St. X. Basketball thread '23-'24

BullWhistle said:
Doesn't Waleskowski play golf too?
Let's get a Spring sport discussion going. Who's got a scouting report for baseball, lacrosse, track or volleyball??
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Looking at the spring sports rosters on the StX website I count the following football players
Baseball: 17 (5 varsity, 8 JV and 4 freshmen)
Lacrosse 11
Rugby 4
Volleyball 2
No rosters posted for Crew, Tennis and Track and Field

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ReLoad said:
Looking at the spring sports rosters on the StX website I count the following football players
Baseball: 17 (5 varsity, 8 JV and 4 freshmen)
Lacrosse 11
Rugby 4
Volleyball 2
No rosters posted for Crew, Tennis and Track and Field

stxsports.net

St. Xavier High School Athletics - Official Athletics Website

The official athletics website for the ST. XAVIER BOMBERS ATHLETICS
stxsports.net stxsports.net
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I may have to see my first lacrosse game ever, at any level
They lost in the state final last year to Dublin Jerome 12-10.
LB Max Bonner is now playing at Michigan on scholarship but most other top players are back and are football players
Vollmer, Folke, Violet, Guttman, Bennett, both Stegbauers, Lehman, Betz and Wojciehowski

Baseball teams are loaded with football players but I'm hearing it's very similar to the basketball team, where it's going to be football players playing baseball and that Jack Ryan who has pro draft potential is the only "pure" baseball player
 
The GCL way - take the best football players and throw them on rosters because they are "athletes" - it's not a strategy that leads to long-term and deep tournament runs. It will keep you relevant, but will rarely get you any hardware.

Moe is kicking the pants off the rest of the GCL with their talent in the big 3 sports. And it's because they have baseball players on their baseball team, basketball players on their basketball team, football players on their football team, soccer players on their soccer team, volleyball players on their volleyball team, and lacrosse players on their lacrosse team.

Probably a tough pill to swallow in this forum, but they are dynamite in pretty much every sport right now.
 
Doublehelix said:
The GCL way - take the best football players and throw them on rosters because they are "athletes" - it's not a strategy that leads to long-term and deep tournament runs. It will keep you relevant, but will rarely get you any hardware.

Moe is kicking the pants off the rest of the GCL with their talent in the big 3 sports. And it's because they have baseball players on their baseball team, basketball players on their basketball team, football players on their football team, soccer players on their soccer team, volleyball players on their volleyball team, and lacrosse players on their lacrosse team.

Probably a tough pill to swallow in this forum, but they are dynamite in pretty much every sport right now.
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Can't speak to the other sports, but I have a kid at X that plays Lax. And most of the "football" kids have also played lax for the same amount of time. I remember seeing Vollmer play as a youth at IH. He played with Scheer (who also plays soccer) and two guys on JV R. Dean (who also plays FB) and DJ Frazier that could play Varsity, but got caught up in a numbers game. They were dominant back then and continue to grow their lacrosse game. There aren't many that just play lacrosse, but the one that stands out is Khalif Hocker (OSU commit)
 
Doublehelix said:
The GCL way - take the best football players and throw them on rosters because they are "athletes" - it's not a strategy that leads to long-term and deep tournament runs. It will keep you relevant, but will rarely get you any hardware.

Moe is kicking the pants off the rest of the GCL with their talent in the big 3 sports. And it's because they have baseball players on their baseball team, basketball players on their basketball team, football players on their football team, soccer players on their soccer team, volleyball players on their volleyball team, and lacrosse players on their lacrosse team.

Probably a tough pill to swallow in this forum, but they are dynamite in pretty much every sport right now.
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On some levels there is definitely a difference in approach and focus between Moe vs St. X athletics. Think you can say the same is true for Elder and LaSalle, but all four schools have had success in the "big 3" sports over the past few decades. Their individual schools approach is what works for them and their student athletes.

All four schools have appeared or won a state title in the "big 3" sports in the past 20 or so years. Impressive, plus the list of state titles or appearances in sports like volleyball, swimming, lacrosse, soccer, etc is pretty extensive.
 
WhoDeyThink said:
On some levels there is definitely a difference in approach and focus between Moe vs St. X athletics. Think you can say the same is true for Elder and LaSalle, but all four schools have had success in the "big 3" sports over the past few decades. Their individual schools approach is what works for them and their student athletes.

All four schools have appeared or won a state title in the "big 3" sports in the past 20 or so years. Impressive, plus the list of state titles or appearances in sports like volleyball, swimming, lacrosse, soccer, etc is pretty extensive.
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I think the GCL feeder model had always allowed enough talent to where it didn't matter pre-open borders. The rest of the city talent was way more spread out over 50+ schools. Now that the best athletes are all concentrating to fewer and fewer schools, it now does matter. Their concentration of talent is catching up, and the GCL schools can't just rely on their best athletes in most sports.

Moe was at the forefront of making the switch to pursue some of those city-wide talents. They saw the writing on the wall and acted.
 
Doublehelix said:
I think the GCL feeder model had always allowed enough talent to where it didn't matter pre-open borders. The rest of the city talent was way more spread out over 50+ schools. Now that the best athletes are all concentrating to fewer and fewer schools, it now does matter. Their concentration of talent is catching up, and the GCL schools can't just rely on their best athletes in most sports.

Moe was at the forefront of making the switch to pursue some of those city-wide talents. They saw the writing on the wall and acted.
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They definitely were recruiting looooooooong ago to strengthen specific programs
 
TR1982 said:
They definitely were recruiting looooooooong ago to strengthen specific programs
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And it's not my intent to say Moeller was even doing anything wrong. When open borders started, it was pretty obvious it was going to increase reach and that kids were going to seek out schools they didn't have access to previously (and vice versa). There were schools that complained (and still complain), and there were schools who got to work. Moeller got to work. St Eds did the same.

You can't fault them for being proactive. It was obviously the right move for them.
 
TR1982 said:
They definitely were recruiting looooooooong ago to strengthen specific programs
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Even though I have Francis Crick's monumental genetic discovery on Ignore, I end up with the enjoyment of seeing his insightful posts when you reply to him....not your fault.
The looooong history of recruiting at the Evil Empire which began with its 1961 inception and points to 1 man....the estimable fuzzball Faust
Most here weren't around when he laid waste to what was an exemplary Greater Catholic League.
Faust not only served as the first football coach but he was also their athletic director.
His recruiting tactics and maneuvers are legion.....get to the kids while there in grade school (Personal/paid friends and asst coaches to umpire and referee knothole, peewee and pony and bball games) and even provide housing and who knows what else
He had major influences on 2 men.......Mike Cameron and Carl Kremer.
Cameron was hired by the fuzzball and was the Moe baseball coach for 39 years.
Kremer is now in his 36th year with the basketball program.
 
Doublehelix said:
And it's not my intent to say Moeller was even doing anything wrong. When open borders started, it was pretty obvious it was going to increase reach and that kids were going to seek out schools they didn't have access to previously (and vice versa). There were schools that complained (and still complain), and there were schools who got to work. Moeller got to work. St Eds did the same.

You can't fault them for being proactive. It was obviously the right move for them.
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Proactive is crafting a marketing team ready to roll after you know the landscape is changing. Totally abutting the rules and moving families in state and recruiting like college is way different. So yeah can fault them for that, however now. It's all good may the best school option get the student/player. It's all good though everyone is going to be put on notice with the creation of a direct feeder to St. X.
 
I agree with a lot of posts about the future of St X basketball. Freshmen finished 26-2 and avenged one loss by beating Moeller at their place by two last second free throws. JV was just as dominant all season also. I watched all the freshman and JV games and they play fast and press like crazy. They both regularly scored in the 50s and 60s. I know a few of the incoming freshmen and they are very talented. Of course, as you may expect Moeller is re-loading as well.
 
Doublehelix said:
I think the GCL feeder model had always allowed enough talent to where it didn't matter pre-open borders. The rest of the city talent was way more spread out over 50+ schools. Now that the best athletes are all concentrating to fewer and fewer schools, it now does matter. Their concentration of talent is catching up, and the GCL schools can't just rely on their best athletes in most sports.

Moe was at the forefront of making the switch to pursue some of those city-wide talents. They saw the writing on the wall and acted.
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I think in the late 80s and early 90s, Moe realized that St. X was an awakened giant on the Cincy hs athletic scene, which prompted them to run to Archdiocese to change the "feeder" program model. This helped Moe, but also at the expense of schools like Purcell, Roger Bacon, etc who've continued to struggle and had to ultimately combined with neighboring all-girl hs.

Also, the opening of Ronald Reagan Hwy made Moe more accessible to Westsiders who hadn't considered Moe back in the 70s and 80s. Throw in EdChoice, endowment money, etc and Moe has a formula that works for them and meets their schools athletic goals.
 
StXDad2023 said:
I agree with a lot of posts about the future of St X basketball. Freshmen finished 26-2 and avenged one loss by beating Moeller at their place by two last second free throws. JV was just as dominant all season also. I watched all the freshman and JV games and they play fast and press like crazy. They both regularly scored in the 50s and 60s. I know a few of the incoming freshmen and they are very talented. Of course, as you may expect Moeller is re-loading as well.
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Going to be fun watching the program the next several years. Even at the frosh and JV levels, they need more talent in the guard positions. I didn’t watch that many games to tell for sure, but it still seems like an outage.
 
It's going to be St X and Moe battling it out for GCL supremacy for the forseeable future.

Elder's window is now shut after this class. I know alot of Elder people who were sure these past 4-5 years would find Elder in a Final Four. They had the best talent in the GCL 4 of those 5 years (this year being Moeller), but never even made a Regional final. They had some very good talent come through during that stretch.

X and Moe are now getting the best feeder players and Moe and perhaps even St X will supplement with city-wide talent.
 
Doublehelix said:
It's going to be St X and Moe battling it out for GCL supremacy for the forseeable future.

Elder's window is now shut after this class. I know alot of Elder people who were sure these past 4-5 years would find Elder in a Final Four. They had the best talent in the GCL 4 of those 5 years (this year being Moeller), but never even made a Regional final. They had some very good talent come through during that stretch.

X and Moe are now getting the best feeder players and Moe and perhaps even St X will supplement with city-wide talent.
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Elder was close. No shame in that. 4 straight 20 win seasons. I thought at least 1 state final appearance was likely. It's a tough road in the SW with Centerville and Moeller.
 
ElderHSfan02 said:
I think the freshman sensation Kaden Estep is going to keep Elder pretty good in football and basketball the next 3 years. There's some good players to build around him also.
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Is he a freshman sensation? He might be Elder's best player on an average freshman team, but X and Moe have several players better than him on every level. Elder has significantly lost the talent war these past 2-3 years.
 
Doublehelix said:
Is he a freshman sensation? He might be Elder's best player on an average freshman team, but X and Moe have several players better than him on every level. Elder has significantly lost the talent war these past 2-3 years.
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Elder will be decent in baseball but will get murdered in football and hoops the next few years.
 
Doublehelix said:
Is he a freshman sensation? He might be Elder's best player on an average freshman team, but X and Moe have several players better than him on every level. Elder has significantly lost the talent war these past 2-3 years.
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Have you seen him play? Very good ball handler, good shooter. Excellent QB in football. His junior and senior years Elder will be very good in football and basketball. Next year will be interesting, and I think Elder should be competitive at minimum.
 
WhoDeyThink said:
On some levels there is definitely a difference in approach and focus between Moe vs St. X athletics. Think you can say the same is true for Elder and LaSalle, but all four schools have had success in the "big 3" sports over the past few decades. Their individual schools approach is what works for them and their student athletes.

All four schools have appeared or won a state title in the "big 3" sports in the past 20 or so years. Impressive, plus the list of state titles or appearances in sports like volleyball, swimming, lacrosse, soccer, etc is pretty extensive.
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Well stated. GBM
 
ElderHSfan02 said:
Have you seen him play? Very good ball handler, good shooter. Excellent QB in football. His junior and senior years Elder will be very good in football and basketball. Next year will be interesting, and I think Elder should be competitive at minimum.
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Agree to disagree. The current sophomore class really struggles. Things could change but just too much lacking for one player to overcome in my opinion.
 
LBL1996 said:
Agree to disagree. The current sophomore class really struggles. Things could change but just too much lacking for one player to overcome in my opinion.
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Correct - when they pool 2-3 different classes together (which they typically have never done, but have to now) they will be the typical Elder team, but in terms of quantity of high level athletes, it's not close.
 
ElderHSfan02 said:
Moeller is handing out free rides for sports. That is tough to compete against. Elder gives pretty generous financial aid packages, but they will not give athletic scholarships like Moeller is doing.
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Stop, it's so nauseating. This is the constant Elder narrative because they can't keep up.
 
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