How many runners from those districts go to private schools instead of their local public school? I’m not familiar with a lot of successful private school CC programs from that area. I could do a similar exercise and take the runners from St. X and add them to their public school teams. The same was true years ago when LaSalle was dominant. A lot of “what if?”
State (Team) predictions, Division 1
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Mr. Slippery
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You're really going to tear me away from enjoying a bag of the most wonderful potato chips on the planet that are fried in a blend of lard, corn oil, canola oil, and soybean oil to figure all of this out?
Number of Boys state team titles by District (which District the school is currently in, some schools have switched Districts over the years. Examples include Marion Harding and Lancaster):
One Class Era/AA in 2 Class Era/AAA in 3 Class Era/DI:
Northeast: 51
Southwest: 27
Central: 9
Northwest: 8
AA in 3 Class Era/DII:
Northeast: 38
Northwest: 12
Southwest: 6
Central: 1
A in 2 and 3 Class Era/DIII:
Northeast: 24
Southwest: 11
East: 10
Northwest: 7
Central: 1
Number of Boys state team runner-ups by District (which District the school is currently in, some schools have switched Districts over the years):
One Class Era/AA in 2 Class Era/AAA in 3 Class Era/DI:
Northeast: 45
Southwest: 28
Central: 12
Northwest: 12
AA in 3 Class Era/DII:
Northeast: 29
Southwest: 14
Northwest: 10
Southeast: 2
Central: 1
East: 1
A in 2 Class and 3 Class Era/DIII:
Northeast: 27
Northwest: 13
Southwest: 6
Central: 4
East: 3
Southeast: 1
Number of Girls state team titles by District (which District the school is currently in, some schools have switched Districts over the years. Examples include Lancaster and Minerva):
AAA/DI:
Southwest: 18
Northeast: 11
Central: 9
Northwest: 7
A-AA/AA/DII:
Northeast: 28
Northwest: 10
Central: 3
Southwest: 3
East: 1
A/DIII:
Northwest: 20
Northeast: 4
Southwest: 4
East: 1
Number of Girls state team runner-ups by District (which District the school is currently in, some schools have switched Districts over the years. Examples include Lancaster and Minerva):
AAA/DI:
Southwest: 17
Northeast: 13
Central: 9
Northwest: 6
East: 1
A-AA/AA/DII:
Northeast: 15
Northwest: 10
Southwest: 10
Central: 6
East: 3
Southeast: 1
A/DIII:
Northwest: 17
Southwest: 6
Northeast: 4
Central: 1
East: 1
These numbers include ties from the Dark Ages before the rulebook enabled teams to "prevail."
What do I conclude from all of this? I was perfectly content just sitting back eating potato chips.
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The top five guys would all have been in Coffman's old attendance district. It's really too hard to know where the Jerome kids would be, particularly since Jerome is now the largest of the three high schools.
I want to make it clear again that it's a good thing we are not a one or two high school district. Way too many really good athletes would never have gotten to shine. The same thing holds true for Hilliard. Think about some of the Davidson and Darby boys teams in the 00s. I have been working the past couple of years go get a robotics team at each high school for much the same reason.
Back on the subject of the impact of school size on performance, Coach Rapp indicated he believed (and I think he is clearly correct) that this year's victory was because of the efforts of their 4-5-6 runners. They had the (really amazing when you think about it) depth to overcome their #1 runner not finishing and still win. Lancaster had one kid have a really rough day (he did finish) and that cost them the win. The twice as large school is just going to be more likely to have the depth to more runners capable of stepping up when someone isn't having a good day. Acknowledging that does not mean dismissing the accomplishments of Mason this year and over time. They have a fantastic program.
Lancermania
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This reinforces what I believe. The biggest factor is who the coach is, then comes the size of the school.
Lakota West has 2,564 students and guess how many times they qualified a girls team to the state meet. Listen up, people. Sean Hart, the Lakota West girls coach, claims this was the first, that's right the first team to make it to state with between 1250-1300 girls at the school.
psycho_dad
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Now I just feel sorry for the Southeast District. I also feel sorry for the East District. I feel bad for the Central. Don't feel real good for the Northwest. How are the poor people of the Southwest District so delusional? The NE is like a bully. Do a lot more people choose to live in the NE, or just better faster people? Are the coaches really twice as good as the next closest District? On a day like today, It makes me wonder if our votes should also count more in the NE than the rest of the state?
Mr. Slippery did the easy work. Now, the hard work of living with the facts can begin.
Mr. Slippery did the easy work. Now, the hard work of living with the facts can begin.
Lancermania
Lancers lead the way!
Let's not forget that Coach Howard did his own running in the Southwest at New Richmond. Is he in their Hall of Fame yet? If not, should I nominate him? Is Jeff the official head coach for girls at Woodridge also?
psycho_dad
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I believe his title is Denomination Supremo.
Supertramp
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But what have you done for me lately?
Since 1989 when they split into Divisions I, II, and III, the D1 Cincinnati District has been more successful than the entire D1 Northeast Region.
Podium Appearances:
Southwest: 33
Cincinnati: 27
Northeast: 18
Central: 11
Northwest: 6
State Championships:
Southwest: 17
Cincinnati: 14
Northeast: 11
Central: 4
Northwest: 2
State Runner-Up:
Southwest: 16
Cincinnati: 13
Northeast: 7
Central: 7
Northwest: 4
psycho_dad
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Such a D1 mentality. I do not choose to live my life so narrowminded. D2 and D3 are people too. Kinda.
Go back and look at the Mason girls podium pic. Straight up killers! I haven't seen thugs like that since CVCA girls last championship team. Are those slings from broken arms on a couple of those girls? enforcers? How on earth can those girls in the front row kneel like that without their knees screaming? Not natural. I count 8 medals! Did one of them just take one from someone?
Thank goodness for the armed policemen.
Lancermania
Lancers lead the way!
Who is Rich Ettinger?
CincyIllinifan
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My son ran for Coach Rapp at Mason several years ago. A few years after graduating HS, my son decided to run the Cincinnati Flying Pig Marathon for the first time. At around 20/21 miles, my son was really struggling. Mason High had set up refreshment tables at around the 21 mile mark, and when Coach Rapp noted my son’s struggles, he joined him on the course, and ran with him for the next mile, providing encouragement. My son finished the race, and has since ran several marathons, including Boston.
To this day, my son would absolutely run through a wall for Coach Rapp.