Summit County Football- 2025

We'll see if the Minnesota QB is better than the Hoban DB, Massillon TE/LB or West Virginia QB who have lined up behind center in recent years. If so, maybe the offense will open up a little.
 
akron1 said:
With that much D1 scholarship talent, that is a piss poor excuse.
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Well maybe if they would have developed their own quarterbacks instead of bringing in all these transfer quarterbacks they would have been much better off. All the quarterbacks that transferred out of Hoban have started and been much better than the quarterbacks that have transferred in to Hoban. Why?. Maybe it's the coaching, philosophy scheme Play calling etc.?
 
petepastromi said:
Well maybe if they would have developed their own quarterbacks instead of bringing in all these transfer quarterbacks they would have been much better off. All the quarterbacks that transferred out of Hoban have started and been much better than the quarterbacks that have transferred in to Hoban. Why?. Maybe it's the coaching, philosophy scheme Play calling etc.?
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I don't disagree with the play calling. It has been awful of late. DC and SH were great HS QB's but also had elite WR's that made plays. With all of the D1 talent they have accrued over the years, they have not had a decent receiver since 2019. The first 4 chips had elite receiver play to go with those great backs, Sibley, Dickerson and Traynum.
 
Cougarfan22 said:
I don't disagree with the play calling. It has been awful of late. DC and SH were great HS QB's but also had elite WR's that made plays. With all of the D1 talent they have accrued over the years, they have not had a decent receiver since 2019. The first 4 chips had elite receiver play to go with those great backs, Sibley, Dickerson and Traynum.
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I would concur with that. The last few years they have had some highly rated receivers but they haven't performed up to their rankin. For example , Peyton Cook,and Joe Johnson.Trent Boykin, and Elbert Hill played on both sides of the ball and were elite defensive backs but more gadget receivers on offense.
 
akron1 said:
With that much D1 scholarship talent, that is a piss poor excuse.
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It is coaching. Tyrrell is a fantastic program builder. But kind of blah when it comes to actually coaching. Teams with plus talent and great coaching can and have beaten them. The Walsh games this year is a prime example. Hoban barely did anything different in game 2 vs game 1. The difference in game 2 was the weather and 1 bad play by Moten. Otherwise, Walsh wins that game. Plus Walsh made some adjustments and Hoban really didn't counter. Not sure why - but the first place I look is the coaching staff. A good game to look back at is their game against Lake. I get it, Lake wasn't without talent. But despite having the best player on the field (Christopher from Lake has talent and intangibles that are rare - Ohio U is getting a steal), they shouldn't have been that competitive. But they schemed well and Hoban just played the same game they always do. And Avon just flat out took them to the woodshed. I'm not going to suggest that Avon didn't have talent either. They had like 6 D1 players themselves. But outside of Weatherspoon, I don't think any of them are going Power 4. But Hoban had no answers. And really didn't even seem like they were trying to come up with answers.

Another theory of mine is that the way the Hoban program is built prevents the team from having heart and chemistry. When you are a talent collector program, you often have a bunch of kids playing for themselves and their next stop, not for each other. Just a theory. But when you look back on that Avon game - that Hoban team just flat out quit.

I don't mean this to sound as harsh as it seems. I have a ton of respect for what Tyrrell has done there. The issues I'm bringing up about team heart/chemistry are difficult to remedy and not all in his control. General attitudes in society have changed to a more "me" centric way of thinking. Also, the collapse of CYO plays a HUGE part in this. You can't rely on St Mary's and St. Sebastian to be a feeder. Those schools don't even field their own team these days. So finding those non-star "program" kids to augment the high level talent is much tougher than you'd think. And I hate to go down this path, but vouchers could end up hurting more than helping. I'm not going to elaborate because it is too politically charged. But I will say that I support vouchers. But like anything else, there are potential unintended consequences.

Having said all that, I won't be shocked if Hoban wins it this year as I still consider them to be one of the favorites because talent always gives you a chance. But not THE favorite. I think Massillon will have something to say about that. And I'm sure a Cinci team like Anderson will be up there. Don't discount Walsh, although I'm in wait and see mode there. I think the Walsh fans are looking past the hole that Moten leaves behind. The new kid is more physically talented. But Moten had "it". Until the new kid shows he also has "it", I'm skeptical of their chances to win a state championship. And while I LOVE Avon and what they've accomplished, last season was a "one moment in time" perfect storm kind of thing. Generational. Don't get me wrong, they'll be really good, maybe great. But it is really hard to repeat. Especially when you are a closed enrollment public.
 
David Wooderson said:
It is coaching. Tyrrell is a fantastic program builder. But kind of blah when it comes to actually coaching. Teams with plus talent and great coaching can and have beaten them. The Walsh games this year is a prime example. Hoban barely did anything different in game 2 vs game 1. The difference in game 2 was the weather and 1 bad play by Moten. Otherwise, Walsh wins that game. Plus Walsh made some adjustments and Hoban really didn't counter. Not sure why - but the first place I look is the coaching staff. A good game to look back at is their game against Lake. I get it, Lake wasn't without talent. But despite having the best player on the field (Christopher from Lake has talent and intangibles that are rare - Ohio U is getting a steal), they shouldn't have been that competitive. But they schemed well and Hoban just played the same game they always do. And Avon just flat out took them to the woodshed. I'm not going to suggest that Avon didn't have talent either. They had like 6 D1 players themselves. But outside of Weatherspoon, I don't think any of them are going Power 4. But Hoban had no answers. And really didn't even seem like they were trying to come up with answers.

Another theory of mine is that the way the Hoban program is built prevents the team from having heart and chemistry. When you are a talent collector program, you often have a bunch of kids playing for themselves and their next stop, not for each other. Just a theory. But when you look back on that Avon game - that Hoban team just flat out quit.

I don't mean this to sound as harsh as it seems. I have a ton of respect for what Tyrrell has done there. The issues I'm bringing up about team heart/chemistry are difficult to remedy and not all in his control. General attitudes in society have changed to a more "me" centric way of thinking. Also, the collapse of CYO plays a HUGE part in this. You can't rely on St Mary's and St. Sebastian to be a feeder. Those schools don't even field their own team these days. So finding those non-star "program" kids to augment the high level talent is much tougher than you'd think. And I hate to go down this path, but vouchers could end up hurting more than helping. I'm not going to elaborate because it is too politically charged. But I will say that I support vouchers. But like anything else, there are potential unintended consequences.

Having said all that, I won't be shocked if Hoban wins it this year as I still consider them to be one of the favorites because talent always gives you a chance. But not THE favorite. I think Massillon will have something to say about that. And I'm sure a Cinci team like Anderson will be up there. Don't discount Walsh, although I'm in wait and see mode there. I think the Walsh fans are looking past the hole that Moten leaves behind. The new kid is more physically talented. But Moten had "it". Until the new kid shows he also has "it", I'm skeptical of their chances to win a state championship. And while I LOVE Avon and what they've accomplished, last season was a "one moment in time" perfect storm kind of thing. Generational. Don't get me wrong, they'll be really good, maybe great. But it is really hard to repeat. Especially when you are a closed enrollment public.
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Well said. The second paragraph is what I always thought. Hard to get team chemistry in a short period of time.
As for Walsh fans looking past the hole Moten leaves behind, I personally don't see it. Everyone I talk to has the same concern about the loss of Moten and new QB in 2025. I heard we have talent at QB, but we'll have to wait and see.
Hoban will always be competitive and a tough out come playoff time.
 
Gbulldog said:
Well said. The second paragraph is what I always thought. Hard to get team chemistry in a short period of time.
As for Walsh fans looking past the hole Moten leaves behind, I personally don't see it. Everyone I talk to has the same concern about the loss of Moten and new QB in 2025. I heard we have talent at QB, but we'll have to wait and see.
Hoban will always be competitive and a tough out come playoff time.
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I feel it is especially challenging now due to CYO being so down. I'd like to know what % of Walsh and Hoban's teams and starting line ups are made up of CYO players vs rec and public middle school players today vs 10 to 15 years ago. I bet it has declined a fair amount. Hoban was ahead of the curve on that one. Walsh was woefully behind. Walsh was still living in the 90's and 2000's and expecting the feeder schools to keep feeding them good players. When Tyrrell hit the scene at Hoban, he brought his Florida private school experience with him. He knew that in order to win, he had to collect talent and not rely on the feeder schools. Now part of that is that Hoban was already a bit more diverse in how they attracted students than Walsh was (and still is). The Hoban business model has always required them to spread their reach beyond traditional catholic school grade schoolers whereas Walsh had the luxury of being able to rely on that. And they got caught flatfooted when change hit. Fortunately, Alexander gets it. He hasn't veered too far away from tradition, but unlike Hoban, he doesn't have to. But I'm guessing that he is out there looking for more public schoolers than Walsh coaches did in the past and truly courting the good Catholic grade school athletes.

Beigie didn't understand how things were changing. He was the proverbial frog in boiling water. As CYO football was crumbling, he was just sitting back thinking that the kids would come to Walsh like they did in the past. He wasn't out there at many 8th grade games and he wasn't putting feelers out there for public school kids that were potential transfers into Walsh. That was a big part of his undoing. He did know who the good players were. But he just assumed they'd matriculate to Walsh and did very little to ensure that it happened. So not only was the quality of player coming in from a Catholic school background declining rapidly, he was missing out on the good ones because he wasn't paying them much attention.

That was the risk of hiring a "Walsh man". They view the world through a maroon and gold lens. Ignatius is finding this out the hard way too. Ryan Franzinger is an Iggy man through and through. But unfortunately, he doesn't understand their place today in the HS football landscape and how things have changed. He still thinks it is the Ignatius of old. There are other issues there as well, but his inability to understand that he can't do things the way Kyle did them is killing that program.

You did well by getting Alexander. He gets it and understands the world outside of Wyoga Lake Road.
 
David Wooderson said:
I feel it is especially challenging now due to CYO being so down. I'd like to know what % of Walsh and Hoban's teams and starting line ups are made up of CYO players vs rec and public middle school players today vs 10 to 15 years ago. I bet it has declined a fair amount. Hoban was ahead of the curve on that one. Walsh was woefully behind. Walsh was still living in the 90's and 2000's and expecting the feeder schools to keep feeding them good players. When Tyrrell hit the scene at Hoban, he brought his Florida private school experience with him. He knew that in order to win, he had to collect talent and not rely on the feeder schools. Now part of that is that Hoban was already a bit more diverse in how they attracted students than Walsh was (and still is). The Hoban business model has always required them to spread their reach beyond traditional catholic school grade schoolers whereas Walsh had the luxury of being able to rely on that. And they got caught flatfooted when change hit. Fortunately, Alexander gets it. He hasn't veered too far away from tradition, but unlike Hoban, he doesn't have to. But I'm guessing that he is out there looking for more public schoolers than Walsh coaches did in the past and truly courting the good Catholic grade school athletes.

Beigie didn't understand how things were changing. He was the proverbial frog in boiling water. As CYO football was crumbling, he was just sitting back thinking that the kids would come to Walsh like they did in the past. He wasn't out there at many 8th grade games and he wasn't putting feelers out there for public school kids that were potential transfers into Walsh. That was a big part of his undoing. He did know who the good players were. But he just assumed they'd matriculate to Walsh and did very little to ensure that it happened. So not only was the quality of player coming in from a Catholic school background declining rapidly, he was missing out on the good ones because he wasn't paying them much attention.

That was the risk of hiring a "Walsh man". They view the world through a maroon and gold lens. Ignatius is finding this out the hard way too. Ryan Franzinger is an Iggy man through and through. But unfortunately, he doesn't understand their place today in the HS football landscape and how things have changed. He still thinks it is the Ignatius of old. There are other issues there as well, but his inability to understand that he can't do things the way Kyle did them is killing that program.

You did well by getting Alexander. He gets it and understands the world outside of Wyoga Lake Road.
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I agree 100% with your assessment. You can add that once Walsh began accepting vouchers AND those vouchers extended to higher income families, it provided another boost to their program.
 
You guys both make great points. One interesting point is that many of the stars of last years team had close family ties to Walsh.
Moten- older sister went to Walsh
Aiden Henry- dad and older sister went to Walsh
Declan Norton- dad, older brother and sister went to Walsh
Colt Crosley- older sister went to Walsh
Kodey Kish- older brother went to Walsh
Dom and Cade Romanini- dads and older siblings went to Walsh

Knowing these families, these guys would have gone to Walsh regardless of vouchers and regardless of whether the football team was good.
 
William Blake said:
I agree 100% with your assessment. You can add that once Walsh began accepting vouchers AND those vouchers extended to higher income families, it provided another boost to their program.
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Yes. But even though I'm a proponent of vouchers, they are a double edged sword. Accepting vouchers puts them at risk of bringing in too many kids/families that aren't there for the overall Walsh/Catholic school experience. If I'm a Walsh supporter, I'd be a little nervous about the school culture changing. Something to keep an eye on. I'm not saying that they shouldn't accept vouchers. I'm saying they are going to have to be extra vigilant in ensuring that their culture, value and mission doesn't change as a result. Walsh need to make sure they are admitting kids that want to be at Walsh as opposed to kids that just go to Walsh because they don't want to be at their local public school. And that is very difficult to do.

Like any government program, vouchers may have a butterfly effect of things that happen that were not foreseen when the program was enacted.

But please don't jump on me - I'm not against vouchers. Just pointing out that there are risks associated with change and accepting vouchers is a change.
 
David Wooderson said:
Yes. But even though I'm a proponent of vouchers, they are a double edged sword. Accepting vouchers puts them at risk of bringing in too many kids/families that aren't there for the overall Walsh/Catholic school experience. If I'm a Walsh supporter, I'd be a little nervous about the school culture changing. Something to keep an eye on. I'm not saying that they shouldn't accept vouchers. I'm saying they are going to have to be extra vigilant in ensuring that their culture, value and mission doesn't change as a result. Walsh need to make sure they are admitting kids that want to be at Walsh as opposed to kids that just go to Walsh because they don't want to be at their local public school. And that is very difficult to do.

Like any government program, vouchers may have a butterfly effect of things that happen that were not foreseen when the program was enacted.

But please don't jump on me - I'm not against vouchers. Just pointing out that there are risks associated with change and accepting vouchers is a change.
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No worries. My point was that vouchers will allow those families that were once on the fence about going to a Hoban, STVM, CVCA previously because they did accept vouchers, now can be in a better financial situation choosing Walsh now that they accept them. And since it is a private school, they have the right to choose who they let in, so a culture buster is not going to happen unless the administration allows it.
 
David Wooderson said:
Yes. But even though I'm a proponent of vouchers, they are a double edged sword. Accepting vouchers puts them at risk of bringing in too many kids/families that aren't there for the overall Walsh/Catholic school experience. If I'm a Walsh supporter, I'd be a little nervous about the school culture changing. Something to keep an eye on. I'm not saying that they shouldn't accept vouchers. I'm saying they are going to have to be extra vigilant in ensuring that their culture, value and mission doesn't change as a result. Walsh need to make sure they are admitting kids that want to be at Walsh as opposed to kids that just go to Walsh because they don't want to be at their local public school. And that is very difficult to do.

Like any government program, vouchers may have a butterfly effect of things that happen that were not foreseen when the program was enacted.

But please don't jump on me - I'm not against vouchers. Just pointing out that there are risks associated with change and accepting vouchers is a change.
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Love it. Private school peeps getting nervous their schools will look more like a public school with this legislation.
 
smash mouth 34 said:
Love it. Private school peeps getting nervous their schools will look more like a public school with this legislation.
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I am not siding with either public or private schools. I have attended both. My feeling is public schools should not complain when they continue losing to private schools for the simple fact is they have had multiple chances through the years to have separate public/ private school playoffs. Petitions have been sent at least 3 different occasions and public schools unanimously voted to not separate in all 3 occasions. Also, I find it interesting that when a public school beats a private school you never hear a complaint. The minute they lose, oh they recruit it's not fair. Blah, blah, blah.
 
I think anyone who has been on here for a while knows that families will move to other states to find the right HS sports fit. We saw this with StV basketball years ago. It evolved to the point that we have many basketball factories popping up across the country that draw from every where. Those schools look and act more like a college than a HS.

These type of moves make base enrollment meaningless for divisional assignment.
 
Yappi said:
I think anyone who has been on here for a while knows that families will move to other states to find the right HS sports fit. We saw this with StV basketball years ago. It evolved to the point that we have many basketball factories popping up across the country that draw from every where. Those schools look and act more like a college than a HS.

These type of moves make base enrollment meaningless for divisional assignment.
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Yeah, that’s just wild to me.
 
pcbuck said:
Here's what Hoban has coming back for this upcoming season (Rankings are by 247sports)

'26 Elbert Hill CB (OH #4, USA #102)- USC commit
'26 Sam Greer OT (OH #7, USA #149)- OSU commit
'26 Payton Cook WR (OH #15)- Louisville commit
'26 Ace Brown ATH (OH #83)- Eastern Michigan commit
'26 Nick Kinsey QB (OH #91, #7 QB)- Eastern Michigan commit
'26 Antonio Williams S- 9 D1 offers including Ohio U, Toledo, BGSU, Buffalo
'26 Braylin Parker OL- 3 D1 offers including Miami OH, Kent St

'27 Brayton Feister LB/RB (OH #3, USA #124)- 19 D1 offers including Michigan, USC, Oregon
'27 Jance Henry RB- 16 D1 offers including NC, NC State, Mississippi, Wisconsin
'27 John Johnson WR- 6 D1 offers including Kentucky, Toledo, Miami OH
'27 Jaiden Daniels CB- 3 D1 offers including Kentucky and Ohio U

28 Brydon Feister LB- offers from Kentucky and Indiana
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Very curious, does anyone know if any of these kids are Akron kids?

With the demise of the old city series and decline in enrollment all around Akron I wonder if some of these are city kids or are these kids mostly from the suburbs?
 
Stow-Munroe Falls 2025 Preview


Top Returning Breakfast Joints: Tip Top, Stownut Donut, Dunkin, Garretts Mill Diner
Top Returning Lunch Joints: Swensons, Old Carolina BBQ (2 Way restaurant - Lunch and Dinner), Panera Bread
Top Return Mexican Places: El Camp, Pancho and Leftys, Casa Nueva Tacos, Spicy Sombrero, Taco Bell
Top Returning Bars: Wing Warehouse, The Basement, Stowaway Pub, Cellar 59 Wine Bar for the classy folk.

Rumored Transfers: Wayback Burger and Chick-Fil-A --- Look for these two rumored transfers to see see the playing field immediately and make a HUGE impact on both sides of the menu (Lunch and Dinner). Chick-Fil-A can make an impact with all three aspects of the game (Breakfast, Lunch and Dinner). The biggest drawback from adding Chick-Fil-A to the field is that you can only count on 6 good days of work, they will always be closed on Sundays.

Sweet Treats: Handles, Sweet Frog, Nothing Bundt Cakes, DQ, Stow Cone


Overall, Stow looks to add to the foundation of previous years success. Look for the transfers to make a huge impact if they can get them in game shape by the Fall. Competition in surrounding areas will always make it tough when there are places like Hudson with the "Square" nearby and downtown Kent offering a diverse menu and excellent food choices.
 
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