Recreational Marijuana in Ohio

BlueJayFan said:
To make them more appealing? Do you want bran flake edibles?
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TigerPaw said:
Because you are human, and you do.
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I'm very callous and honestly don't care. I've been thru alcohol and heroin deaths. Burned out with the pain substance can inflict. For every proper example for chemical use there is a rebuttal. Tell me again why I should care? Let's speed the process up.
 
BlueJayFan said:
What "little kids snacks" are you talking about? Gummies and candy bars?
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Public health experts say that these colorfully packaged products, which are legal to sell to adults 21 and older, are an attempt to market marijuana to kids. There is a growing number of incidents of kids landing in the hospital after accidentally or knowingly ingesting cannabis products. Marijuana edibles are particularly dangerous for kids because they can take a couple of hours to take effect, so kids may eat more than would be safe for an adult, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
 
Stirred not Shaken said:
After my sister died my dad turned into an alcoholic, alcohol can turn a nice guy mean, in retrospect I wish many a night my dad would have just smoked a joint and I am serious.
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Or, Your father could have went to Counseling. Taking on the mental issues, instead of masking. I also understand humans are imperfect and we still must love the person. But, we can hate the drug.
 
TigerPaw said:
I take it you think we erred in legalizing alcohol and tobacco? And now it is too late? Is that your take? Just asking.
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Per usual, I made my point and you didn't get it because "getting it" is not your strong suit.

Alcohol and tobacco have a long history in America. An argument can be made that the country was built on those 2 products, along with a few others. We all understand the negative things that come with those products, but they were ingrained into American culture from its inception.

But this is the important paragraph if you are capable of getting it. My point is that pot is deadly (I have a grave to prove it), it's addictive, and it causes psychosis. Given that we already tolerate products like alcohol and tobacco that come with bad health and/or social effects, do we want to introduce new things into that mix in our culture? I don't -specifically for that reason.

Legalizers are all about hyping the theoretical advantages of legalization, but minimize or ignore the harsh reality of the costs. Legalization relies on a hyper-idividualistic libertarian context, but the truth is that we live in families and communities and what each of us does affects everyone else our life touches. Again, I have a grave as evidence of this harsh reality. So, before we all go all in on our 4/20 enthusiasm, we should consider this aspect of the cost. Will this enhance families and communities, make children safer, make our society more stable? It is hard for me to see how facilitating and endorsing more intoxicated, lazy, unmotivated, paranoid, ravenous hungry people is a good thing, but these are the kinds of debates we are having.
 
SayMyName said:
Public health experts say that these colorfully packaged products, which are legal to sell to adults 21 and older, are an attempt to market marijuana to kids. There is a growing number of incidents of kids landing in the hospital after accidentally or knowingly ingesting cannabis products. Marijuana edibles are particularly dangerous for kids because they can take a couple of hours to take effect, so kids may eat more than would be safe for an adult, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
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It's just marketing. Their job is to sell their product so they make them stand out. Do you think alcoholic drinks are trying to appeal to kids by putting bright colors on their packaging?

Your argument sounds like a case of bad parenting ie leaving your edibles where your child can get them
 
BlueJayFan said:
Never been to an NYC dispensary. Are they like the ones in Michigan/Colorado (if you've been)?
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Didn’t notice much of a difference between NYC, Cali and Illinois for the most part. There was one dispensary in California though that was more like a crappy corner store.
 
BlueJayFan said:
It's just marketing. Their job is to sell their product so they make them stand out. Do you think alcoholic drinks are trying to appeal to kids by putting bright colors on their packaging?

Your argument sounds like a case of bad parenting ie leaving your edibles where your child can get them
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Did you miss this part? When California voters passed Proposition 64 in 2016 to legalize the adult recreational use of marijuana, they were told cannabis would have strict labeling and would not be packaged or marketed in ways that would appeal to children. But the market is now flooded with pot products that are designed to look like candies and snacks popular with kids and in flavors that are enticing to young people.

Because we know all parents will not leave edibles where kids can get them....got it.
 
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SayMyName said:
Did you miss this part? When California voters passed Proposition 64 in 2016 to legalize the adult recreational use of marijuana, they were told cannabis would have strict labeling and would not be packaged or marketed in ways that would appeal to children. But the market is now flooded with pot products that are designed to look like candies and snacks popular with kids and in flavors that are enticing to young people.

Because we know all parents will not leave edibles where kids can get them....got it.
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There are no fewer than 3 giant warnings on the packaging 🤷

Making colorful packaging =/= appealing to children
 
BlueJayFan said:
There are no fewer than 3 giant warnings on the packaging 🤷

Making colorful packaging =/= appealing to children
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Do YOU need it to be colorful to buy it? You'd take it if it looked like bran flakes.

Looks like your lefty comrade seems to think it is an issue...

Assembly member Jacqui Irwin (D-Thousand Oaks) has introduced a bill that would bar cannabis producers from creating, marketing or selling products that resemble candy, soda and snacks that are attractive to kids. Assembly Bill 1207 would help restore the promise of Proposition 64 and help safeguard kids’ health.

The bill would ban packaging and advertising that include images such as cartoons, toys and fictional characters; the term "candy," even if it’s misspelled as "kandy" or "kandee"; and brand names or names similar to cereals, chips and other foods marketed to children. These are commonsense steps to help ensure that kids do not mistake cannabis edibles for candy or other snacks. (An earlier version of the bill would have also banned the addition of food coloring to gummies so that they would not look like candy or fruit snacks.)
 
IVCguy said:
Per usual, I made my point and you didn't get it because "getting it" is not your strong suit.

Alcohol and tobacco have a long history in America. An argument can be made that the country was built on those 2 products, along with a few others. We all understand the negative things that come with those products, but they were ingrained into American culture from its inception.

But this is the important paragraph if you are capable of getting it. My point is that pot is deadly (I have a grave to prove it), it's addictive, and it causes psychosis. Given that we already tolerate products like alcohol and tobacco that come with bad health and/or social effects, do we want to introduce new things into that mix in our culture? I don't -specifically for that reason.

Legalizers are all about hyping the theoretical advantages of legalization, but minimize or ignore the harsh reality of the costs. Legalization relies on a hyper-idividualistic libertarian context, but the truth is that we live in families and communities and what each of us does affects everyone else our life touches. Again, I have a grave as evidence of this harsh reality. So, before we all go all in on our 4/20 enthusiasm, we should consider this aspect of the cost. Will this enhance families and communities, make children safer, make our society more stable? It is hard for me to see how facilitating and endorsing more intoxicated, lazy, unmotivated, paranoid, ravenous hungry people is a good thing, but these are the kinds of debates we are having.
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As usual anyone who challenges your point "doesn't get it."

Pot is as ingrained in American culture as alcohol and tobacco whether you like it or not. You are free to refrain from all 3 if you choose. How each product adds to or subtracts from our culture is a worthy discussion (it is both) but there is an impracticality in enforcing bans the majority opposes and ignores. The war against pot has NOT enhanced families, communities, made children safer, or society more stable. I am sorry for your loss but alcohol kills far more. And so do guns, obviously. Actually guns surpassed car accidents as leading cause of death among children and teens.
 
BlueJayFan said:
It's just marketing. Their job is to sell their product so they make them stand out. Do you think alcoholic drinks are trying to appeal to kids by putting bright colors on their packaging?

Your argument sounds like a case of bad parenting ie leaving your edibles where your child can get them
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Actually yes, they are. Why wouldn’t they? They make fruit flavored alcoholic drinks.
 
TigerPaw said:
As usual anyone who challenges your point "doesn't get it."

Pot is as ingrained in American culture as alcohol and tobacco whether you like it or not. You are free to refrain from all 3 if you choose. How each product adds to or subtracts from our culture is a worthy discussion (it is both) but there is an impracticality in enforcing bans the majority opposes and ignores. The war against pot has NOT enhanced families, communities, made children safer, or society more stable. I am sorry for your loss but alcohol kills far more. And so do guns, obviously. Actually guns surpassed car accidents as leading cause of death among children and teens.
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And you still don't get it. But I tried. Lol.

Yes, I have read a lot about the founders getting together to smoke and, remarkably, they came up with the greatest governing document in the history of the world. So, you are right. Pot is just as ingrained in American culture from its inception as whisky and tobacco. Good grief. The things leftists say.
 
IVCguy said:
Yes, I have read a lot about the founders getting together to smoke and, remarkably, they came up with the greatest governing document in the history of the world. So, you are right. Pot is just as ingrained in American culture from its inception as whisky and tobacco. Good grief. The things leftists say.
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I mean….
Dr. Burke, president of the American Historical Reference Society and consultant for the Smithsonian Institute, included the following U. S. presidents as marijuana users:

George Washington
Thomas Jefferson
James Madison
James Monroe
Andrew Jackson
Zachary Taylor
Franklin Pierce

Weed was common among tobacco growers, for when it was mixed with tobacco, it gave a mild intoxicating effect. The leaves and resins (hashish) were used to season food and as medicine.

Prior to the Civil War, pot was a very successful drug when used to cure insomnia and impotence. It was used primarily to reduce tension.

"Early letters from our founding fathers often refer to the pleasures of hemp smoking," said Dr. Burke. There are even references to it in the Congressional Records. Marijuana never became a commercial industry because the plant was too easy to grow.

George Washington, James Madison, and Thomas Jefferson all cultivated weed on their plantations. George Washington is said to have preferred a good pipeful of the "leaves of hemp" to any alcoholic drink.
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7 Presidents Smoked It! | Ann Arbor District Library

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Orin Swift said:
I mean….

7 Presidents Smoked It! | Ann Arbor District Library

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I will need to see the receipts on that. Lol. That sounds like something some dope smoking advocate with a BA in history came up with! It reminds me of scholars who allege that the founders intentionally hid a right to abortion in the Constitution. Lol.

I didn't say it was unheard of. I said it wasnt a part of mainstream American culture from its inception. We know it was around and used. I'm familiar with it being a part of some tribes of American Indians. My assertion is that it wasn't a large part of American culture until the last 50 years. The first time I ever knowingly came across it was 1977 and it was taboo and used by a small fringe of people I knew. Admittedly, I grew up in a very rural place that new fads come to late.

OTOH, almost everyone I knew grew or used tobacco and there were many stills around and Mason jars with what looked like water in them. And that had been true for 200 years in those hills.
 
Voice said:
Michigan border dispensaries hope Ohio and Indiana never approve recreational. If you ever been to one, you would understand why I made that statement.
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One of a son's friends takes orders for a weekly trip to SE Michigan. Covers his gas and his time with his mark-up.
 
y2h said:
If you drink to excess over many years. Having a couple drinks occasionally ravages nothing.
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Two glasses of red wine daily is a def net benefit, which declines with increased daily consumption. 2 glasses of white wine or beer are perhaps "heart healthy" but lack the full anti-oxidant benefits of red wine.
 
IVCguy said:
I didn't say it was unheard of. I said it wasnt a part of mainstream American culture from its inception. We know it was around and used. I'm familiar with it being a part of some tribes of American Indians. My assertion is that it wasn't a large part of American culture until the last 50 years. The first time I ever knowingly came across it was 1977 and it was taboo and used by a small fringe of people I knew. Admittedly, I grew up in a very rural place that new fads come to late.

OTOH, almost everyone I knew grew or used tobacco and there were many stills around and Mason jars with what looked like water in them. And that had been true for 200 years in those hills.
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Too funny. LMAO. Pot was not taboo in 1977 and nobody "I" knew grew their own tobacco ran a still or drank moonshine.

Talk about rural. That might be the "American culture" where you're from but dude.
 
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