Questions on Region 4 playoffs

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consumerman

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Just curious

I read a thread about 3 GCL and 3 teams from another league make up 6 of the 8 region 4 playoff teams.

How many leagues comprise the Region 4 playoffs?

How does this differ from the North Coast Section where DLS plays in which I believe there 4 leagues, for sure there at least 3?

Anyway good luck to St X and interested to see what happens Moeller - Colerain.

BTW Mission Viejo lost AGAIN this week. They have 5 wins in 9 games in California but are 1-0 against a GCL team that has advanced to the second round of the playoffs.

Curious to say the least.
 
 
consumerman said:
so a 4 team gcl league

and 2 other leagues

hardly an epic region

I was under the impression regions in ohio would be much larger than the north coast section

doesnt appear to be close to the case
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There are 29 teams in R4...

GCL South - 4
GMC - 10
GWOC - 8 (3 divisions, 17 total teams)
FAVC - 5 (Also has many more teams, but in lower divisions)
SWOPL - 2 (Many more teams, lower divisions)

If you divided the state into 4ths there would be more division I teams in SWO, but the state divides the regions so they each have 29 teams, therefor some schools are in other regions to even it out. Not sure how California divides their regions/divisions, but there are also a bunch of lower division teams in SWO.
 
BTW, c-man, Moeller lost to Colerain 27-7. Second year in a row their season has been ended by Colerain. Congrats to Colerain. Better luck next year Moe.

This sets up a regional final of St. X vs. Colerain.
 
UncleBaldy said:
BTW, c-man, Moeller lost to Colerain 27-7. Second year in a row their season has been ended by Colerain. Congrats to Colerain. Better luck next year Moe.

This sets up a regional final of St. X vs. Colerain.
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Were these day games yesterday? Why are some playoff games night games and the next week they are day games?

Does Colerain have a chance? I heard they have no passing game at all.
 
consumerman said:
Were these day games yesterday? Why are some playoff games night games and the next week they are day games?

Does Colerain have a chance? I heard they have no passing game at all.
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Nope... no passing game and no chance... didn't you hear, Centerville's head coach already annointed St. X the state champs... :angel: :D :D :angel:
 
psax889906 said:
Nope... no passing game and no chance... didn't you hear, Centerville's head coach already annointed St. X the state champs... :angel: :D :D :angel:
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I thought all of St X followers already annointed them NATIONAL CHAMPS becasue of their brutal schedule and going undefeated

which included

3 loss St Iggy which St X squeezed by by 3 in 3 overtimes, other teams beat them by as much as 21

2 loss De Matha who also barely beat a losing team 7-6

4 loss Moeller which lost to a cali team which could barely scrape together 5 wins in 9 games against cali competition

4 loss Elder

a St Ed's team that sucked

etc etc

but the masses in Ohio have annointed St X national champion\\\
 
consumerman said:
I thought all of St X followers already annointed them NATIONAL CHAMPS becasue of their brutal schedule and going undefeated

which included

3 loss St Iggy which St X squeezed by by 3 in 3 overtimes, other teams beat them by as much as 21

2 loss De Matha who also barely beat a losing team 7-6

4 loss Moeller which lost to a cali team which could barely scrape together 5 wins in 9 games against cali competition

4 loss Elder

a St Ed's team that sucked

etc etc

but the masses in Ohio have annointed St X national champion\\\
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That is certainly the glass half empty way to look at St. X. However, they are tough. I think they could hold their own with anyone. As far as Colerain goes.. They are tough as well. Whoever wins this game should win the State championship. Traditionally they win with tough defense and a very solid ground game.

Is DLS still alive? Keep us posted.
 
consumerman said:
4 loss Moeller which lost to a cali team which could barely scrape together 5 wins in 9 games against cali competition
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Not that I think Moeller was great or anything like that this year, but you failed to mention that Mission Viejo had a game that resulted in a tie against San Clemente. San Clemente finished the regular season at 7-2-1, tied with MV for second in their league, and they are both going to the playoffs.

I'll be interested to see how many games Mission Viejo wins in the playoffs.
 
FormerWildcat said:
Not that I think Moeller was great or anything like that this year, but you failed to mention that Mission Viejo had a game that resulted in a tie against San Clemente. San Clemente finished the regular season at 7-2-1, tied with MV for second in their league, and they are both going to the playoffs.

I'll be interested to see how many games Mission Viejo wins in the playoffs.
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The fact that MV finished in a tie for second in their league, instead of dominating it like they always do, shows not the strength of the rest of the league, but how MV is down a notch or two (or 3) this year, despite that they beat a GCL playoff team

they went 5-3-1 in california, like I said winning just 5 of 9 games

I would be surprised (not shocked) if they beat Orange Lutheran
 
consumerman said:
they went 5-3-1 in california, like I said winning just 5 of 9 games
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Yes, what you said was accurate, but what you said was also very politician-like with not telling the whole story. I think you tried to give everyone the impression they had gone 5-4 in California.

I'm not sure why you're so hung up on a "GCL playoff team." Yes, Moeller made the playoffs, but so did Mission Viejo. So, I don't really see any difference. It's not as if MV didn't even make the playoffs, which would have been more meaningful.
 
consumerman said:
I thought all of St X followers already annointed them NATIONAL CHAMPS becasue of their brutal schedule and going undefeated

which included

3 loss St Iggy which St X squeezed by by 3 in 3 overtimes, other teams beat them by as much as 21

2 loss De Matha who also barely beat a losing team 7-6

4 loss Moeller which lost to a cali team which could barely scrape together 5 wins in 9 games against cali competition

4 loss Elder

a St Ed's team that sucked

etc etc

but the masses in Ohio have annointed St X national champion\\\
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But what is their record?
 
FormerWildcat said:
Yes, what you said was accurate, but what you said was also very politician-like with not telling the whole story. I think you tried to give everyone the impression they had gone 5-4 in California.

I'm not sure why you're so hung up on a "GCL playoff team." Yes, Moeller made the playoffs, but so did Mission Viejo. So, I don't really see any difference. It's not as if MV didn't even make the playoffs, which would have been more meaningful.
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moeller was one of 32 teams to make the playoffs in Ohio D1 and won their first game so it can easily be argued they are one of the top 16 in ohio, most would argue top 10

MV is one of 16 playoff teams in the Southern Section Pac 5 Division
there are several divisions in the Southern Section alone\
there are 9 other sections in California

MV is probably the 7th or 8th best team in their division
probably in the top 20 in their section
probably NOT in the top 25 in Socal alone. let alone the entire state including norcal

MV 26, Moeller 22

MV won 5 of 9 games in california
 
FormerWildcat said:
I'm not sure why you're so hung up on a "GCL playoff team."
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all we ever hear os the GCL is the best league in the nation
Moeller finished #2 in that league
Moeller made the playoffs
Moeller won a playoff game

Moeller LOST to a cali team that won 5 of 9 game in cali

is the GCL the best league in the nation???

is Moeller a playoff (winning) team from the GCL??

did they lose to a team that won 5 of 9 games in cali??

can't have your cake (gcl is the best league in the nation) and eat it to0 (a cali team that won 5 of 9 games in cali beat the #2 GCL team that won an Ohio playoff game but it does mean anything as Moeller is not that good)

YOU CHOOSE
 
Anyone who would argue Moeller as a top ten team in the state is delusional........or from Cincinnati. I would include them in the lower end of the top 20.

But yes, it appears that MV is a little better than average in the state of California this year. However, this year appears to be extremely competitive in Cali with an abundance of top notch teams.
 
consumerman said:
MV won 5 of 9 games in california
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And Moeller won 5 games against Ohio teams. You keep posting MV's record as if it is evidence of them struggling terribly in California. But then you act like Moeller is dominating in Ohio. Fact is though, Moeller and MV had the same exact amount of wins (5) and losses (3) against teams from their respective state. I would, however, point out that of Moeller's 5 wins, only 1 (Sycamore) came against a team with a winning record (and Sycamore was without their best player).

I also love how you try to spin Moeller's place in the GCL by saying they finished 2nd in their league. I could just as easily say they finished last in their league.

And no one with any knowledge of Ohio football would seriously consider Moeller a top 10 team in the state. There are at least 20 better D1 schools alone. When you factor in lower division schools Moeller would be lucky to be top 30 in the state.

In reality MV and Moeller are essentially the same team. Both are traditionally powers within their respective states. Both are pretty good this year, but certainly not great. Both will finish below the top in their respective leagues. Both will make the playoffs, but neither will be a threat to make a long run in the playoffs. They played a good game and in a game that could have gone either way a decent California team beat a decent Ohio team.
 
cubbyphan said:
And Moeller won 5 games against Ohio teams. You keep posting MV's record as if it is evidence of them struggling terribly in California. But then you act like Moeller is dominating in Ohio. Fact is though, Moeller and MV had the same exact amount of wins (5) and losses (3) against teams from their respective state. I would, however, point out that of Moeller's 5 wins, only 1 (Sycamore) came against a team with a winning record (and Sycamore was without their best player).

I also love how you try to spin Moeller's place in the GCL by saying they finished 2nd in their league. I could just as easily say they finished last in their league.

And no one with any knowledge of Ohio football would seriously consider Moeller a top 10 team in the state. There are at least 20 better D1 schools alone. When you factor in lower division schools Moeller would be lucky to be top 30 in the state.

In reality MV and Moeller are essentially the same team. Both are traditionally powers within their respective states. Both are pretty good this year, but certainly not great. Both will finish below the top in their respective leagues. Both will make the playoffs, but neither will be a threat to make a long run in the playoffs. They played a good game and in a game that could have gone either way a decent California team beat a decent Ohio team.
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YOU ARE MISSING THE MAIN POINT!!!!!

NO ONE CLAIMS MISSION VIEJO PLAYS IN THE BEST LEAGUE IN THE NATION

EVERYONE IN OHIO CLAIMS THAT THE GCL IS THE BEST LEAGUE IN THE NATION

IF YOU HAVE ONE UNDEFEATED TEAM, AND 3 TEAMS THAT ARE "PRETTY GOOD" BUT IN REALITY ARE NOTHING SPECIAL

........... THERE IS NO WAY THE GCL IS THE BEST LEAGUE IN THE COUNTRY

RIGHT NOW I WOULD PUT THE 3 TRINITY PLAYOFF TEAMS (MATER DEI, ORANGE LUTHERAN AND SERVITE) AGAINST ANY 3 GCL TEAMS AND THEY WOULD COMPARE MORE THAN FAVORABLY

THIS NOTION THAT THE GCL IS THE BEST LEAGUE IN THE NATION IS NONSENSE AND THE GOOD TO PRETTY GOOD ELDERS MOELLERS AND LA SALLES ARE PROOF OF THAT

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PS talk about spin city

Moeller was seeded as the #6 team in the playoffs
Elder was seeded #8
LaSalle did not qualify

to say these three team essentially finished in a tie is the ultimate spin

Moeller for all reasonable ananlysis was the second best team in the GCL

to argue otherwise is saying the Ohio playoff system and seeding is seriously flawed

Moeller was the second best team in the GCL
they won a playoff game in Ohio

they lost to a cali team that won 5 of 9 games in Cali and can't use the excuse well 2 of our losses were against arguably the best team in the country (St X) as Moeller can

quit spinning

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if Moeller is the second best team in the GCL but only barely in the top 30 in Ohio,.... what makes the GCL the best league in Ohio, LET ALONE THE NATION

YOU MADE MY ARGUMENT FOR ME
 
1) Moeller was not the 2nd best team in the GCL this year. Elder was a better team than Moeller. The fact that Moeller was seeded higher than Elder was mainly due to Elder's QB getting injured. And the Harbin's are a flawed system. That is discussed all the time on this board. That doesn't mean they aren't a good system.

2) Again, Moeller won same amount of games in Ohio as MV did in California. I don't know how to make this any more clear.

3) Only 1 of Moe's losses was to St X, so I don't know where the comment of 2 of the losses are coming from. One of MV's losses was also to a top 5 team in the country.

4) I don't think "everyone in Ohio" claims that the GCL is the best league in the nation. There are many Cincinnati posters that would argue it's not even the best league in Cincy.

5) On a year-to-year basis I would argue the GCL is probably a top 5 league in the nation, and possibly even the best. The league is a little down this year, and I would actually agree with you that they probably aren't the best in the nation this year.

6) Calpreps has consistently rated the GCL as the best league in the nation. Regardless of how you feel about calpreps (and I would admit that there are flaws with their system), this fact at least indicates that it is not "nonsense" as you describe it to talk about the GCL in this regard.
 
The league is a little down this year, and I would actually agree with you that they probably aren't the best in the nation this year.

thanks

my mistake on Moeller losing twice to St we all know that is Elder

BTW I tried to argue a few weeks back that Elder was better than moeller based on their head to head win

LOTS of Yappi posters came out of the woodworks to say no I was wrong based on Elders losses to teams Moeller beat

anyway I think Cinci HS football is great

I think a 4 team league by definition is flawed

I think the GCL IN NO WAY is the best league in the nation
 
What is this perverse obsession with the GCL?

You want to use leverage one game to engineer the downfall of the GCL and glorify California? C'mon. FYI, I was at the Moe-MV game. MV is no great shakes. Yes, Moe lost. And their coach has caught a lot of heat over the years for losses such as this.

Why was Moe the #2 team in the GCL? Three teams tied for that honor. You omit the fact that #2 in the GCL this year also meant a 1-2 record.

Moe was humiliated by an Elder team that had no other Ohio wins versus a team with a winning record.

Moe's tourney win was a humiliating loss in the making that Sycamore blew through a series of 5 turnovers. They were down 21-0 mid-way through the 3rd and had the game handed to them.

Look, if you want the Trinity League to be the best, then great. You go, girl. I'm just a little curious as to what the Trinity League teams have done, though. The top three teams have played two notable non-league games this whole season and are 1-1. Wow. MD dropped 32 points to a 4-loss team from Utah.

Just exactly what about the Trinity League is supposed to strike fear throughout the nation?
 
Just exactly what about the Trinity League is supposed to strike fear throughout the nation?

Meter Dei has one loss (to a fellow Trinity League team) and is currently nationally ranked

Orange Lutheran has 1 loss (to a fellow Trinity League team) and has been nationally ranked this year (were state D2 bowl champs last year)

Servite has 2 losses (one to a fellow Trinity League Team) and have been nationally ranked this year

lets compare to the GCL

St X - no losses - nationally ranled
Moeller - 4 losses - never nationally ranked this year
Elder - 4 losses - perhaps squeaked into the national rankings for 1-2 weeks

I would rate the teams this way

1. St X
2. Mater Dei
3. Orange Lutheran
4. Servite
5. Moeller
6. Elder

I think the biggest gap is between the #4 and #5 teams

I would rate the top three teams in the Trinity League as certainly better than the top three teams in the GCL
 
consumerman said:
I thought all of St X followers already annointed them NATIONAL CHAMPS becasue of their brutal schedule and going undefeated

which included

3 loss St Iggy which St X squeezed by by 3 in 3 overtimes, other teams beat them by as much as 21 [In a game in Cleveland, with a sophomore QB making his first start in high winds and versus a nationally-known 7-1 program whose defensive strength is against the run. Any Trinity League teams play in a game like that this year?]

2 loss De Matha who also barely beat a losing team 7-6 [Beating Dematha like a drum was a bad thing? They are 9-1 apart from the X game. I suppose Mater Dei dropping 32 points to a team from Utah with three in-state losses is a claim to fame?]

4 loss Moeller which lost to a cali team which could barely scrape together 5 wins in 9 games against cali competition [Five wins and a tie to be clear. Nobody is claiming Moe was great this year.]

4 loss Elder [Two of four losses to X. They beat Moe like a drum. One loss outside the league. They ended Indy's streak. I'm sure there are many 4-loss teams in California that are much better.]

a St Ed's team that sucked [Eds was bad for Eds. Their 5 losses were to teams with a combined 42-13 record. Since Cali teams don't schedule like Eds, your attempt to throw poo misses tha mark]

etc etc [X's opponents this year sport a combined 92-41 record this year. DLS's? 49-40-1. Mater Dei's? 54-35. etc etc etc...]

but the masses in Ohio have annointed St X national champion\\\
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And please name the folks who make up "the masses in Ohio" who have annointed X national champions. Is this idiocy of yours due to the fact that DLS's top two opponents this year are a 7-3 NorCal team and the MV team you keep poo-pooing? Do an "Etc etc." on that.
 
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