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Thought some of you boys might like this....

originally posted by SLCDad on 8-01-2007

I don't want to get into this debate so I'll just offer my opinion.

It's goofy to put StX #1 in the pre-season poll. Only ONE human poll had StX in the top 25 last year and even the best PrepNation could rank them was #7 in the mid-west.

It's a huge stretch to move StX all the way to #1 because there are plenty of teams that have lots of returning talent and were better last year.

I think giving any team credit for strength of schedule is bogus until the games are actually played. How can you give a team credit for winning games that haven't happened yet? That's silly.

I believe the #1 team should be Miami Northwestern. They won the 6A Florida title last year. They have 15 starters returning PLUS they got a transfer who is one of the best players in Florida. They have THREE players in the national top 100. (That is unheard of.) I'd be surprised if StX even has one player in the national top 100. Yes, MNW lost their coach, BUT they hired a coach who has won two state titles in recent years including one at MNW.

I'm a SLC fan. I also believe SLC has a strong case. They have 8 starters returning on one of the best offenses in the nation. The only guys they lost are two OL guys and one WR. SLC won the national title in 2006 with only 6 starters returning (only 1 on offense). SLC's 79-1 record in five years (also playing a VERY tough schedule) speaks for itself. SLC has been the top dynasty on the nation over the last five years combined so I think they deserve the benefit of the doubt in the polls. They have earned it.

That's how I see it.

Having said all of this, pre-season rankings don't mean much because the season will take care of itself. Unfortunately, the human polls have a "don't drop unless you lose" mentality so being ranked high in the pre-season is an advantage.
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Yeah But

Oh so what. The dang drama club at SLC is still gonna be the first to do the Phantom of the Opera. Ive been telling people on here since last year this team was done and they were going down. They aint comin back Yes I did enjoy reading your post. I got a chuckle out of reading the part about MNW. Its like he was building them up because he knew what was coming. Some of the homers down here dont like old "Woody" callin em like he sees em, right down the middle. I have no problem puttin X number 1 after this year with the schedule, injuries, etc.
 
I agree with SLC Dad on this one. The issue he was discussing was DOES ST.X deserve the preseason #1 ranking.

I do not think
ST. X did anything from the season before to earn a presean #1 ranking for 2007 -MNW and SLC both did.
 
RidgePride said:
I agree with SLC Dad on this one. The issue he was discussing was DOES ST.X deserve the preseason #1 ranking.

I do not think
ST. X did anything from the season before to earn a presean #1 ranking for 2007 -MNW and SLC both did.
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we dont however see the whining we had 8 sophomores in their third game and they are inexperienced, all the excuses after SLC lost

he talks about the offense and certainly tre newton went backwards this year and as for the unmentioined defense, well that is texas for you
 
PorkopolisPigskin said:
Thought some of you boys might like this....

originally posted by SLCDad on 8-01-2007
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StX was NOT deserving of the #1 preseason ranking. They didn't earn it.

I stand by EVERY WORD that I posted. I'd post the same thing again.

My post was EXACTLY RIGHT.

ALL OF THE HUMAN POLLSTERS STILL AGREE WITH ME EXCEPT ONE.

If MNW loses then (and only then) is StX deserving of the #1 ranking.
 
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By the way, thanks for the thread. You PROVED that my post from four months ago was correct.

I posted that MNW should be the #1 team in the pre-season polls. Almost EVERY pollster agrees with me and has agreed with me all season.
 
I think SLCDad hit the nail on the head on every one of his points.

St. X did absolutely nothing to deserve the Pre-season #1. Even suggesting that is ignorant. Now that the season has come to pass St. X definitely has a legit argument. But I would still keep MNW as #1.
 
coletrain06 said:
I think SLCDad hit the nail on the head on every one of his points.

St. X did absolutely nothing to deserve the Pre-season #1. Even suggesting that is ignorant. Now that the season has come to pass St. X definitely has a legit argument. But I would still keep MNW as #1.
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I tend to agree here. There are plenty pf things to pile on all of us about, but I just don't see it here. I was thinking about revivig some other threads.

Maybe the one, where he and others went ape crap when people suggested the secondary might be in trouble after watching the 7-7 team.


This one? Not so much.
 
coletrain06 said:
I think SLCDad hit the nail on the head on every one of his points.

St. X did absolutely nothing to deserve the Pre-season #1. Even suggesting that is ignorant. Now that the season has come to pass St. X definitely has a legit argument. But I would still keep MNW as #1.
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As I was pointing out in the pre-season, what teams DID deserve a pre-season national #1? You could make decent arguments for or against several teams.

X had lost twice the year before, but was returning an extremely talented class to face the toughest schedule (generally cosidered by a long shot) amongst the possible contenders.

DLS had lost the year before and didn't really a have a schedule with a Frazier to their Ali. The team was generallly thought to be not up to the standards of great DLS teams.

SLC had an almost entirely new defense.

MNW appeared to have talent galore, but Florida 6A has generally not impressed national pollsters much since it isn't considered the state's best classification.

Others like South Panola are from smaller states, which makes it more difficult for them to convince...


As regards the rankings right now, you can argue either way for X or MNW. Both are very, very talented. MNW seems to get the nod on more apparent marquis recruits. Most believe X to have faced a markedly tougher road. For MNW, the SLC win was a big boost. SLC's loss, oddly, seems to get swept under the rug.

The fact is that MNW is in the top spot in most polls and most polls are loath to displace #1s unless they lose. PrepNation (Jamie DeMoney) is perhaps the biggest exception here. His arguments for keeping MNW at #1 are not strong right now based on his criteria....
 
coletrain06 said:
I think SLCDad hit the nail on the head on every one of his points.

St. X did absolutely nothing to deserve the Pre-season #1. Even suggesting that is ignorant. Now that the season has come to pass St. X definitely has a legit argument. But I would still keep MNW as #1.
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I agree. StX could make a solid argument today since they have now proved on the field how good they are. However, crowning them #1 before a single game was played was premature since they lost twice in 2006.

If MNW falters, then StX should be the unanimous #1 since they went 15-0 against one of the toughest schedules in the nation. If MNW wins out, they should be #1 because they've won out two years in a row AND they have one of the most athletically gifted teams in the country.
 
pied said:
Maybe the one, where he and others went ape crap when people suggested the secondary might be in trouble after watching the 7-7 team.
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Are you saying we should put tons of weight on the results of the 7 on 7 tournament? I'll take that debate any day.
 
SLCDad said:
Are you saying we should put tons of weight on the results of the 7 on 7 tournament? I'll take that debate any day.
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Nope, not at all. I do think that you can pick up on things, like players in the secondary not being as good as past players and things like that.
 
SLCDad said:
I agree. StX could make a solid argument today since they have now proved on the field how good they are. However, crowning them #1 before a single game was played was premature since they lost twice in 2006.

If MNW falters, then StX should be the unanimous #1 since they went 15-0 against one of the toughest schedules in the nation. If MNW wins out, they should be #1 because they've won out two years in a row AND they have one of the most athletically gifted teams in the country.
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X is no slouch athletically. And when you consider that X established itself as a nationally-recognized power WITHOUT much recognized talent, the amount of talent they have this year should be a HUGE plus for them.

That said, I agree that MNW is considered one of, if not the most talented team around in terms of top ranked recruits.


As far as winning out two years running (and it appears MNW will), I think this is way overblown. Whether you agree with the Beef O'Brady Florida polls or not, if they are even remotely accurate, MNW has not played a Florida team in the state top ten in the last two years. This year their top opponent was #18 so far. Florida 4A is considered notably stronger this year and 6A was the 2nd or 3rd best classification last year. Winning Florida 6A is not the big deal winning Ohio D1 or Texas 5A is..... MNW doesn't even play the best competition locally in Dade.
 
concha said:
As far as winning out two years running (and it appears MNW will), I think this is way overblown.
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I'm surprised you say this coming from StX who gets this benefit a lot of the time.

My view is that if you are talking about preseason polls (which this thread is about) winning in prior years is more important. Consistent winning shows the strength of the program which is an important indicator in preseason polls. Success breeds success.

Plus, if a team won out last year AND they have most of the same players coming back it's a pretty good indicator of how good the team will be next year. MNW fit that description in the preseason.
 
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