Teays Valley to join Ohio Capital Conference in ‘24

Sad to see Teays leave the MSL. It has became a great rivalry game for Hamilton. Kids & communities cared about that game - really the only game where Hamilton players personally knew the opposing players. Hope they can schedule a non league matchup. Maybe week 1?!
 
Sad to see Teays leave the MSL. It has became a great rivalry game for Hamilton. Kids & communities cared about that game - really the only game where Hamilton players personally knew the opposing players. Hope they can schedule a non league matchup. Maybe week 1?!
If I recall correctly, in an article they mentioned that Teays will keep some MSL rivals on their non-league. I would expect HT to be one of those, imo. That is always a great game between two very close knit communities. I too would hate to see that game go away, but I doubt it will. It'll just be in weeks 1-3 now.
 
In Pickerington's case I have always understood that is has more to do with trying to cut community venom between the two school-communities. That, but also having them in separate divisions does more to 'equalize' the schools than a situation where School A could be consistently finishing first in all sports and School B is finishing middle of the pack or last.

I also thought it was so that Pick Central and Pick North could get more conference championships. I had figured the venom would have dissipated by now. When Davidson and Darby first met in football and basketball, it seemed a lot more 'tense' than it does now. The rivalry is definitely there, but IMHO, it feels a lot more "clean" than it first did.
 
I also thought it was so that Pick Central and Pick North could get more conference championships. I had figured the venom would have dissipated by now. When Davidson and Darby first met in football and basketball, it seemed a lot more 'tense' than it does now. The rivalry is definitely there, but IMHO, it feels a lot more "clean" than it first did.
Hey, BG - good to hear from you again. I thought the Darby-Davidson rivalry cooled off a bit once Bradley opened - at least from the Darby kids point of view.
 
Hey, BG - good to hear from you again. I thought the Darby-Davidson rivalry cooled off a bit once Bradley opened - at least from the Darby kids point of view.

Yeah... That was the other thing that I was going to cite. Opening Bradley changed the dynamic of the existing Darby-Davidson rivalry. Like I said, it is still a BIG game (Davidson's biggest is still Coffman), but the 'edge' that was there during the pre-Bradley years, doesn't seem to be there now.
 
MSL-CARDINAL
Millersport
Fisher Catholic
Fairfield Christian
Worthington Christian
Grove City Christian
Rosecrans
Miller

MSL-BUCKEYE
Liberty Union
Amanda C-C
Circleville
Logan Elm
Fairfield Union
Harvest Prep

MSL-OHIO
Cols. Academy
Bishop Ready
Bexley
Buckeye Valley
Grandview Heights
KIPP???

LCL swipes up Whitehall, Bloom Carroll, Berne Union, Hamilton Township

LCL Conferences look like this now

LCL BUCKEYE
Licking Heights
Watkins Memorial
Whitehall
Bloom Carroll
Granville
Licking Valley
Zanesville
Hamilton Township

LCL-CARDINAL
Newark Catholic
Heath
Berne Union
Johnstown
Northridge
Utica
Lakewood

Long trip from Utica to Berne Union, but maybe it works....

How crazy, stupid would this be
 
I also thought it was so that Pick Central and Pick North could get more conference championships. I had figured the venom would have dissipated by now. When Davidson and Darby first met in football and basketball, it seemed a lot more 'tense' than it does now. The rivalry is definitely there, but IMHO, it feels a lot more "clean" than it first did.
It may have dissipated (somewhat) by now as a result of them not playing as frequently by virtue of not being in the same division, which has been the case for ~2-3 years?

That said, it always could flare back up.
 
It may have dissipated (somewhat) by now as a result of them not playing as frequently by virtue of not being in the same division, which has been the case for ~2-3 years?

That said, it always could flare back up.

OK... I was just assuming it was the same dynamic as Hilliard or Dublin or wherever. Maybe 3 schools vs. 2 schools makes a difference.
 
MSL-CARDINAL
Millersport
Fisher Catholic
Fairfield Christian
Worthington Christian
Grove City Christian
Rosecrans
Miller

MSL-BUCKEYE
Liberty Union
Amanda C-C
Circleville
Logan Elm
Fairfield Union
Harvest Prep

MSL-OHIO
Cols. Academy
Bishop Ready
Bexley
Buckeye Valley
Grandview Heights
KIPP???

LCL swipes up Whitehall, Bloom Carroll, Berne Union, Hamilton Township

LCL Conferences look like this now

LCL BUCKEYE
Licking Heights
Watkins Memorial
Whitehall
Bloom Carroll
Granville
Licking Valley
Zanesville
Hamilton Township

LCL-CARDINAL
Newark Catholic
Heath
Berne Union
Johnstown
Northridge
Utica
Lakewood

Long trip from Utica to Berne Union, but maybe it works....

How crazy, stupid would this be
Another school, that BU already plays, would have to join BU in the trek to Licking County. No way would the Rocketmen go at it alone!

I don't know if the LCL will raid the MSL, or not. Possibility? Perhaps.
  • HT would make the most sense to join the LCL of the four you listed.
  • Whitehall is semi-plausible.
  • BC checks a lot of boxes, but I don't necessarily see them leaving the Buckeye for the time-being. 10-15 years from now? Yes.
I doubt the MSL-Cardinal survives beyond '25-26, in any case.
 
If I recall correctly, in an article they mentioned that Teays will keep some MSL rivals on their non-league. I would expect HT to be one of those, imo. That is always a great game between two very close knit communities. I too would hate to see that game go away, but I doubt it will. It'll just be in weeks 1-3 now.
I don't see Teays keeping HT in football. I would think Circleville and Logan Elm would be the primary targets. Perhaps other sports would be possible.
 
The TV School Board approved the move to the OCC unanimously on 11/15. Additionally, they also formed an indoor track team, which isn't OHSAA sponsored.
 
I don't see Teays keeping HT in football. I would think Circleville and Logan Elm would be the primary targets. Perhaps other sports would be possible.
It would be in the better interest of Teays to play HT instead of 'either those two. At least, where those two programs are currently at.
 
Fisher Catholic, then?
Every couple years, we have these fun and interesting discussions about conference realignment within Central Ohio (particularly on this side of I-71.) Part of it is motivated by the communal water cooler talk on the online forum (something I participate in, because I enjoy) but it's also a combination of what we sometimes hear rumblings on and the general reading of the tea-leaves.

This time around, it's... interesting. It's interesting because you look at the general state of high school athletics writ large (talk about attendance, statewide and locally; participation numbers; quality of play; the overall atmosphere of intercommunity clashes and how that may have gone by the wayside) with the personal interpretation of how that landscape looks like and where your school-community falls within it. When it gets talked about online, you have all sorts of different actors posting. No one nefarious, but just a vastly diverse swarm of perspectives... differences in age, coaching/administrative experience, private/public school background with the related variable of school size.

With me (and many others), it does carry a degree of "it's personal, it's important." I'm aware that it's not the 90's, and it's not the 00's. That said, just because we're not in the 90's/00's doesn't mean you can't have the same aspirations as those times. Doesn't mean you can't have the same wants as then. Especially when you consider that part of what drove the good times of the 90's/00's wasn't just community aspirations but also the realization that achieving those heights was a direct reflection of meeting the needs -- if not the 'fiduciary obligation' (if indeed high standards, high performance however possible was directly responsive to the tuition checks parents are writing) of your school and school-community both short term and long term.

Paraphrasing the public comments someone made about the Cardinal elsewhere, recently: "I know for BU and FC it's been hard to see the Cardinal take the hits that it has in recent years, including the departure of NC, Grandview and LU." Yup.

I just want the best for my people, man.
 
I don't see Teays keeping HT in football. I would think Circleville and Logan Elm would be the primary targets. Perhaps other sports would be possible.
Really don't see Teays keeping CV and LE on the schedule. Nor do I see them wanting to play us in football at least. HT would be great! We are already picking up Watkins. Would also like to see other natural geographic rivalries grow like with the Southwest City Schools. We already play them in most sports. That area of our district is growing like crazy so it would be nice to see the, "other side of the river" get some love with the non league schedule since the division kind of favors the east.

Glad to see the "Pickerington will dominate" posts die down a little. They are a perennial state championship contender and since they have won something like 18 of the last 20 division crowns, they would likely dominate most conferences or divisions of conferences in the state!

Funny story... My son is a freshman at Teays. When I told him he was going to play Pick Central his senior year he immediately went to the weight room! See... already improving kids!!!
 
Logan might have to Throw in dinner at Millstone BBQ and offer a free nights stay at one of the Hocking hills cabins to keep the refs happy
Actually this will probably help the OCC with their pool of refs. There will be some Southeast officials that jump at the chance to get to do OCC games. I am not saying it will improve the quality of officiating just give the OCC more of pool to pick from. I would garner to say that if you are an official from Washington CH you would be willing drive to Teays Valley to officiated a game or 2, the same for being from Athens and go to Logan to do a game or 2. Gets exposure for the official.
 
I don't see Teays keeping HT in football. I would think Circleville and Logan Elm would be the primary targets. Perhaps other sports would be possible.
I would have to disagree. TV should have zero reason, or interest in scheduling D4 schools in their non-league when they start OCC play. They're a fringe D1 school in the making, and those two schools provide almost zero playoff points for them. Teays will need to schedule up if they'd like a chance at the post season. I see they're adding Watkins, which helps much more than Cville or Logan Elm. If you look at their division, for the first couple of years, it'll be rough for them. You need to realistically look at their division and see who they can compete against and beat. This is just MY opinion.

Lancaster - NO
Newark - YES
Pick Central - LOL NO
Groveport - NO
Canal Winchester - NO
Logan - YES
Reynoldsburg - NO

That's 2-5 in league play. Say they add Circleville and Logan Elm, and lets say they win those games. They're now at 4-5, with wins over teams that will most likely be winless or 1-2 win teams.

Then lets say they schedule up and play another OCC school for competition. I'l say they lose that as well. 4-6 with wins over two bad D4 schools, a really bad D1 school and a bad D2 school. No playoffs for them.

Now, things change if they schedule 2-3 decent D2/D3 teams and up that'll carry wins. Say they schedule and beat HT (who will carry lots of points), beat Watkins or a school like Franklin Heights... Finish 5-5. They have MUCH better chances to slip into the playoffs. Starting off they aren't going to win very much in the OCC. They have had basically zero success playing schools their size. No offense, Stebbins was a bad team and they beat TV in the playoffs. If Teays can't beat teams like that, then wins in the OCC will be at a premium until they catch up and they'll need to schedule teams that carry points, not small rural county schools they used to play. I know Teays considers them rivals, but neither Circleville or Logan Elm view Teays as such anymore. Only Teays considers them rivals. Go watch Circleville and Logan Elm play one another and see that atmosphere, then watch Teays play each individually. No comparison, even when the two teams are bad. It's time for them to move on to something more mutual and beneficial to them. They'll find good quality opponents and develop a good rivalry. Tons of schools will be interested in competing with them!
 
I would have to disagree. TV should have zero reason, or interest in scheduling D4 schools in their non-league when they start OCC play. They're a fringe D1 school in the making, and those two schools provide almost zero playoff points for them. Teays will need to schedule up if they'd like a chance at the post season. I see they're adding Watkins, which helps much more than Cville or Logan Elm. If you look at their division, for the first couple of years, it'll be rough for them. You need to realistically look at their division and see who they can compete against and beat. This is just MY opinion.

Lancaster - NO
Newark - YES
Pick Central - LOL NO
Groveport - NO
Canal Winchester - NO
Logan - YES
Reynoldsburg - NO

That's 2-5 in league play. Say they add Circleville and Logan Elm, and lets say they win those games. They're now at 4-5, with wins over teams that will most likely be winless or 1-2 win teams.

Then lets say they schedule up and play another OCC school for competition. I'l say they lose that as well. 4-6 with wins over two bad D4 schools, a really bad D1 school and a bad D2 school. No playoffs for them.

Now, things change if they schedule 2-3 decent D2/D3 teams and up that'll carry wins. Say they schedule and beat HT (who will carry lots of points), beat Watkins or a school like Franklin Heights... Finish 5-5. They have MUCH better chances to slip into the playoffs. Starting off they aren't going to win very much in the OCC. They have had basically zero success playing schools their size. No offense, Stebbins was a bad team and they beat TV in the playoffs. If Teays can't beat teams like that, then wins in the OCC will be at a premium until they catch up and they'll need to schedule teams that carry points, not small rural county schools they used to play. I know Teays considers them rivals, but neither Circleville or Logan Elm view Teays as such anymore. Only Teays considers them rivals. Go watch Circleville and Logan Elm play one another and see that atmosphere, then watch Teays play each individually. No comparison, even when the two teams are bad. It's time for them to move on to something more mutual and beneficial to them. They'll find good quality opponents and develop a good rivalry. Tons of schools will be interested in competing with them!
In general I agree with what you're saying. Where I disagree is the D4 statement, and yes this is me being pedantic: they could play Bloom.

I'm serious.

BC would be a good bridge game for them in the future. Decently natural "rivalry." Win over BC, Harbin cow goes "mooo." And BC will still be competent with the House of Bartholomew when TV is in those transitioning years of the OCC. More upside to playing them than the OCC tomato cans in Franklin Heights, Westland etc.

Completely correct that CV and LE bring them no advantage. HT would be useful in non-league. Watkins... serviceable, but I personally think BC is more useful to the cause than WM.

Harvest Prep could also work, LOL. No BS. Easiest, nearest, simplest glance of the Winton Woods machine (albeit smaller) is off Gender/Shannon in SE Franklin County. Good for points, too.
 
Dock, didn't know I hit some kind of nerve with the Fishers, they are a good respectable school, just think that LCL would welcome FC & BU with open arms if they applied, thats all.
 
Actually this will probably help the OCC with their pool of refs. There will be some Southeast officials that jump at the chance to get to do OCC games. I am not saying it will improve the quality of officiating just give the OCC more of pool to pick from. I would garner to say that if you are an official from Washington CH you would be willing drive to Teays Valley to officiated a game or 2, the same for being from Athens and go to Logan to do a game or 2. Gets exposure for the official.
I know we talk about officiating shortages on Yappi frequently, but I will say that the OCC doesn’t need a bigger pool of officials. It’s arguably the most desirable conference in Ohio for officials.

Trust me, if you live north of 270 and the assigner sends you a game at Teays or Logan and you want to stay in his good graces, you will accept the assignment without complaint. ;)
 
Actually this will probably help the OCC with their pool of refs. There will be some Southeast officials that jump at the chance to get to do OCC games. I am not saying it will improve the quality of officiating just give the OCC more of pool to pick from. I would garner to say that if you are an official from Washington CH you would be willing drive to Teays Valley to officiated a game or 2, the same for being from Athens and go to Logan to do a game or 2. Gets exposure for the official.

I know for one of Lancaster’s non-conference home games this year they had an officiating crew come up from Marietta to do the game. Plenty of crews willing to travel from down that way from what they told me when I was chatting with them before the game started
 
Teays Valley has a very nice facility was able to attend the Granville game their and heard they built a large facility right behind the football field. Someone said it was for basketball courts, weight room, and indoor track.
 
Teays Valley has a very nice facility was able to attend the Granville game their and heard they built a large facility right behind the football field. Someone said it was for basketball courts, weight room, and indoor track.
It also is going to have more bathrooms, I’m told.
 
3 Basketball/ Volleyball courts, indoor track, weight room, year round batting cages, cheerleading area, golf simulator, training room, locker rooms, space for future medical clinic, and yes... more bathrooms.
 
I would have to disagree. TV should have zero reason, or interest in scheduling D4 schools in their non-league when they start OCC play. They're a fringe D1 school in the making, and those two schools provide almost zero playoff points for them. Teays will need to schedule up if they'd like a chance at the post season. I see they're adding Watkins, which helps much more than Cville or Logan Elm. If you look at their division, for the first couple of years, it'll be rough for them. You need to realistically look at their division and see who they can compete against and beat. This is just MY opinion.

Lancaster - NO
Newark - YES
Pick Central - LOL NO
Groveport - NO
Canal Winchester - NO
Logan - YES
Reynoldsburg - NO

That's 2-5 in league play. Say they add Circleville and Logan Elm, and lets say they win those games. They're now at 4-5, with wins over teams that will most likely be winless or 1-2 win teams.

Then lets say they schedule up and play another OCC school for competition. I'l say they lose that as well. 4-6 with wins over two bad D4 schools, a really bad D1 school and a bad D2 school. No playoffs for them.

Now, things change if they schedule 2-3 decent D2/D3 teams and up that'll carry wins. Say they schedule and beat HT (who will carry lots of points), beat Watkins or a school like Franklin Heights... Finish 5-5. They have MUCH better chances to slip into the playoffs. Starting off they aren't going to win very much in the OCC. They have had basically zero success playing schools their size. No offense, Stebbins was a bad team and they beat TV in the playoffs. If Teays can't beat teams like that, then wins in the OCC will be at a premium until they catch up and they'll need to schedule teams that carry points, not small rural county schools they used to play. I know Teays considers them rivals, but neither Circleville or Logan Elm view Teays as such anymore. Only Teays considers them rivals. Go watch Circleville and Logan Elm play one another and see that atmosphere, then watch Teays play each individually. No comparison, even when the two teams are bad. It's time for them to move on to something more mutual and beneficial to them. They'll find good quality opponents and develop a good rivalry. Tons of schools will be interested in competing with them!
Worrying about divisions in football is almost pointless now that 16 teams make the playoffs. Have a winning record, you're basically in. They will play plenty of D1/D2 opponents that scheduling lower division opponents wouldn't make a difference even if division size mattered. Sure, TV is not as big of rivals, but there is a strong sense to continue the intra-County format at the administrative levels of the schools. They'll probably play each other for 8-10 years and then drift apart and TV will be more interested in the Grove City area (where in my mind is the growing natural rivalry).
 
In general I agree with what you're saying. Where I disagree is the D4 statement, and yes this is me being pedantic: they could play Bloom.

I'm serious.

BC would be a good bridge game for them in the future. Decently natural "rivalry." Win over BC, Harbin cow goes "mooo." And BC will still be competent with the House of Bartholomew when TV is in those transitioning years of the OCC. More upside to playing them than the OCC tomato cans in Franklin Heights, Westland etc.

Completely correct that CV and LE bring them no advantage. HT would be useful in non-league. Watkins... serviceable, but I personally think BC is more useful to the cause than WM.

Harvest Prep could also work, LOL. No BS. Easiest, nearest, simplest glance of the Winton Woods machine (albeit smaller) is off Gender/Shannon in SE Franklin County. Good for points, too.
I don't think Bloom will be on the radar. CW and BC were great rivals then when CW went to the OCC... poof. I think TV will have plenty of natural rivalries with schools like Groveport and CW. Plus, throw in a few other non-divisional OCC schools.
 
CARDINAL Schools: yes we would prefer to not have Wellington added to make a 9 team conference. please respect our wishes

REST OF THE MSL: screw you!
 
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