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Tom/Bill.. Eli OWNS U!!!

recently, I know you're facing a lot of criticism of Brady here on this board, so I appreciate your position, but you're offering quite a bit of conditionals to this game...the same conditionals I know you chastise on many, many occasions.
 
I don't think I've disagreed with anything anyone has said about Brady. D-Rod and I disagreed about Welker being able to catch that ball, but that's really it. I think the consensus is that he played well until his shoulder got hit, and then he started missing throws that he normally makes.
 
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I don't think I've disagreed with anything anyone has said about Brady. D-Rod and I disagreed about Welker being able to catch that ball, but that's really it. I think the consensus is that he played well until his shoulder got hit, and then he started missing throws that he normally makes.
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I'm talking about the "ifs"
 
If Gronk is 100% I think the Pats win. I don't think that is far-fetched or unfair. If Welker catches that ball I think the Pats win. I don't think that is unfair either.
 
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If Gronk is 100% I think the Pats win. I don't think that is far-fetched or unfair. If Welker catches that ball I think the Pats win. I don't think that is unfair either.
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I think you're missing my point...but quite frankly, I'm too wrapped up in the 90's thread to really spell it out :laugh:
 
I know what your point is. If other people were playing the "If" game, I'd be chastising them. I probably would. At least I can admit it.
 
Eli is not an elite QB.

Career- 82.1 QBR, 185 tds passing to 129 int's, 58.4 career completion percentage, 67 fumbles, 31 fumbles lost, 4 career rush tds.

So that's 189 tds and 160 turnovers

How is that elite in today's game?

And how many NFL records has he broken?
 
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If Gronk is 100% I think the Pats win. I don't think that is far-fetched or unfair. If Welker catches that ball I think the Pats win. I don't think that is unfair either.
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Are you listening to yourself throughout this thread? You're nothing but a professional excuse maker. What about all the injuries Green Bay had when they won the Super Bowl last year. All the "if's" and "but's" don't mean a damn thing. The fact you'd take Brady over Peyton is laughable. Zero titles since Spygate. Need I say more?
 
ChazzMichaelMichaels said:
Are you listening to yourself throughout this thread? You're nothing but a professional excuse maker. What about all the injuries Green Bay had when they won the Super Bowl last year. All the "if's" and "but's" don't mean a damn thing. The fact you'd take Brady over Peyton is laughable. Zero titles since Spygate. Need I say more?
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3 > 1
 
cpc5304 said:
Just discovered this thread. Holy crap is Chazz "special".
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Meet Chazz

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Do you have any proof that they cheated during all three Super Bowls? Because the NFL certainly didn't have enough to take their titles away or even put an asterisk next to their titles.

Oh, and Tom Brady had two of the best seasons for a QB in NFL history (2007 and 2010; and hell, his 2011 was damn good too) after the whole Spygate thing was over, so I would say that my putting him ahead of Peyton Manning is still pretty justifiable. Sorry.
 
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Do you have any proof that they cheated during all three Super Bowls? Because the NFL certainly didn't have enough to take their titles away or even put an asterisk next to their titles.

Oh, and Tom Brady had two of the best seasons for a QB in NFL history (2007 and 2010; and hell, his 2011 was damn good too) after the whole Spygate thing was over, so I would say that my putting him ahead of Peyton Manning is still pretty justifiable. Sorry.
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If you think they weren't cheating throughout all 3 of their Super Bowl wins, you're aloof.

I never said Tom Brady was garbage, so let's not portray an inaccurate picture. It's probably already been said, but it's so true, it needs repeated... look at the Pats when Tom Brady was gone for the season, and look at the Colts when Peyton Manning was gone for the season. It's even more so justifiable to take Peyton over Brady.
 
ChazzMichaelMichaels said:
If you think they weren't cheating throughout all 3 of their Super Bowl wins, you're aloof.

I never said Tom Brady was garbage, so let's not portray an inaccurate picture. It's probably already been said, but it's so true, it needs repeated... look at the Pats when Tom Brady was gone for the season, and look at the Colts when Peyton Manning was gone for the season. It's even more so justifiable to take Peyton over Brady.
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Oh, so because the Patriots know how to build a team and the Colts don't, Manning is better than Brady? That's awful logic. Manning's value to his team says nothing about Brady's value to his. It isn't a transitive property.

Secondly, Brady was hurt coming off a 16-0 season and they had that entire team back. With Brady, they likely go at least 15-1 and maybe unbeaten again. With Cassel, they missed the playoffs. I'd say Brady has some value.

And no, I think they won three Super Bowls fairly and by being better than everyone else. The NFL obviously agrees.
 
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Oh, so because the Patriots know how to build a team and the Colts don't, Manning is better than Brady? That's awful logic. Manning's value to his team says nothing about Brady's value to his. It isn't a transitive property.

Secondly, Brady was hurt coming off a 16-0 season and they had that entire team back. With Brady, they likely go at least 15-1 and maybe unbeaten again. With Cassel, they missed the playoffs. I'd say Brady has some value.

And no, I think they won three Super Bowls fairly and by being better than everyone else. The NFL obviously agrees.
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You just said it and didn't even know it... the Patriots are built better than the Colts, yet Indy is a Super Bowl contender every year Manning plays. To me, that is pretty "transitive."

It doesn't matter if the Patriots barely missed the playoffs under Cassel. The fact of the matter is, they didn't end up with the #1 overall pick in the following year's draft.

And the NFL isn't going to strip titles no matter what. This isn't college football.
 
ChazzMichaelMichaels said:
If you think they weren't cheating throughout all 3 of their Super Bowl wins, you're aloof.

I never said Tom Brady was garbage, so let's not portray an inaccurate picture. It's probably already been said, but it's so true, it needs repeated... look at the Pats when Tom Brady was gone for the season, and look at the Colts when Peyton Manning was gone for the season. It's even more so justifiable to take Peyton over Brady.
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Not really. NE had a really good defense that year which certainly helped. They only allowed 17.1 points per game that year. 288.3 yards per game were given up. Against NE, the average QB rating was 75.46 which was then 10th lowest.

Indy's defense this year gave up 371.2 yards per game and 26.9 points per game. Opposing QBs average QB rating against Indy's defense this year was 102.29, the second highest in the NFL.
 
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Not really. NE had a really good defense that year which certainly helped. They only allowed 17.1 points per game that year. 288.3 yards per game were given up. Against NE, the average QB rating was 75.46.

Indy's defense this year gave up 371.2 yards per game and 26.9 points per game. Opposing QBs average QB rating against Indy's defense this year was 102.29, the second highest in the NFL.
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Why do you think it took Indy so long to get over the NE hump? Manning has played with terrible defenses his entire career.
 
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