Top Teams Unchanged - Human Rankings

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SLCDad

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The top teams are almost unchanged from last week's summary of the human rankings.

Rank School cnnsi espn prepnation risemag studentsports usatoday Ave rank
1 Northwestern (Miami, FL) 1 1 1 2 1 1 1.2
2 St. Xavier (Cincinnati, OH) 2 2 2 1 2 5 2.3
3 Katy (TX) 5 5 4 4 4 4 4.3
4 Carroll (Southlake, TX) 4 6 5 3 6 6 5.0
5 South Panola (Batesville, MS) 3 3 6 5 3 11 5.2
6 De La Salle (Concord, CA) 14 10 3 6 7 3 7.2
7 Washington (Miami, FL) 8 4 11 8 10 10 8.5
8 Prattville (AL) 10 12 7 16 5 2 8.7
9 Cardinal Mooney (Youngstown, OH) 12 11 8 12 8 8 9.8
10 Pahokee (FL) 13 7 9 13 12 7 10.2
 
 
I have stated many times I don't believe any credence should be given to the computer ratings. Still, I must ask: Why do you no longer include the calpreps ratings in your compliation when you used to do so?
 
skyway28 said:
I have stated many times I don't believe any credence should be given to the computer ratings. Still, I must ask: Why do you no longer include the calpreps ratings in your compliation when you used to do so?
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Yeah . . . I've always used all of the rankings and preached that is the best way to measure.

I removed the calpreps model from my post for two reasons.

1) The model is producing some really wacky results this year. I don't know why, especially considering the model has been good in the past. Forget about SLC, but consider MNW. They are clearly one of the top teams in the nation (if not #1 which most people believe) yet calpreps doesn't rank tham.

2) Others have been posting the link to the total composite rankings this year so I decided to leave that to them.
 
Crusaders Football said:
because SLC was exposed as a fraud on the field and calpreps takes that into account.... that the only time they actually go out of state and find decent competition, they lose.

gotcha SLCDad:angel:

just kidding
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I know you are kidding . . . . but . . . . who is the decent out of state competition that SLC faced this year??? According to Calpreps, SLC hasn't played anybody in the national top 50 this year.

By the way, even if we include the calpreps model, SLC is still in the national top 10. Is that a fraud to you? That ranking is about where SLC started the season last year.
 
I don't understand why people like computer rankings because they are unbiased, and thereby don't suffer from human subjectivity (other than in the original programming), unless the results "look kind of funky" compared to what people think they should look like, in which case we should throw them out.

If an unbiased computer ranking is far different from most, or all, human rankings, that might be useful information. If you only use the computer rankings to confirm what you already think, then why look at them at all?

SLC has beaten two teams in the top 1000 in the country (obviously, this is somewhat circular, but going 1000-deep is pretty generous). One of those was just last week (and more will come if SLC keeps winning in the playoffs), and the other was by 7 points.

MNW has beaten SLC and one other team in the top 1500.

They have given no on-the-field evidence, as far as game results are concerned, that they are close to being the best in the nation, other than being undefeated (other than SLC's loss to MNW). And while being undefeated is good, there are lots of undefeated teams in the country.

While SLC was very, very good last year, and while MNW has a lot of great athletes, without beating good teams, they will not be ranked very high, because they have not demonstrated that they are among the best in the country. They may be among the best, but they have not demonstrated it.

If SLC wins out, they should move up dramatically (as WWS did last year). And if MNW wins out, too, they should get pushed up by SLC (I doubt MNW's playoff run would help much by itself).
 
Chicago said:
I don't understand why people like computer rankings because they are unbiased, and thereby don't suffer from human subjectivity (other than in the original programming), unless the results "look kind of funky" compared to what people think they should look like, in which case we should throw them out.

If an unbiased computer ranking is far different from most, or all, human rankings, that might be useful information. If you only use the computer rankings to confirm what you already think, then why look at them at all?

SLC has beaten two teams in the top 1000 in the country (obviously, this is somewhat circular, but going 1000-deep is pretty generous). One of those was just last week (and more will come if SLC keeps winning in the playoffs), and the other was by 7 points.

MNW has beaten SLC and one other team in the top 1500.

They have given no on-the-field evidence, as far as game results are concerned, that they are close to being the best in the nation, other than being undefeated (other than SLC's loss to MNW). And while being undefeated is good, there are lots of undefeated teams in the country.

While SLC was very, very good last year, and while MNW has a lot of great athletes, without beating good teams, they will not be ranked very high, because they have not demonstrated that they are among the best in the country. They may be among the best, but they have not demonstrated it.

If SLC wins out, they should move up dramatically (as WWS did last year). And if MNW wins out, too, they should get pushed up by SLC (I doubt MNW's playoff run would help much by itself).
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I agree witnh Chicago's initial point above. That the computer results are different should not, by itself, discredit the computer ratings. Of course, there are lots of other factors that discredit the computers anyway!

It's also true that MNW and SLC have done little to prove they are better than any of the other teams in the country. After all, both play teams (asie from their own matchup) exclusively from a very small area relative to the country as a whole. BUT, none of the other teams in the country have proven much in that way either. There is just not enough interregion competition for anybody to do so.
 
Computer ranking are most useful at the end of the season after the playoffs I always thought. I hope you include Calpreps in your final ranking.
 
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