The Official 2024 Reds season thread

14Red said:
Looking at the Reds prospect list, Reece Hines is listed as 2024 ETA, As is Blake Dunn, Hector Rodriguez and Jay Allen are listed as 2025. Also many of the other top prospects are listed as infielders, so we may seem some guys, both current and prospects may be changing positions.
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Great! Your plan is to hope we catch lightning in a bottle in 2024.

How about ownership just spend a little bit of money on a proven guy?

$60M payroll is miniscule yet probably enough to give this team a shot at the playoffs and beyond.

BTW, $60M would actually be a reduction in payroll from this year.
 
14Red said:
Have you followed Chapman at all this year?
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No signs he isn’t pitching at the top of his game still.
 
wolves82 said:
I'd much prefer Soler to Duvall (age 35). Not sure if he is worth $15M + though. I'd go 12-13.

Soler has seemingly fixed his plate discipline issue; he walked more and raised his OBP this past year, and actually batted lead off for Marlins a lot this year. Power is undeniable, he hit 48 HR in KC one year, 36 in Miami last year. He is a 40+ guy in GABP.
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Soler is 31 currently. He is likely going to need a 4 year deal in the $60M range. Certainly affordable for the Reds.

I'm not a big fan of such a move. I'd rather trade for a 27-28 yo controllable outfielder who is still relatively cheap and buy the pitching.
 
Indiandad said:
Great! Your plan is to hope we catch lightning in a bottle in 2024.

How about ownership just spend a little bit of money on a proven guy?

$60M payroll is miniscule yet probably enough to give this team a shot at the playoffs and beyond.

BTW, $60M would actually be a reduction in payroll from this year.
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I'm sure they will do what they need to do. I feel the Reds are committed to winning. Long term building the right way, not a shotgun wedding.
 
14Red said:
Looking at the Reds prospect list, Reece Hines is listed as 2024 ETA, As is Blake Dunn, Hector Rodriguez and Jay Allen are listed as 2025. Also many of the other top prospects are listed as infielders, so we may seem some guys, both current and prospects may be changing positions.
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The others have already said it, but if your plan is to hope that all of our 2024 prospects click like they did in 2023, that is crazy. Very unlikely.

You sit there and worry about "what if we pick the wrong FA guys?" Well, then we need new people to evaluate the FA's. To sit there and do nothing because of that fear is how losers think.

You seem more concerned about the owners profits than winning. Very odd.
 
wolves82 said:
The others have already said it, but if your plan is to hope that all of our 2024 prospects click like they did in 2023, that is crazy. Very unlikely.

You sit there and worry about "what if we pick the wrong FA guys?" Well, then we need new people to evaluate the FA's. To sit there and do nothing because of that fear is how losers think.

You seem more concerned about the owners profits than winning. Very odd.
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Not to mention the Reds will assuredly be sued by the MLBPA if they don’t spend in FA.

As I stated earlier, they can spend on a couple of pitchers and still reduce payroll but be able to stay out of hot water with the Union all the while fielding a competitive team to start the season.
 
14Red said:
I'm sure they will do what they need to do. I feel the Reds are committed to winning. Long term building the right way, not a shotgun wedding.
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Would you say the Astros are committed to winning? I would. 7 straight years in the ALCS. How did they do it?

  1. They tore down even further than the Reds, to nothing, losing 100+ games for a few years in a row.
  2. They had the prospects show up and be really good: Altuve, Bregman, Correa, Springer. Later on Tucker, Pena and Alvarez came through their system to maintain the excellence.
  3. Then, when the time to win was upon them, they added Free Agents like Verlander, Grienke, Michael Brantley, Gerritt Cole and Jose Abreu to help their young core win.
This is how you do it. Reds have made it to step #3. Will they take step #3?
 
wolves82 said:
Would you say the Astros are committed to winning? I would. 7 straight years in the ALCS. How did they do it?

  1. They tore down even further than the Reds, to nothing, losing 100+ games for a few years in a row.
  2. They had the prospects show up and be really good: Altuve, Bregman, Correa, Springer. Later on Tucker, Pena and Alvarez came through their system to maintain the excellence.
  3. Then, when the time to win was upon them, they added Free Agents like Verlander, Grienke, Michael Brantley, Gerritt Cole and Jose Abreu to help their young core win.
This is how you do it. Reds have made it to step #3. Will they take step #3?
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Notice how they spent money on proven pitching.
 
wolves82 said:
Would you say the Astros are committed to winning? I would. 7 straight years in the ALCS. How did they do it?

  1. They tore down even further than the Reds, to nothing, losing 100+ games for a few years in a row.
  2. They had the prospects show up and be really good: Altuve, Bregman, Correa, Springer. Later on Tucker, Pena and Alvarez came through their system to maintain the excellence.
  3. Then, when the time to win was upon them, they added Free Agents like Verlander, Grienke, Michael Brantley, Gerritt Cole and Jose Abreu to help their young core win.
This is how you do it. Reds have made it to step #3. Will they take step #3?
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I would caution using the Astros as a model only because the Astros can definitely sustain a much higher payroll than the Reds can.

The Tampa Bay model is more realistic.
 
wolves82 said:
The others have already said it, but if your plan is to hope that all of our 2024 prospects click like they did in 2023, that is crazy. Very unlikely.

You sit there and worry about "what if we pick the wrong FA guys?" Well, then we need new people to evaluate the FA's. To sit there and do nothing because of that fear is how losers think.

You seem more concerned about the owners profits than winning. Very odd.
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If you're not concerned about the finances, you better go follow another team. This team isn't going to overspend.
 
14Red said:
If you're not concerned about the finances, you better go follow another team. This team isn't going to overspend.
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Why are you being stupid?

This team could spend $35M in FA and still reduce payroll by more than $20M.

How is that overspending?
 
AEW Champion said:
The funniest part of this “overspending” talk is that 14Red was the only one defending paying Mike Minor $10M and acquiring guys like Pham, Strickland, Solano, etc. ahead of 2022 when the team was clearly tanking.
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The Reds are in a unique situation int hat they were only looking for guys they could get on one or two year deals. Now they may be able to extend that somewhat now. Pham, Solano, Strickland were rent a players, there was no intention of them being around more than a year. Fraley may be that guy now.
 
AEW Champion said:
The funniest part of this “overspending” talk is that 14Red was the only one defending paying Mike Minor $10M and acquiring guys like Pham, Strickland, Solano, etc. ahead of 2022 when the team was clearly tanking.
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Yeah, and he stupidly wanted the Reds to spend $100M+ just to show they were trying when they clearly wanted to tank.

Now he thinks a $60M payroll is overspending.
 
14Red said:
The Reds are in a unique situation int hat they were only looking for guys they could get on one or two year deals. Now they may be able to extend that somewhat now. Pham, Solano, Strickland were rent a players, there was no intention of them being around more than a year. Fraley may be that guy now.
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Who cares?

The Reds were attempting to tank.

You applauded them for "attempting" to win.

Every intelligent fan knew they were trying to tank and they should have saved that payroll for a warchest when they were competitive again.

You weren't one of those fans.
 
Indiandad said:
Who cares?

The Reds were attempting to tank.

You applauded them for "attempting" to win.

Every intelligent fan knew they were trying to tank and they should have saved that payroll for a warchest when they were competitive again.

You weren't one of those fans.
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Good heavens stop with the tanking crap. They were trying to win with the guys they had. You do realize that on any given team there are guys on that team who is auditioning for their jobs on a weekly basis.
 
14Red said:
Ok, let's go buy some players! I just hope it's the right ones!
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Only a fool would actually claim and then double down on the claim, that spending so little money that the MLBPA would consider suing the team for intentionally keeping salary low and concerns about unfairly being non-competitive for the players currently on the roster would count as "overspending".

They would probably also claim that signing draft picks as equally as certain a payoff as signing proven free agents.
 
14Red said:
Good heavens stop with the tanking crap. They were trying to win with the guys they had. You do realize that on any given team there are guys on that team who is auditioning for their jobs on a weekly basis.
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The funny thing is that you don't realize "tanking" was the right call given their situation. They would have had full coffers this season to spend at the trade deadline.
 
14Red said:
Good heavens stop with the tanking crap. They were trying to win with the guys they had.
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No they weren’t. :ROFLMAO:

They had given up or lost over that past year: Trevor Bauer, Anthony DeSclafani, Raisel Iglesias, Archie Bradley, Michael Lorenzen, Sonny Gray, Jesse Winker, Eugenio Suarez, Mychal Givens and Nick Castellanos. Under no circumstances were they attempting to win.
 
AEW Champion said:
No they weren’t. :ROFLMAO:

They had given up or lost over that past year: Trevor Bauer, Anthony DeSclafani, Raisel Iglesias, Archie Bradley, Michael Lorenzen, Sonny Gray, Jesse Winker, Eugenio Suarez, Mychal Givens and Nick Castellanos. Under no circumstances were they attempting to win.
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They were winning with those guys???? So what the difference other than paying employees alot more to have the same outcome??? They didn't give up, they moved those guys for other young prospects and draft choices, and thus far they are knocking it out of the park!
 
14Red said:
They were winning with those guys???? So what the difference other than paying employees alot more to have the same outcome??? They didn't give up, they moved those guys for other young prospects and draft choices, and thus far they are knocking it out of the park!
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Does being in the playoffs count as winning? Because yes, they did that.
 
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