SWBL 2025

League Champs 2025 (click one for buckeye, one for southwest)


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I get that MU could end up in a bad situation if the TRC folds but how is that the SWBL's problem? MU chose to leave, I doubt the SWBL schools are scrambling trying to find a solution for MU.
I get this. But I feel Dayton Christian was only brought in to appease Carlisle and Madison. I'm not sure VV, Eaton, Oakwood and Brookville are really excited about them, adding a few more to make a big/middle/small instead of just big/small might have an appeal to some.
 
Does DC become the next Dixie? Bringing in Milton, East and even Covington dramatically increases the value in the small side. Milton was brought in back in 2001 to the SW side with the bigger schools. Brookville, Valley View and Milton have been in that position. Let’s look at the big side…
Monroe, Edgewood, Franklin, Talawanda, Bellbrook are all teams that Milton, Valley View and Brookville can consistently participate and complete with. Just my opinion.
 
Does DC become the next Dixie? Bringing in Milton, East and even Covington dramatically increases the value in the small side. Milton was brought in back in 2001 to the SW side with the bigger schools. Brookville, Valley View and Milton have been in that position. Let’s look at the big side…
Monroe, Edgewood, Franklin, Talawanda, Bellbrook are all teams that Milton, Valley View and Brookville can consistently participate and complete with. Just my opinion.
I agree. However , at this time and moment I think valley view is the only of the above mentioned competing with Bellbrook.
 
DC said that they have money to upgrade their facilities and put in a football stadium but I do not see that happening. They started the football season with 16 kids on the roster. I understand that football is their only "down" sport and the other sports will compete fine but it is hard to justify this move when they are just so bad at football it is like having Dixie back in the league, if not worse.
This is horrible 16 kids on the roster they cannot seriously be letting this happen. This is unreal.
 
All sounds great but again who cares what Carlilse and Madison have to say about who is in the league, they both had the chance to do something else. Those schools don't like being at the bottom of the list. Well carlisle has made some improvements to compete is it enough who knows. Kids are not bouncing around like they use too. DC doesn't fit with no more then 20 rostered. Definitely isn't helping the top half the small side. Oakwood doesn't fit in the small side either.
 
All sounds great but again who cares what Carlilse and Madison have to say about who is in the league, they both had the chance to do something else. Those schools don't like being at the bottom of the list. Well carlisle has made some improvements to compete is it enough who knows. Kids are not bouncing around like they use too. DC doesn't fit with no more then 20 rostered. Definitely isn't helping the top half the small side. Oakwood doesn't fit in the small side either.
I think it should be a 7/7 split.

Valley View- Big side football, small side all other sports

Oakwood- Small side football, big side all other sports

This split makes the most sense to me. Valley View would hold their own very well on the big side in football, and Oakwood already competes well with the bigger schools and they arent much smaller than them, they just struggle in football.

For football crossovers have the 1st place finish in the big side play the 1st place finish small side from the previous season. Then 2nd place big vs 2nd place small and so on and so forth till 7th big plays 7th small.
 
Adding DC was a bad move for the SWBL. I get Carlisle/Madison pushing for it but I also heard Waynesville was pushing hard for DC to be added. For whatever reason those 3 schools seem to want no part of crossover games. I know this is a football forum but you can't move schools from the small side to the big side because of 1 sport. If we are doing that then Waynesville should be big side in girls basketball, Carlisle in softball etc. If the TRC is struggling, I still bet Madison and Carlisle would jump at the chance to get out of the SWBL.
 
Adding DC was a bad move for the SWBL. I get Carlisle/Madison pushing for it but I also heard Waynesville was pushing hard for DC to be added. For whatever reason those 3 schools seem to want no part of crossover games. I know this is a football forum but you can't move schools from the small side to the big side because of 1 sport. If we are doing that then Waynesville should be big side in girls basketball, Carlisle in softball etc. If the TRC is struggling, I still bet Madison and Carlisle would jump at the chance to get out of the SWBL.
TRC didn't want those 2 schools a couple years ago is what I heard. Same with WOAC doesn't want them either. Waynesville doesn't make sense they have been pretty good all around.
 
TRC didn't want those 2 schools a couple years ago is what I heard. Same with WOAC doesn't want them either. Waynesville doesn't make sense they have been pretty good all around.
Correct TRC and WOAC both turned down Carlisle and Madison. Not sure if the TRC would consider either school now that Bethel left the conference.
 
Correct TRC and WOAC both turned down Carlisle and Madison. Not sure if the TRC would consider either school now that Bethel left the conference.
Too far south to be in the TRC. WOAC has Dixie, Prebble Shawnee, and Twin Valley South below 70 so that could maybe work for Carlisle. Madison is just too far south for most of these teams. Madison should look into Cinci Hills conference or Cinci Metro Conference(CMAC)
 
Adding DC was a bad move for the SWBL. I get Carlisle/Madison pushing for it but I also heard Waynesville was pushing hard for DC to be added. For whatever reason those 3 schools seem to want no part of crossover games. I know this is a football forum but you can't move schools from the small side to the big side because of 1 sport. If we are doing that then Waynesville should be big side in girls basketball, Carlisle in softball etc. If the TRC is struggling, I still bet Madison and Carlisle would jump at the chance to get out of the SWBL.
It will be happening in Northeast Ohio. The Suburban League will be evaluating some schools and switching their divisions on a sport by sport basis. I know some won't share my opinion, but I personally think it is a good idea. I understand the SWBL is being forced to do an 8 small/6 big split, but it should be a 7/7 split.
 
Too far south to be in the TRC. WOAC has Dixie, Prebble Shawnee, and Twin Valley South below 70 so that could maybe work for Carlisle. Madison is just too far south for most of these teams. Madison should look into Cinci Hills conference or Cinci Metro Conference(CMAC)
WOAC could take Covington and Carlisle and split into two divisions. Madison should look into the Miami Valley Conference with Norwood, North College Hill, New Miami, St. Bernard, Lockland, Clark M, CHCA, Purcell, Roger Bacon, MVCA and etc. Then SWBL could Bring in Miami East and Milton.
 
Don't leave twice then. I like MU a lot, but they did this to themselves.
Not really, you need to know the back story here. When MU left in 81 it was to increase competition which the SWBL didn’t offer MU. Milton was a Valley View back then. The problem was at that time Bellbrook, and other large schools now were d4. Milton was d3 almost D2.
This last time was that we had an issue with Dayton traffic and the way the league was headed.
 
Sounds like to me the only schools that are happy with the current situation are the ones that left and went to the WOAC. It's paid off for them. SWBL Carlisle and Madison, even Waynesville isn't happy. The other schools want more competition then DC. Then the TRC is falling apart.
 
Sounds like to me the only schools that are happy with the current situation are the ones that left and went to the WOAC. It's paid off for them. SWBL Carlisle and Madison, even Waynesville isn't happy. The other schools want more competition then DC. Then the TRC is falling apart.
I can't figure out Waynesville either. They are competitive across the board but yet want to bring in weaker teams. I would much rather have MU than DC. Looks like the SWBL made the DC decision a few months too soon!
 
Not really, you need to know the back story here. When MU left in 81 it was to increase competition which the SWBL didn’t offer MU. Milton was a Valley View back then. The problem was at that time Bellbrook, and other large schools now were d4. Milton was d3 almost D2.
This last time was that we had an issue with Dayton traffic and the way the league was headed.
MU and company leaving is what has led to the instability.
 
But again the word on the street is that TRC is dead in the water. Does the SWBL add more teams? Like the old GWOC. Do they go after the smaller teams and split the small side? Or do they leave it be for now. Sounds like its good to be SWBL at the moment
 
But again the word on the street is that TRC is dead in the water. Does the SWBL add more teams? Like the old GWOC. Do they go after the smaller teams and split the small side? Or do they leave it be for now. Sounds like its good to be SWBL at the moment
I think there will be a split over what to do with the small side. I can see Waynesville, Carlisle and Madison wanting to add smaller schools and split the small side. While VV, Eaton, Oakwood and Brookville are probably content with how things are (although I could see these 4 wanting to swap out DC for MU).
 
If Waynesville wants to play a bunch of uncompetitive small schools, the SBAAC National has a spot open! As an SBAAC fan, I think this would overall be a terrible move for both parties, but hey, it fills the league out and Waynesville gets what they supposedly want. So there is some positives I guess….
 
MU and company leaving is what has led to the instability.
Milton was tired of the travel through Dayton, period. They had the opportunity to join a league of local schools with little travel. It hasn’t worked out.
In 1974 Bellbrook joined the SWBL for similar reasons. Waynesville, Madison and Bellbrook are the furthest away for MU. SWBL has been through change many times before. It will survive.
 
Let DC join the TRC with their brother, Troy Christian. Invite other Christian schools to fill the vacancy left by Bethel, Milton, East and Northridge.
 
Bellbrook will be playing Marion Local in a home and home week 1 beginning in 2027! What a great matchup for both programs. Good on Bellbrook for taking that matchup
This is wonderful news! However, I assume this will be the end of the Tipp/Bellbrook series which is slightly disappionting as those have been great games.
 
This is wonderful news! However, I assume this will be the end of the Tipp/Bellbrook series which is slightly disappionting as those have been great games.
Yes, but Tipp has picked up Versailles, which is a game that used to be played all the time when both were in the same conference and will be a good matchup. Good on both programs for branching out and playing MAC programs.
 
Competitive and beating them are two different things. Marion is not like any team Bellbrook has ever played. Period. I do like your confidence though.
“Marion is not like any team they’ve ever played” 😂 C’mon man! That is laughable. In the last 5 years Bellbrook has played and beaten teams like Trotwood, Wapak, Badin, Alter, Tipp, London, Valley View and St. Mary’s. How many state championships and final four appearances does that group have in D3, and D4?
 
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