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You do realize the new rules are designed to get the game moving with pace and action that resembles the 70s and 80s, right?
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Pitch clock/ shorter games
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You can do that right now if you want to, both with a cable provider and if you have MLB.tv. I’ve watched several Reds and White Sox games the next day on MLB.tv fast forwarding through commercials.
That said, I guess I don’t find the two-minute commercial breaks as arduous to sit through as some folks. I mean, I just scroll through Twitter or read stuff online during the breaks; it’s not a big deal.
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Through first weekend’s games:
Game length:
2022: 3 hours, 8 minutes
2023: 2 hours, 38 minutes
Stolen bases/attempts:
2022: 29 of 43
2023: 70 of 84
Other than one violation — which was later deemed to be an umpire mistake by MLB — there haven’t been any altercations arising from the pitch clock, and minimal violations overall. The umpire mistake was calling a strike on a Mets batter because Pete Alonso was running at 1st base and was deemed to not get back to 1st in a timely manner after a foul ball. MLB said it was the wrong call.
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Game length:
2022: 3 hours, 8 minutes
2023: 2 hours, 38 minutes
Stolen bases/attempts:
2022: 29 of 43
2023: 70 of 84
Other than one violation — which was later deemed to be an umpire mistake by MLB — there haven’t been any altercations arising from the pitch clock, and minimal violations overall. The umpire mistake was calling a strike on a Mets batter because Pete Alonso was running at 1st base and was deemed to not get back to 1st in a timely manner after a foul ball. MLB said it was the wrong call.
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I know I can do that right now and currently have the capabilities so that is what I shall do in the future. I usually don't plan on watching a game though and I typically stumble on a game of interest by changing channels.
I guess you still want to debate me though on commercial length.... lot more than 2 minutes and closer to 4. I timed a few of them.... It's true..... trust me... trust me... trust me.....
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Don’t want to debate.
I’m just telling you that you’re wrong. I fast forward on MLB.tv all the time. You always have to fast forward around 1 minute, 50 seconds to get through the commercial break but not miss the beginning of the next inning.
If you want to be willfully ignorant, that’s not my problem.
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ditto ..... the game I watched was a nationally televised game. Maybe they are longer for them... all I know is the stop watch don't lie.
wolves82
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Stop watches do not lie but cranky old guys can get confused as to whether it made 2, 3 or 4 revolutions. You realize that 4 minutes means eight 30-second commercials? Or four 30-second spots plus eight 15-second spots? There just are not that many commercials between innings...
And the rule changes are dramatically shortening the games, and improving the viewing experience by tightening up the dead time between pitches. Nobody has railed on the MLB more than me the last few years, but they got this one right.
And the rule changes are dramatically shortening the games, and improving the viewing experience by tightening up the dead time between pitches. Nobody has railed on the MLB more than me the last few years, but they got this one right.
Redflagday
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If someone ( I know won’t happen) passes Ricky Henderson stolen bases record will there be an asterisk.
14Red
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There are some unbreakable records out there and Ricky Henderson's stolen base records are safe. The slide step and analytics has taken the running game out of baseball.
14Red
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I'm not going to agree or disagree, my point all along with this is umpires have ALWAYS had the ability to keep the game moving along. I think putting in a clock structures the game in a way that just doesn't work with baseball. Baseball is freedom, no clock, you play by stikes, outs and innings. Watching/ listening to games now there seems to be a rush to games that will take some time getting used to. I'm shocked that the networks / radio stations haven't balked more at the shorter time in between innings where we miss a pitch or two coming out of breaks.
Also an unintended consequence is that the commentating of plays and in between pitches are nearly gone. Normally with close plays or other situations, you get a good explaination from the announcers or some stories about players or situations. The game is moving so fast now that those are difficult to fit in there.
soccerdad72
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I suppose we all could see this coming:
www.yahoo.com
MLB teams extend beer sales after pitch clock shortens games
Thanks to the pitch clock, the action is moving much faster at Major League Baseball games. To combat that time crunch, at least four teams — the Arizona Diamondbacks, Texas Rangers, Minnesota Twins and Milwaukee Brewers — have extended alcohol sales through the eighth inning this season...
StoneEagle
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What could go wrong here? lolI suppose we all could see this coming:
MLB teams extend beer sales after pitch clock shortens games
Thanks to the pitch clock, the action is moving much faster at Major League Baseball games. To combat that time crunch, at least four teams — the Arizona Diamondbacks, Texas Rangers, Minnesota Twins and Milwaukee Brewers — have extended alcohol sales through the eighth inning this season...
I attended today‘s game. The review of the center fielder’s play…any explanation why it took so long? It seemed fairly obvious the ball hit the ground.
On the speed of the game…mostly really good. However, if you attend the games, in the past couple of decades, you didn’t have to watch that closely…it moved slower. Now, you have to keep an eye on the game more closely.
The "real time" explanation by the TV crew was pretty much as clear as mud, well maybe not that bad. In fairness to them, they didn't know much more that what the spectators and tv audience knew and saw. The ball was clearly on the ground, Kwan should have scored, leaving runners on 1st and 3rd.
The post game comments by Francona and Boone may helped a bit, but straight up...I wasn't paying real close attention. I did hear Boone say that his complaint was that Cleveland didn't call for the review in the allotted time, and he felt that the umpiring crew's decision to review was influenced by the crowd's reaction when the replay was shown on the scoreboard. He did acknowledge that the crew did get it right, he just didn't care for the way it went down. Yanks won, so he didn't come off as sour at all.
FYI. Bally is replaying the game right now.
OH-Fan-2015
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I do like the pitch clock. It keeps the game moving, some games would last 4 hours depending on pitchers.
After watching a game live for the first time...
If anything, I think the pitch clock is a little too short. Basically 15 seconds from the time the pitcher catches the ball from the catcher to when he starts his wind-up...ZERO screwing around time.
Seems as though the pitcher and catcher can tighten up the mechanics a bit. To slow down the process, catcher can take his time throwing the ball back. Pitcher should not accept a throw till he's all set up on the mound. I think, maybe, move it out to 18 seconds.
If anything, I think the pitch clock is a little too short. Basically 15 seconds from the time the pitcher catches the ball from the catcher to when he starts his wind-up...ZERO screwing around time.
Seems as though the pitcher and catcher can tighten up the mechanics a bit. To slow down the process, catcher can take his time throwing the ball back. Pitcher should not accept a throw till he's all set up on the mound. I think, maybe, move it out to 18 seconds.
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You’re only allowed three per batter. And if you don’t get the runner out on the third try, he gets second base for free.
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14Red
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Next will be all the concessions/ stadium employees getting a governmental handout because they are losing money because of shorter game.I suppose we all could see this coming:
MLB teams extend beer sales after pitch clock shortens games
Thanks to the pitch clock, the action is moving much faster at Major League Baseball games. To combat that time crunch, at least four teams — the Arizona Diamondbacks, Texas Rangers, Minnesota Twins and Milwaukee Brewers — have extended alcohol sales through the eighth inning this season...
14Red
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Umpires have always had the ability to keep the pace of the game moving. Why there needed to be a clock to enforce it is beyond me.
How about leave politics out of this?
wolves82
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Because the umpires did not enforce it?
OH-Fan-2015
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I would argue more people will go to the games now that they won't last 4 hours. The games could get very tedious, meaning more people, more concession sales.
Umpires do have the ability to an extent. This is an undoubted way to keep the game moving. I don't pay attention to it when I watch, and sooner than later the players won't either. They'll eventually get used to this newer pace
14Red
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I'm just sayin', that's what you're going to see happen.
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So in 99%of the things we purchase, we want more rather than less, but for baseball we want faster games so we can get out of there?? Makes no sense to me. I think this will be ever evolving and you will see teams try to circumvent the rules. Wait until the first game when a pitch clock violation in a key point in the 9th inning causes a team to win or lose, people will lose their minds. There is dead time in baseball, there always has been. Why people get bent out of shape about it fascinates me.
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Regarding the bolded part: Nah, we’ll just shake our heads at and/or laugh at the player who didn’t follow the rules.
We want a faster pace with more action because the games had become glacial in pace and often boring. Getting the game over faster is a nice side benefit since people have daily responsibilities beyond watching baseball.
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Hey, it's like the 24 second clock in basketball. You get the shot off...or you lose possession. It's just a part of the rules of the game. Nothing cataclysmic happens if the violation occurs in the last minute of a big game...
14Red
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Unless that player is on our team. We get bent out of shape when a foul is called in basketball at a key moment when it IS A FOUL.
To me, this was way too much. You can do alot more to encourage action without taking some key components out of the game. In the late 60's the mound was lowered and it sparked more offense. I think lowering the mound in half would had done all that was necessary. You could even move the mound back. Just 2-3-4 feet would make a profound difference.
Bigger bases? Hokey. No shift? You mean you have a player who WE KNOW hits 80% of his balls to the right or left side and you can't stack that side?? And the one that really gets me, only throw to bases twice to pick a runner off?? That cat and mouse game is a fun part of baseball. Reading the pitcher's move to first. Pitchers changing their looks, pitcher gets distracted and lays one in for the hitter. This is all part of the game. I will never be a proponent of the pitch clock. Just sterilizes the game for TV purposes only. And the goofy part is the umpires have always had the ability to get hitters in the box and not allow pitchers to screw around on the mound.