BuckSweep
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Who would have guessed the 3 smallest schools in the SWBL don’t want even bigger schools!
SWBL 2025
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dograt
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You blame MU, but the big schools are to blame. For years Dixie and Preble asked to do something about the crossovers. Dixie vs Valley View was not helping anyone. the big schools brushed it off every year it was brought up. So Dixie and Preble found a new home.
At that point Milton saw the direction the league was going...south. No fans in the SWBL came up to MU. The league travels well, as long as the games stay on the south side of Dayton. So adding teams even further south wasn't going to help.
If the big schools would've agreed to cut out a crossover game, the league would still look like it did 10 years ago. But they liked that extra game a year that they had the advantage over a smaller school.
BBfan61
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I mean this was no world-beater schedule Dixie played in their last 5 seasons. VV in 16 and 17.
| Opponent | Played |
| Brookville | 4 |
| Valley View | 2 |
| Waynesville | 5 |
| Northridge | 5 |
| Preble | 5 |
| Madison | 5 |
| Milton | 5 |
| Carlise | 5 |
| Eaton | 3 |
Bless Em All
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Valley View, Milton, Brookville, Eaton, Waynesville weren’t hard?
At the end of the day, Milton isn’t coming back to the SWBL.
big medicine
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Being that this is a week one game, and depending on how many first time starters are taking the field may have some bearing on the score of this game. If this was a late season or playoff game I would feel some what more assured of the results.“Marion is not like any team they’ve ever played”C’mon man! That is laughable. In the last 5 years Bellbrook has played and beaten teams like Trotwood, Wapak, Badin, Alter, Tipp, London, Valley View and St. Mary’s. How many state championships and final four appearances does that group have in D3, and D4?
Now you're probably thinking how is that different than for any other team or season ? Well if Coach Goodwin and his staff are operating as usual they will have their players coached up and prepared for any possible game situations. I linked a interview Goodwin did week 10 last year that gives a little insight to Marion's coaching philosophy. I like what I hear about coach Jenkins, but he is going against a lot of experience here. Coach Goodwin has I think, a play off record of 101 - 12 with 15 state championships. Think about that a minute, more state championships than total play off loses.
Again this is a week 1 game and there generally is some differences between a week 1 game played in August and that same team playing week 16 in December, which has been the normal season at Marion Local.
footballsalads43
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I have no idea who's coming back for most teams, but If I had to do a way too early preseason poll, I would go:
BIG
1. Bellbrook
2. Edgewood
3. Franklin
4. Ross
5. Monroe
SMALL
1. Valley View
2. Brookville
3.Waynesville
4. Eaton
5. Carlisle
6. Oakwood
7. Madison
I may be totally wrong, but this is just my best guess.
Bless Em All
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You really think the way most schools think before they face off with that machine. Wapak, St Mary’s, Alter, have faced MAC schools including Marion Local and found out.“Marion is not like any team they’ve ever played”
Fried Bacon
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What I’m about to say in no way takes away Marion Locals success or is supposed to make it seem less impressive. However Marion is playing in D6 and D7 in the playoffs. The competition they are facing in the playoffs is nowhere near the level of competition Bellbrook has had to face in Regions 11 and 12. Yes Marion Local is probably the best program in the state. But Jeff Jenkins in his 9 years at Bellbrook has gone 80-22 with 2 regional finals appearances. Now on the surface, yeah that doesn’t look nearly as impressive as Marion Local. But Marion Local is doing their damage 4 divisions lower than Bellbrook. To insinuate that Jeff Jenkins isn’t able to prepare his team like Tim Goodwin is able to is conjecture, and not objectively true in any way.
Stirred not Shaken
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Hopefully this game takes place, and neither team/school cancels. It is hard to project 2 years out what either team has or if either HC will still be there my guess is yes, but you never know. In 27 is the game at Bellbrook or at ML? Kudos to Bellbrook for scheduling a D6/D7 school.
Edit: Also, kudos to Marion Local or scheduling a very good D3 opponent.
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footballsalads43
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Marion Local is a well coached and very tough small school powerhouse, and they have had great success and that shouldn't be undermined. But, if Bellbrook keeps performing at the level they have the past 2 seasons, Marion Local isn't going to just come out on to the field and just run Bellbrook off the field. It will be two tough and hard fought games. Bellbrook isn't just going to lay down and let Marion local blow them out for two years, they will be competitive and give the Flyers everything they got.
I will be excited to see these games played!
I will be excited to see these games played!
big medicine
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As I stated earlier, I like what I've heard about coach Jenkins. What I may have insinuated is that a 26 year veteran head coach may have a bit of an experience edge over a 9 year guy.
But just out of curiosity I checked out Goodwin's first 9 seasons. Looks like his team went 100 - 24, made the playoffs 8 out of 9 years ( in fact 2004 appears to be the only non playoff year in his run ). With 4 state championships and 1 runner up. Granted this was mostly against the pee wee divisions, but to the best of my calculation 10 of those games were against the eventual state champion that year.
Bless Em All
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Have you Bellbrook fans actually watched the Flyers in person? They are the best high school team I’ve seen in my 50 years of watching hs football. I’ve seen a bunch of great teams and very few measure up to Marion Local. This isn’t your typical D6-7 school. I’ve played against and watched Bellbrook since 1974 and the latest version of the Eagles is good but most of what I see is numbers vs skill. Look at what happened to Valley View when they faced off with the MAC.
Bellbrook struggled with Milton the last time they played.
All I’m saying is to be confident is one thing but to be arrogant is another. I don’t care who BB has played, they will pale in comparing to Marion Local. This is a program that won its title game 78-0.
I’m sure the BB coaching staff is well aware of what they face. This isnt throwing shade at BB but giving credit to Marion Local. They could compete in any division. They field a team over 80 players deep.
Bellbrook struggled with Milton the last time they played.
All I’m saying is to be confident is one thing but to be arrogant is another. I don’t care who BB has played, they will pale in comparing to Marion Local. This is a program that won its title game 78-0.
I’m sure the BB coaching staff is well aware of what they face. This isnt throwing shade at BB but giving credit to Marion Local. They could compete in any division. They field a team over 80 players deep.
BBfan61
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All of those were good programs, yes. But one is not like the rest now.
BBfan61
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I haven't seen any Bellbrook fans comment on this game yet. I imagine that BB with play very tough in these games, I wouldn't be dishearten by a good beating if it happens, ML is obviously a top tier program. I am just happy that BB is never afraid to schedule a tough game.
Also BB hasn't played MU since 2014, at the very tail end of the last regime, which had ran it's course.
Bless Em All
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Remember it well.
I would move Monroe above Franklin and Ross on the big side and move waynesville wayy down the list. They lose everyone and will be starting freshman. What does Eaton have coming back?
footballsalads43
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From what I can tell Eaton is losing a lot. They are losing their QB, WRs and a lot of OL. They seem to be returning some on defense.
Ross is in for a bit of a tough year after losing their QB who was Offensive player of the year. They do seem to be returning a good amount on defense however. Their defense was inconsistent last year. I think they will miss Severance.
Also, I hadn't realized how much Waynesville is losing. I think both Waynesville and Eaton could be a little bit further down the list.
sportsguy17
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How will Oakwood look next year?
They are returning QB, RB (coming off injury, not sure how serious it is), 3 of their top 4 recievers, Some decent players on Defense.
Year 2 of the new coach should be a turn around. They lost a couple of really good players. I know they got rid of the old coach beacuse he was not up to standards; wonder how long the AD will give Coach Lane.
Still a little confused with the hire beacause he kept 4 of the 6 coaches from the previous staff.
They are returning QB, RB (coming off injury, not sure how serious it is), 3 of their top 4 recievers, Some decent players on Defense.
Year 2 of the new coach should be a turn around. They lost a couple of really good players. I know they got rid of the old coach beacuse he was not up to standards; wonder how long the AD will give Coach Lane.
Still a little confused with the hire beacause he kept 4 of the 6 coaches from the previous staff.
BBfootball92
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False. Bellbrook has played some very good comp over the past years during deep playoff runs .
Bellbrook will be fine
BBfootball92
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When exactly did Milton play Bellbrook last ? Not sure it’s been since the Jenkins era? If so maybe once - twice at best in 9 years ?? Bellbrook isn’t close to the 500 team they were prior to Jenkins
With all due respect
BBfootball92
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I think speaking from a Bellbrook perspective, we get little do 0 respect for what we’ve accomplished over the last 9 years . Shoot I don’t even think the members of our league give us much respect , maybe the last 2 seasons we’ve finally started to garner some respect from our brothers but that’s it at best. We have beaten the breaks off of a lot of good programs , dropped 66 on CJ and trotwood in Jenkins 4th year of coaching , and since then it’s been a machine, no rebuilds just reloading in arguably one of the toughest Divisions in the state within arguably the toughest region in that division. Idk , that’s just my 2 cents . It’s been valley view and Bellbrook carrying the banner last in the playoffs several years and we kinda get overlooked as being apart of that.
Am I anxious for that ML game ? Absolutely, I mean they’re as tough as they come, not arguing that . Not saying we will win either , just give us a little respect , that’s all. We will come prepared and ready to play. We are a program at this point .
No less then 8 win regular seasons for 7 years , and 7-3 his first 2 years while he was turning around a program that was lost under basinger .
That’s it .
I respect alot
Of posters on here , especially you bless.
Am I anxious for that ML game ? Absolutely, I mean they’re as tough as they come, not arguing that . Not saying we will win either , just give us a little respect , that’s all. We will come prepared and ready to play. We are a program at this point .
No less then 8 win regular seasons for 7 years , and 7-3 his first 2 years while he was turning around a program that was lost under basinger .
That’s it .
I respect alot
Of posters on here , especially you bless.
BBfan61
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2014 with Base
footballsalads43
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2013, Bellbrook beat Milton 10-0
BBfootball92
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I am curious tho why Tipp - Bellbrook are ending this series it’s been a great. Both in region 12 this has been a great game that’s seen rematches in the postseason .
On the Big side its Bellbrook's to lose and will be until someone can knock them off. I do think Edgewood has the pieces to make a decent run at it this year even though some people are very critical of their lack of success in year 1 of a new coach and new system. Franklin is the wild card here because they bring back Childers and a good chunk of his old staff. I know they will be very well coached the question remains, will they have the athletes to pull it off. As far as the rest of the big side you can intermix the last 3.
On the Small side Valley View just keeps rebuilding year after year. King and his staff have done a great job of scheming and putting players in the right position to be successful. Also theirs to lose until someone knocks them off. Eaton is gonna struggle and so is Waynesville. I am curious as to what Brookville has because they gave VV all they can handle last year but missed field goals cost them.
Tipp's new superintendent went to Versailles.
Fried Bacon
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It’s because Bellbrook wanted to play Marion Local. Simple as that
BBfootball92
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Bump
Bless Em All
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I sure hope Bellbrook is able to give Marion Local a game. In think it will be competitive. Depends on who steps up for Marion. They just lost a deep and talented senior class. If any year, this is the year to beat them.