St. Ignatius priest has been placed administrative leave

I’m awake, you don’t want to hear bitching and moaning? Why do you and moan about Elder and how they suck at what they do All day long? You not realize you sound like a total cry baby just about everyday on here?

I'm done responding to the shills, lackeys, and excuse makers. Someone show me a vision of a revitalized Elder.

The state of affairs is unacceptable.

I'm disappointed in the pace of change and the deferral of problems areas being "fine".
 
Yeah. Besides supporting a boycott of Elder High School, he's a wack job too. He is a troll and wishes ill for Elder.
 
A suggestion from an outsider. It was aroud 20 years ago that a similar scandal broke out in Boston and was being covered up by Cardinal Law. Church going Catholics were outraged by Law's inaction. What they did was instead of putting money into the church envelopes collected at Mass, they put "Law must go" pieces of paper in the envelopes. The Church cannot operate without the funds collected from parishers. In that case, money talked and Law walked (to hide in the Vatican).
 
Quite the opposite. Tired of the run-arounds, empty talk, and no action.

The culture is killing them, and no one will accept it.

A community of people so strong, yet so dumb at the same time. Westsiders.

Then Volunteer at the School or it’s many events, email Ruffing, email or call and talk to someone on the Board! No you just want to B!itch on an Internet forum where the admins have supposedly been “brainwashed”! Your all talk (ing constantly) and no action, pathetic!
 
What were the text messages? Please let me know. They may have been weird but somewhat innocuous. Let us know when you find out the details.

Deters was on 700 today and said the text messages were innocuous. Of course, none of that matters now that someone from years past has come forward. Just wanted to add that since a lot of people were wondering about the text messages.

The actions of a few are destroying the Catholic Church. There is a group calling for the Pope to remove Archbishop Schnurr for the mishandling of this priest. There has to be consequences like this, or this will happen again. Families need to see that the Church is not going to stand for this behavior any longer.
 
Deters was on 700 today and said the text messages were innocuous. Of course, none of that matters now that someone from years past has come forward. Just wanted to add that since a lot of people were wondering about the text messages.

The actions of a few are destroying the Catholic Church. There is a group calling for the Pope to remove Archbishop Schnurr for the mishandling of this priest. There has to be consequences like this, or this will happen again. Families need to see that the Church is not going to stand for this behavior any longer.

The texts were innocuous per Deters but they came after Drew was told to not have contact with students/children. As Deters said, by texting a student or child he violated the no contact policy involving children that he had been given. Arraignment tomorrow morning at 930 in front of Judge Ghiz. Judge Metz wanted nothing to do with this case that was originally his. He an Elder Grad?
 
The texts were innocuous per Deters but they came after Drew was told to not have contact with students/children. As Deters said, by texting a student or child he violated the no contact policy involving children that he had been given. Arraignment tomorrow morning at 930 in front of Judge Ghiz. Judge Metz wanted nothing to do with this case that was originally his. He an Elder Grad?

No. He’s a Moeller grad who apparently considered the priesthood for a while as he attended St. Gregory and Mt. St. Mary’s Seminary.

 
The texts were innocuous per Deters but they came after Drew was told to not have contact with students/children. As Deters said, by texting a student or child he violated the no contact policy involving children that he had been given. Arraignment tomorrow morning at 930 in front of Judge Ghiz. Judge Metz wanted nothing to do with this case that was originally his. He an Elder Grad?
Judge Metz is a devout Catholic but not an Elder grad. I see him at Mass often. That is not the issue. He recuses himself on sex cases. I believe for personal reasons. I do not know, nor do I wish to know the specifics.
 
A suggestion from an outsider. It was aroud 20 years ago that a similar scandal broke out in Boston and was being covered up by Cardinal Law. Church going Catholics were outraged by Law's inaction. What they did was instead of putting money into the church envelopes collected at Mass, they put "Law must go" pieces of paper in the envelopes. The Church cannot operate without the funds collected from parishers. In that case, money talked and Law walked (to hide in the Vatican).

Be careful, you might be called a boycotter.

Yes, this is exactly the type of action that needs to take place. Money talks - this is how you force change.

We've seen what happens when the benefit of the doubt is given but money keeps getting collected.They will take advantage of you again if you don't wake up.
 
A suggestion from an outsider. It was aroud 20 years ago that a similar scandal broke out in Boston and was being covered up by Cardinal Law. Church going Catholics were outraged by Law's inaction. What they did was instead of putting money into the church envelopes collected at Mass, they put "Law must go" pieces of paper in the envelopes. The Church cannot operate without the funds collected from parishers. In that case, money talked and Law walked (to hide in the Vatican).
This is the only way they will learn.
 
He is not a friend of Elder...
No offense, but this is the *exact* mentality that allowed this abuse to run unfettered for decades at Elder. How many posts in this thread mention former students getting "creeped out" by certain priests or faculty members? And these were dumb kids. It is virtually impossible that these crimes were completely unknown to admin and colleagues as they were happening. Willful ignorance is one rationale, the other is the knowledge that coming forward would have been seen as not being "...a friend of Elder".

You are with us, or you are against us...

Didn't the best teachers at Elder show us that nuanced shades of gray were more appropriate than such black/white assertions?
 
A suggestion from an outsider. It was aroud 20 years ago that a similar scandal broke out in Boston and was being covered up by Cardinal Law. Church going Catholics were outraged by Law's inaction. What they did was instead of putting money into the church envelopes collected at Mass, they put "Law must go" pieces of paper in the envelopes. The Church cannot operate without the funds collected from parishers. In that case, money talked and Law walked (to hide in the Vatican).
Unlikely to happen on the West Side, in my opinion.

Someone on Facebook posted, "Oh my god, Geoff Drew married me and my husband!" This kind of perpetual naivete is at odds with the more wizened Bostonians' outlook. The bedrock, unquestioning, legacy-driven, "Elder is special" mentality that still thrives on the West Side does not jive with the kind of New England DIY coup described in your example about Cardinal Law.
 
Unlikely to happen on the West Side, in my opinion.

Someone on Facebook posted, "Oh my god, Geoff Drew married me and my husband!" This kind of perpetual naivete is at odds with the more wizened Bostonians' outlook. The bedrock, unquestioning, legacy-driven, "Elder is special" mentality that still thrives on the West Side does not jive with the kind of New England DIY coup described in your example about Cardinal Law.

I don’t see how that display of shock represents naïveté. It’s not like they knew him well or spent much time with him, but certainly that kind of revelation is a bit jarring.
 
No offense, but this is the *exact* mentality that allowed this abuse to run unfettered for decades at Elder. How many posts in this thread mention former students getting "creeped out" by certain priests or faculty members? And these were dumb kids. It is virtually impossible that these crimes were completely unknown to admin and colleagues as they were happening. Willful ignorance is one rationale, the other is the knowledge that coming forward would have been seen as not being "...a friend of Elder".

You are with us, or you are against us...

Didn't the best teachers at Elder show us that nuanced shades of gray were more appropriate than such black/white assertions?

There’s nothing nuanced about your assertion.
 
Drew seems to have an attorney who doesn’t understand the indictment or this attorney for some reason is just babbling to the media. Per Channel 5 the attorney says these allegations been looked at by 2 other Counties and found no criminal wrongdoing. An indictment for 9 counts of Rape to a 10 yr old boy is way different than unwanted shoulder massages,bear hugs and inappropriate comments.
 
No offense, but this is the *exact* mentality that allowed this abuse to run unfettered for decades at Elder. How many posts in this thread mention former students getting "creeped out" by certain priests or faculty members? And these were dumb kids. It is virtually impossible that these crimes were completely unknown to admin and colleagues as they were happening. Willful ignorance is one rationale, the other is the knowledge that coming forward would have been seen as not being "...a friend of Elder".
So, to whom do we report all close talkers, hand shake lingerers, glarers, learers and personal space violators? I probably meet one of these every day. Are they all pedophiles? Should Joe Deters have a special section for social faux pas?
 
So, to whom do we report all close talkers, hand shake lingerers, glarers, learers and personal space violators? I probably meet one of these every day. Are they all pedophiles? Should Joe Deters have a special section for social faux pas?

Report all this stuff except personal space violators to Yappi I reckon and don’t forget the Mom drama! Personal space violators should be dealt with immediately and directly!
 
So, to whom do we report all close talkers, hand shake lingerers, glarers, learers and personal space violators? I probably meet one of these every day. Are they all pedophiles? Should Joe Deters have a special section for social faux pas?
Your response is either made of straw or I did not make my point clearly in my post. The people who have been namedropped on this thread as giving off "creep vibes" were all eventually involved in some kind of sex crime. Maybe this was merely confirmation bias?

Nobody ever accused the teachers who are perennially mentioned as the best ones at Elder (Acito, Hilvert, et al.) as doing anything close to what you're joking about above, let alone naked swimming, underage beer parties, porn viewings, back rubs, etc.

You're alluding that I'm trying to make this a #MeToo witch hunt, which is false. Refer back to my initial comment about the you're either for/against us credo. Those that rocked the Elder ship, especially during the decades these crimes were committed, were tossed off the boat.
 
An indictment for 9 counts of Rape to a 10 yr old boy is way different than unwanted shoulder massages,bear hugs and inappropriate comments.
True, but chronically misjudging/ignoring the offenses you list is often the preamble to enabling later heinous crimes. Softening up potential victims with these lesser aggressions is the modus operandi of this style of criminal.
 
What they did was instead of putting money into the church envelopes collected at Mass, they put "Law must go" pieces of paper in the envelopes. The Church cannot operate without the funds collected from parishers. In that case, money talked and Law walked (to hide in the Vatican).

I like this idea, but my parish needs the money. Perhaps if we simply added the note with the check each week?
 
I like this idea, but my parish needs the money. Perhaps if we simply added the note with the check each week?

The note will go unread and in the recycle bin and your check in the bank. Then your $$ most likely at some point will be used to pay someone for a Civil lawsuit or to keep that person silent. It’s your hard earned money, do what you think is in the best interest of your particular Church and your family!
 
The note will go unread and in the recycle bin and your check in the bank. Then your $$ most likely at some point will be used to pay someone for a Civil lawsuit or to keep that person silent. It’s your hard earned money, do what you think is in the best interest of your particular Church and your family!

You're probably right about the note going unread. But I cannot imagine much-needed money not being used by my parish.
 
Yeah, I know. That's part of the problem if only a small percentage of people are able and willing to have some difficult conversations to get to the real root of the issues here.

No, there are a multitude of ways to have difficult conversations or initiate change without bitching and moaning. People do it every single day.
 
Your response is either made of straw or I did not make my point clearly in my post. The people who have been namedropped on this thread as giving off "creep vibes" were all eventually involved in some kind of sex crime. Maybe this was merely confirmation bias?

Nobody ever accused the teachers who are perennially mentioned as the best ones at Elder (Acito, Hilvert, et al.) as doing anything close to what you're joking about above, let alone naked swimming, underage beer parties, porn viewings, back rubs, etc.

You're alluding that I'm trying to make this a #MeToo witch hunt, which is false. Refer back to my initial comment about the you're either for/against us credo. Those that rocked the Elder ship, especially during the decades these crimes were committed, were tossed off the boat.

Exactly my point about how so much of the issues (these Church issues as well as enrollment issues) go right back to culture. That is the root of many of these issues.

You're either with us or against us. Blind loyalty and shun the naysayers, or you're out.

Without the gray in-between, where is the potential to change and evolve? We've seen in over and over again with this mantra. These things happen right in front of people's eyes, and it's not even recognized.
 
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