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Can't help it, he's soooo good. And Graham Ashcraft may create a nice one-two combo with him.You told us to not predict the future for Greene. Then you did so twice within the same minute.
Can't help it, he's soooo good. And Graham Ashcraft may create a nice one-two combo with him.You told us to not predict the future for Greene. Then you did so twice within the same minute.
It’s definitely going to be Stephenson. He and Willson Contreras are clearly the top two NL catchers.I see some info came out on all star voting today...so who's going to be the Reds representative? I can't imagine they'll have two. Some candidates...
Brandon Drury - leads the team in home runs, hits, home runs, slugging and OPS.
Tyler Stephenson - being a catcher may help, not sure what other NL catchers are having great seasons. Stephenson his hitting over .300, 2nd in RBI, leads the team in slugging and OBP.
Kyle Farmer - unlikely, but he's had a pretty good season.
Alexis Diaz - up until his last outing, he was having a GREAT season. However, only 25 innings.
At this point I'd have to say Brandon Drury would be my pick.
I would agree it is most likely Stephenson, and good for him.It’s definitely going to be Stephenson. He and Willson Contreras are clearly the top two NL catchers.
Drury has no shot being slotted in at 3B on the ballot, meaning he’s behind Machado, Arenado and Riley.
Farmer is unlikely, since Trea Turner and Francisco Lindor would pretty clearly be ahead of him. And I think Dansby Swanson would get the nod over Farmer if they take a 3rd shortstop … to the champs go the spoils.
Alexis Diaz would probably only get a nod if Stephenson gets hurt. The Reds definitely feel like a one-All-Star team due to their poor record and injuries to guys who maybe could have been candidates (India in particular).
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I'd bet a pile of money that the Reds only get one all star.It’s definitely going to be Stephenson. He and Willson Contreras are clearly the top two NL catchers.
Drury has no shot being slotted in at 3B on the ballot, meaning he’s behind Machado, Arenado and Riley.
Farmer is unlikely, since Trea Turner and Francisco Lindor would pretty clearly be ahead of him. And I think Dansby Swanson would get the nod over Farmer if they take a 3rd shortstop … to the champs go the spoils.
Alexis Diaz would probably only get a nod if Stephenson gets hurt. The Reds definitely feel like a one-All-Star team due to their poor record and injuries to guys who maybe could have been candidates (India in particular).
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Absolutely. I’ve been beating the drum for Stephenson to move to 1B and DH to platoon those spots with Votto. Stephenson is a long-term center-of-the-lineup guy, and Krall and Bell are getting his hind end beat up behind the plate in a lost season. I don’t care that Stephenson likes to catch or that a good offensive catcher is a leg up at that position. Keep a prime asset healthy for the future so he can continue to develop into an elite hitter!Stephenson out at least 4-6 weeks with a fractured thumb on his throwing hand. If you’re looking at him being a piece of the offense in the future they need to find him a new position. The problem is there’s a huge drop off in production behind him at the Catcher position
I have explained this before.I'm not even mad. I mean Tony Santillan isn't a closer. We try and try to just fit guys into the closers role. The Dbacks are terrible, and they have Ian Kennedy as their closer. All I heard from Reds fans when we had Chapman and Iglesias is why spend money on a closer when you aren't good. Because, you HAVE to win the games when you are leading at the end!!!! Absolute gut punch today. The difference between a 2-2 series, some momentum going to St. Louis. Now you have an awful loss. Stephenson is injured and who knows how badly.
I don't really understand your math. To me, an high end closer is worth it. I want to win the games we are in control of late. We currently have one guy in our bullpen who's even close to being a closer, and that's Diaz. But Bell likes to use him in "high leverage" situations. Seems like to him this means starting the 7th inning. Not sure why that's high leverage unless you're in the middle or top of the opponents lineup.I have explained this before.
The facts:
- The Reds have limited resources for player salaries, need to spend wisely
- The Reds projected to be .500 at very best this year, and probably 10 games under
- High-end closers like Chapman and Iglesias cost over $10M per year
- High-end closers like Chapman and Iglesias save about 93% of their opportunities (50 save chances yield 46 saves)
- Average closers save about 84% of their opportunities (50 save chances yield 42 saves)
You want to spend $10M+ for a great closer to get 4 extra wins, when the team is projected to win maybe 75 games? I know it hurts your feelings when games get blown like that, but it just isn't worth it.
Even a dipsh__t like Krall can see this. So he spends the $10M on Minor instead. Genius.
The math simply says that a great closer will win you 4-5 more games each year than an average closer. To a team like the Reds, the $10M needs to be spent on a player that can make a bigger difference.I don't really understand your math. To me, an high end closer is worth it. I want to win the games we are in control of late. We currently have one guy in our bullpen who's even close to being a closer, and that's Diaz. But Bell likes to use him in "high leverage" situations. Seems like to him this means starting the 7th inning. Not sure why that's high leverage unless you're in the middle or top of the opponents lineup.
Anyway, yes, it stings. I'd much rather spent $10 mill on a high end closer than Minor.
The math simply says that a great closer will win you 4-5 more games each year than an average closer. To a team like the Reds, the $10M needs to be spent on a player that can make a bigger difference.
So just in the last week, the high end closer probably wins us 2 games. How's that math working now?The math simply says that a great closer will win you 4-5 more games each year than an average closer. To a team like the Reds, the $10M needs to be spent on a player that can make a bigger difference.
I get your point, share your pain, and yeah, the Reds bullpen is garbage. But spending $10M+ to be 23-37 instead of 21-39 isn't the answer.So just in the last week, the high end closer probably wins us 2 games. How's that math working now?
An “average closer” doesn’t blow 50% of his save opportunities like Art Warren does. As long as Bell is managing, no point in spending on a closer.So just in the last week, the high end closer probably wins us 2 games. How's that math working now?
I am not a David Bell fan, but I can't even dump on him with the Reds bullpen. He's literally shooting at moving targets with our bullpen guys. We'll have a guy have one or two good outings then blow up. Even Diaz has had his moments.An “average closer” doesn’t blow 50% of his save opportunities like Art Warren does. As long as Bell is managing, no point in spending on a closer.
I'll answer in the most certain of terms...it depends. Now I'm not signing Drury to a 5-6 year deal worth 80 million. In 2019 with Toronto, he made 1.9 mill, in 2020, $2 million. I don't think he's going to be looking for a gigantic deal. I'd offer him a one year deal at $3-4 mill with a club option for a second year. If he continues to perform, then you can make him that utility guy in his 30's when it's time to win.I started seeing some chatter on Twitter from Reds fans thinking the Reds should hold onto Brandon Drury and re-sign him. I think that would be a mistake. They need to trade him soon and get whatever they can for him. He’s 29 years old and a free agent at season’s end. He’s probably already at the peak of what he’s going to be able to give the team. Plus he shouldn’t be taking away playing time from the future: India, Barrero, and McLain and De La Cruz in the future. Why pay a premium for a guy with a patchy history of results who likely projects to be a utility guy in his 30s by the time you’re ready to compete?
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