian Fulton of Wyoming was second in DIII in 1992 with a 38.65
I have updated the 300 to include these marks.
Forest Park has now dethroned Milford as the 300 hurdle school.
 
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Seek Up said:
Here's my best shot at the long jump (henceforth known as the "further than twenty-three feet" club...):

Calvin Bostic, 24' 2", Forest Park, 1989, State (1st)
Charles Pruitt, 23' 10", Forest Park, 1983, Regular Season
Jeff Roberson, 23' 7 1/2", Colerain, 1977, Regular Season
Robert Shurelds, 23' 6 1/2", Western Hills, 1992, State (1st)
Al Lanier, 23' 4 3/4", Hughes, 1969, State (1st)
Bouldin, 23' 3 3/4", Winton Woods, 1992, State (2nd)
Reggie Mills, 23' 1", Princeton, 1994, Regular Season
Ken Titus, 23' 1/2", Sycamore, 1985, Regional (1st)
Kevin Furlow, 23' 1/2", Western Hills, 2001, State (2nd)
Jeff Hill, 23' 1/4", Mt. Healthy, 1990, Regional (3rd)
Ed Colley, 23' 1/4", Woodward, 1971, Regular Season

The Enquirer indicates Roberson popped a 24' 3" in 1978 around the time of the district meet. Can someone corroborate? I only have results for the other district. Any additions or corrections are much appreciated.
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The long jump was called the .Broad Jump up until 1965. Anyone wonder why it was changed.

I have printed evidence from the Suday, May 14, 1978 issue of Our Times that Jeff Roberson of Colerain went 24'3" at the "AAA" Oxford Sectional meet at Princeton.

Charles Pruitt - 23'1¾ - Mt. Healthy - State 2nd - 1981
Bill Franklin - 23'10" - 1985 - Princeton - State - 2nd
Jeff Hill - 23'2" - 1990 - Mt. Healthy - State - 3rd
first name on Bouldin is Robert.
Eric Thurman - 23'4¾ - 1989 - Princeton - Regional - 3rd
Dontai Colvin - 23'¾" - 1993 - Hughes - Regional - 2nd
Dusty Siegel - 23'3" - 1987 - Mariemont - State - 1st
Mondale Hackett - 23'7" - 1985 - Colerain Invitational - 1st
 
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moemancc said:
Oh man I totally just did not think about that. Hmmmm that means we oughta go back through our records at Moe and see who has run the best time after 87.
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The height of the 300 hurdles prior to 1987 was 30". From 1987 on it is 36". The height of the shuttle hurdles relay was also changed in 1987.
 
impartial observer said:
Thanks...I guess it wasn't quite as close as I remembered it to be.
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It was a close race all right. I was there. Hoeffer and Thomas came out of the last turn together. Hoeffer didn't pull away until about 50 meters to go. He won going away. You have to remember that Thomas ran the race of his life in the 1600 in the same meet running a 4:13.3 which was one of the fastest miles ever run in Cincinnati. Hoeffer was running his first race of the day.
 
Lancermania said:
I got a reply from Andy Wolf wanting to know who I am and what organization I represent. He sent me no other information.
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email him back that you are with yappi.com a high school website that has a track forum and that you are collaborating with an anderson grad:eek:
 
Does Andy read Yappi? I told him who I was in an email and what the purpose of the information was. He should remember me from my long time association with track and field in Cincinnati. I was the second track official licensed in Cincinnati back in the early 1970's when the state first started requiring at least one OHSAA certified official at a track meet. In fact I taught a class at Reading high school with about 30 high school coaches to get them certified as track officials. It was like a ten hour class over three weeks. I also talked to him about what Kurt Francis was doing with a top 25 at the 1995 summer track series at Anderson. Anderson hosted an all comers track series on Tuesday nights. I also recall that Wolf had Anderson's top performance posted near the entrance to the track.
 
Lancermania said:
Does Andy read Yappi? I told him who I was in an email and what the purpose of the information was. He should remember me from my long time association with track and field in Cincinnati. I was the second track official licensed in Cincinnati back in the early 1970's when the state first started requiring at least one OHSAA certified official at a track meet. In fact I taught a class at Reading high school with about 30 high school coaches to get them certified as track officials. It was like a ten hour class over three weeks. I also talked to him about what Kurt Francis was doing with a top 25 at the 1995 summer track series at Anderson. Anderson hosted an all comers track series on Tuesday nights. I also recall that Wolf had Anderson's top performance posted near the entrance to the track.
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i doubt that he reads the website but you can use it as a reference point for validity to the research and data collection.
 
I know my last list got torched, but that's not stopping me from trying again. Shot put:

Jeff Glos, Amelia, 62' 2 1/2", 1975, Sectional, (1st)
Dave Foley, Roger Bacon, 62' 1 1/2", 1965, GCL (1st)
Harry Woebkenburg, Moeller, 61' 6", 1974, State (1st)
Mike Marksbury, Norwood, 60' 11", 1973, Sectional (1st)
Tom Hassel, Purcell, 60' 4 1/4", 1980, District (1st)
Mike Munoz, Moeller, 59' 4 1/2", 1999, Elder Inv. (1st)
Doug Williams, Moeller, 59' 3/4", 1981, GCL (1st)
Stan Anderson, Fairfield, 58' 11", 1989, Anderson Inv. (1st)
Tim Berwanger, LaSalle, 58' 10 1/2", 1995, GCL (1st)
Ben McGrath, Moeller, 58' 8 1/2", 2003, District (1st)
 
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And as if one list wasn't good enough - discus:

Steve Quehl, St. Xavier, 181' 11 1/2", 1971, Miami Relays (1st)
Ben Bird, New Richmond, 179' 7", 1992, State (1st)
Mike Rapien, Elder, 178' 10", 1986, District (1st)
Mike Munoz, Moeller, 178' 2", 1999, Portsmouth Inv. (1st)
John Harper, Moeller, 177' 4", 2003, State (3rd)
Tim Berwanger, LaSalle, 175' 6", 1995, State (2nd)
Ben McGrath, Moeller, 174' 1", 2004, Bulldog Inv. (1st)
Tom Scrugham, Anderson, 173' 8", 1972, Sectional (1st)
Dave Mayer, Greenhills, 173' 3", 1974, District (1st)
Andy Mignery, Hamilton, 173' 3", 1999, State (3rd)
 
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Here is the tentative 200 meters dash list. Corrections, additions?

200 Meters Dash FAT
1. 21.04 1990 Mario Allmon Princeton GMC 1st
2. 21.51 1983 David Deering Mt. Healthy Sectional 1st
3. 21.71 1992 Hank Ray Sycamore State 4th
4. 21.82 1985 Chrales Kiser McNicholas Regional 1st
5. 21.84 1978 Vic Cass Purcell Regional 1st
6. 21.94 1980 Brian Mercer Forest Park State 5th
7. 21.94 2002 Cedric Powell Roger Bacon La Rosa’s 1st
8. 21.95 1989 Jude Johnson CAPE Regional 1st
9. 21.96 1987 Vince Clark CAPE Regional 1st
10. 22.02 1991 Tyrone Brown Withrow Regional 2nd
 
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