Indeed they didn’t want to pay $6 million for Farmer.The non-tender deadline is Friday, so it’ll be interesting to see who else gets the boot, if anyone. The main name to watch is Kyle Farmer. Will they want to pay around $6 million for a 32-year-old who’s best use is as a utility guy against LH pitchers? Maybe Solak is a cheaper replacement for Farmer?
I don’t think that’s it for Barrero, but he’s going to be on a very short leash if he looks like crap in spring training and early in the season.Reds trade Daura Moreta to the Pirates for SS Kevin Newman. The Jose Barrero experience is over.
Funny thing is if the "fans" on Reds Twitter ran the team, We'd have a $200 million dollar payroll and not be much better. Our fans "like" players and it just shoots up the value. Some fans find it tough to separate emotion.Indeed they didn’t want to pay $6 million for Farmer.
Instead they’ll pay around half of that for former Pirate Kevin Newman (who they traded Dauri Moreta for tonight), as well as probably the league min for Nick Solak.
And the Twins pitcher maybe develops into a useful reliever, who knows?
All in all, this is fine. Newman can play SS if Barrero continues to suck or maybe 3B and then cede the way as soon as the big prospects are ready to play.
It was funny to see half of Reds Twitter melt down, though.
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There are assuredly people who want a huge payroll — and who could blame them?Funny thing is if the "fans" on Reds Twitter ran the team, We'd have a $200 million dollar payroll and not be much better. Our fans "like" players and it just shoots up the value. Some fans find it tough to separate emotion.
They’ve got the coaches and Votto and India and Stephenson for that. I want more players that can knock the ball out of the park.I don’t know Bellinger but bringing Winker back and expecting him to be a positive influence on the younger players would be a mistake. Certainly nowhere near that type of individual the first time around. They just traded the individual that would fill that spot.
Winker? Whiner!They’ve got the coaches and Votto and India and Stephenson for that. I want more players that can knock the ball out of the park.
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Newman is 29, has 4+ years in the bigs and an OPS around .660. Only a moronic front office would bring him in as the starter at SS over a talented prospect like Barrero (age 24) who MIGHT become an big time player. Newman will be a utility player, unless of course the Reds are morons, which is a distinct possibility.Reds trade Daura Moreta to the Pirates for SS Kevin Newman. The Jose Barrero experience is over.
LOL. If Krall and his dopes were the ones spending the $200 million, you may be right. We'd have a bunch of Moustakas, Pham, Strickland and Minor guys on the roster.Funny thing is if the "fans" on Reds Twitter ran the team, We'd have a $200 million dollar payroll and not be much better.
I'm going to guess you didn't see the last two months of this season. I don't ever see Barrero becoming a big time player. He REALLY struggled at the plate even making contact. I really feel the Reds are done with him. He's simply not a major league caliber player. I'd have to see a huge spring training to even keep him on the 26 man roster.Newman is 29, has 4+ years in the bigs and an OPS around .660. Only a moronic front office would bring him in as the starter at SS over a talented prospect like Barrero (age 24) who MIGHT become an big time player. Newman will be a utility player, unless of course the Reds are morons, which is a distinct possibility.
We are losing 95-105 again this year, we need to find out if the young guys can make progress. Barrero needs 500 plate appearances this year.
I saw his stats and some of his AB's, although not many since the team was unwatchable. Yes, he was mostly awful. However, you look at his size, speed, power and athleticism. He is 24 with potential. Baseball is hard and the MLB level can take some time to figure it out.I'm going to guess you didn't see the last two months of this season. I don't ever see Barrero becoming a big time player. He REALLY struggled at the plate even making contact. I really feel the Reds are done with him. He's simply not a major league caliber player. I'd have to see a huge spring training to even keep him on the 26 man roster.
I think you're automatically canning the 2023 season. I do feel the Reds are going to TRY to win, now not by going out and spending $150 mill in FA's like you want, but by putting a solid lineup on the field. Look at the Guardians everyday lineup last season, not much punch in that lineup. We need guys that get on base and move runners. I think our starting pitching can be really good. The bullpen...well, that's another story but I think they are going to try to address bullpen needs as well.I saw his stats and some of his AB's, although not many since the team was unwatchable. Yes, he was mostly awful. However, you look at his size, speed, power and athleticism. He is 24 with potential. Baseball is hard and the MLB level can take some time to figure it out.
Why would a team that is obviously rebuilding, and probably losing 100 games, give his ABs to a guy who will be 30 when the season starts? A 30 year old who has a 4 year track record of being below average? The answer is stupidity.
It sounds like that is your choice? Taking the 30 year old who might get you from 65 wins to 68 in 2023? Or do you want to try to find something great for the future? Jeez. You really might be qualified to work in the Reds front office with that mentality.
PS. That was not a compliment.
Got it. You give up on the talented kid with 280 career ABs chopped up over 3 partial seasons. You like the "proven" guy with 1500+ ABs with barely .300 OBP and .660 OPS. He's proven he is mediocre, and that's good enough for you.I think you're automatically canning the 2023 season. I do feel the Reds are going to TRY to win, now not by going out and spending $150 mill in FA's like you want, but by putting a solid lineup on the field. Look at the Guardians everyday lineup last season, not much punch in that lineup. We need guys that get on base and move runners. I think our starting pitching can be really good. The bullpen...well, that's another story but I think they are going to try to address bullpen needs as well.
All I'm saying is even though Barrero is 24, I just don't think he's ever going to be a regular major leaguer. No shade, alot of guys get up there and can't hit, he wouldn't be the first. Newman isn't an all star, but he's been a major leaguer for 5 seasons, he's proven he belongs.
1. The Guardians were a pretty mediocre offense. Something like 15th in runs, 16th in OPS. That’s not exactly aiming high to want to be their offense or emulate their results. I want a better offense than that, frankly.I think you're automatically canning the 2023 season. I do feel the Reds are going to TRY to win, now not by going out and spending $150 mill in FA's like you want, but by putting a solid lineup on the field. Look at the Guardians everyday lineup last season, not much punch in that lineup. We need guys that get on base and move runners. I think our starting pitching can be really good. The bullpen...well, that's another story but I think they are going to try to address bullpen needs as well.
All I'm saying is even though Barrero is 24, I just don't think he's ever going to be a regular major leaguer. No shade, alot of guys get up there and can't hit, he wouldn't be the first. Newman isn't an all star, but he's been a major leaguer for 5 seasons, he's proven he belongs.
The Guardians hit the lottery with a couple of their young guys, Kwan especially. But they were kind of a throw back in that they had very little punch in their lineup outside of Jose Ramirez, who may be the best player no one knows about. The Reds do not have that player.1. The Guardians were a pretty mediocre offense. Something like 15th in runs, 16th in OPS. That’s not exactly aiming high to want to be their offense or emulate their results. I want a better offense than that, frankly.
2. I think the starting pitching is a major question mark. We think Lodolo and Greene will be really good if they stay healthy, but are they ready to get through a full season’s workload? And what about the rest of the staff? Ashcraft was hot for awhile but wasn’t good at the tail end of the year coming off an injury. His low strikeout rate (6.1 per 9 IP) bears watching, and his ERA was a not-good 4.89. Then you’ve got either Justin Dunn, Luis Cessa, Connor Overton or Brandon Williamson occupying the 4 and 5 spots. All of them are question marks, and I feel confident saying you’re not gaining an advantage over the league in the long run if Cessa or Overton are part of the rotation. The Reds really need to sign a #3-caliber veteran starting pitcher to avoid the attrition that destroyed the rotation last year.
3. Don’t hold your breath that the Reds will make any concerted effort to fix the bullpen. It’s much more likely Krall says, “Sims, Antone and Santillan are coming back. We’ll be fine.” Problem is, can Sims stay healthy? What is Antone going to look like since he was likely a sticky-stuff merchant?
4. I’d rather have Barrero play every day at least until the All-Star break to give him a real chance to find himself at the major league level. Starting Kevin Newman over him would be a total waste of time.
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You may be right. Maybe Barrero never figures it out. Maybe there is only a 25% chance he listens to coaching and figures it out. That is still 25% more than the chance that a mediocre re-tread like Newman is a big part of the future success.The Guardians hit the lottery with a couple of their young guys, Kwan especially. But they were kind of a throw back in that they had very little punch in their lineup outside of Jose Ramirez, who may be the best player no one knows about. The Reds do not have that player.
Yes, the Reds have alot of gaps and holes going into 2023 and let's just hope that somehow, we can stay healthy and see what guys can do. Some of our best bullpen guys didn't pitch last season. You are correct, Greene and Lodolo will be on innings limits.
Bullpens are the easiest to fix, now can the Reds pick the right guys to sign, who knows? Reliever markets have gone up as we see that's a big, big part of baseball now.
I just don't see a reason to keep running Barrero out there everyday. He simply can't hit major league pitching. The real telling thing for me was there was little to no adjustments by him. He never seems to try to avoid striking out. He's got a long swing and guys with a good slider just eat him alive. Up and in fastball, down and away slider and he's cooked.
Newman would only be a one year deal, I'd project that one of our 6-7 shortstops would be ready to go by 2024. Newman can also be an infield floater. Lord knows we have a ton of those guys.You may be right. Maybe Barrero never figures it out. Maybe there is only a 25% chance he listens to coaching and figures it out. That is still 25% more than the chance that a mediocre re-tread like Newman is a big part of the future success.
Thanks for making my point for me. Yes, Newman would be a one year deal, so why waste ABs in a rebuilding/losing season on someone who is not part of the future plan?Newman would only be a one year deal, I'd project that one of our 6-7 shortstops would be ready to go by 2024. Newman can also be an infield floater. Lord knows we have a ton of those guys.
That doesn't make your point. It's not wasting AB's. We are trying to win games, that's why you play. Votto's not part of the future plan, you think he's getting released? He'll be in the #3 hole daily all season.Thanks for making my point for me. Yes, Newman would be a one year deal, so why waste ABs in a rebuilding/losing season on someone who is not part of the future plan?
Glad we agree.
The organization is not trying to win in 2023. Nearly every action they’ve taken tells you that. Of course the players are trying to win, but as we saw this season, they are currently severely outmanned.We are trying to win games, that's why you play.
My opinion, I think they are trying to win more than you think. BUT! But in keeping with the ultimate plan of not overspending on talent. Kevin Newman is a solid major leaguer who'll give you a solid performance day by day. Newman's not an all star, but he's not Alejo Lopez and Alex Blandino.The organization is not trying to win in 2023. Nearly every action they’ve taken tells you that. Of course the players are trying to win, but as we saw this season, they are currently severely outmanned.
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He's also not Kyle Farmer.My opinion, I think they are trying to win more than you think. BUT! But in keeping with the ultimate plan of not overspending on talent. Kevin Newman is a solid major leaguer who'll give you a solid performance day by day. Newman's not an all star, but he's not Alejo Lopez and Alex Blandino.
It's a great event put on by the Reds organization. It will be will attended.Reds still stink!! Be absolutely hilarious if nobody shows up for Reds Fest!!
Actually, he kind of is...He's also not Kyle Farmer.
The organizaion's OVERALL goal is to build a competitive team that can compete year in and year out within the organization's budget. We talk about this on here all the time, The Reds can't be the Phillies and pay their best players all 5-6 year deals for over $100 million AND groom players for the future. Now it worked for them this past season - kind of - remember they barely made the newly expanded playoffs.14Red, serious question so we all get a baseline on what your opinion of the Reds trying to win next year…what do you think the organization’t goal is? .500, playoff contention at trade deadline, make the playoffs or any other outcome you can think of?