Ohtani agrees to sign with Dodgers

wolves82 said:
Brilliant on Ohtani's part. I'm guessing he plans to leave California after he is done playing, so he can avoid the super high Calif. taxes on the bulk of his income. I guess it helps the Dodgers in the short term too. Surprised that MLB allows this sort of thing to let teams dodge the luxury tax for a decade.
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Im sure Cali will figure out a way to get their 50%
 
wolves82 said:
Brilliant on Ohtani's part. I'm guessing he plans to leave California after he is done playing, so he can avoid the super high Calif. taxes on the bulk of his income. I guess it helps the Dodgers in the short term too. Surprised that MLB allows this sort of thing to let teams dodge the luxury tax for a decade.
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I was wondering about the luxury tax factor as well. I wonder if MLB will have something to say about that.

For what it's worth (no pun intended), having no inflation escalator in the contract means that the true new value of the deal is a lot lower than $700 million. The first $68 million isn't due until 2033.
 
wolves82 said:
Brilliant on Ohtani's part. I'm guessing he plans to leave California after he is done playing, so he can avoid the super high Calif. taxes on the bulk of his income. I guess it helps the Dodgers in the short term too. Surprised that MLB allows this sort of thing to let teams dodge the luxury tax for a decade.
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My guess is this is new, not necessarily the deferring, but the amounts. It used to be pretty incidental in the overall numbers. Griffey Jr. is or was still on the Reds payroll, But when you're deferring 90% of he contract, that's clearly circumventing not only taxes for the player, but the overall salary restrictions for the team.
Now there are very few players who'd even agree to this simply because it behooves about 99% of the players to get their money when expected. Not let the team hold onto your money. It's why I said when pople make such a big deal about Bobby Bonilla's $1 mill he gets from the Mets, that's stilly on Bonilla, not the Mets. If Bonilla got that money back in the 90's when he played and invested it, it would be worth alot more than $1 mill per season.
My observation to guys like this, and certainly not Ohtani...."how much money do you need?" I mean seriously? What are we doing here? Many of these superstar athletes have more money than they or generations of their family can spend so why do you need that money? The union hates that ideal but at what point is it detrimental to your life and the organization? Someday it will end and like the NHL, the leagues will have to blow up the current CBA and start over.
 
14Red said:
My guess is this is new, not necessarily the deferring, but the amounts. It used to be pretty incidental in the overall numbers. Griffey Jr. is or was still on the Reds payroll, But when you're deferring 90% of he contract, that's clearly circumventing not only taxes for the player, but the overall salary restrictions for the team.
Now there are very few players who'd even agree to this simply because it behooves about 99% of the players to get their money when expected. Not let the team hold onto your money. It's why I said when pople make such a big deal about Bobby Bonilla's $1 mill he gets from the Mets, that's stilly on Bonilla, not the Mets. If Bonilla got that money back in the 90's when he played and invested it, it would be worth alot more than $1 mill per season.
My observation to guys like this, and certainly not Ohtani...."how much money do you need?" I mean seriously? What are we doing here? Many of these superstar athletes have more money than they or generations of their family can spend so why do you need that money? The union hates that ideal but at what point is it detrimental to your life and the organization? Someday it will end and like the NHL, the leagues will have to blow up the current CBA and start over.
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Bonilla wasn't going to invest squat. His agent knew Bobby's weakness with finances
 
Omar said:
Not worth it. No proof he can even pitch after his second TJ surgery.
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In the long run, probably not. It will be fun to see the Dodgers win maybe 1 World Series in the next 10 years and then be stuck with the guaranteed bill for aging and broken-down 30-somethings like Freeman, Mookie, Ohtani, Glasnow, the unproven-in-MLB Yamamoto, etc., etc.

Of course, I guess the Dodgers can withstand that bill.
 
I sincerely hope that the MLB gets smart at some point and imposes a hard salary cap and floor. It would help parity so much and make all the cheapskate owners give their fans a competitive roster, or they can sell the team.

Plus, if it happens in 10 years or so, I could laugh my butt off as the Dodgers will have $68M per year for Ohtani counting against the cap for a decade after he is gone.
 
wolves82 said:
I sincerely hope that the MLB gets smart at some point and imposes a hard salary cap and floor. It would help parity so much and make all the cheapskate owners give their fans a competitive roster, or they can sell the team.

Plus, if it happens in 10 years or so, I could laugh my butt off as the Dodgers will have $68M per year for Ohtani counting against the cap for a decade after he is gone.
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Parity is fine right now. Regardless of market size, expanded Playoffs has allowed teams to compete for Postseason and not be eliminated by August.

BTW, San Diego, small market, 3rd in payroll. And, didn’t do anything until it was too late

However, I could be open to salary floor .
 
Maple_City_Fan said:
Parity is fine right now. Regardless of market size, expanded Playoffs has allowed teams to compete for Postseason and not be eliminated by August.

BTW, San Diego, small market, 3rd in payroll. And, didn’t do anything until it was too late

However, I could be open to salary floor .
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San Diego: third in payroll last year; had to take out a loan to make payroll. Unfortunately unsustainable, and the wealthy owner who was willing to lose money sadly passed away this offseason.

It’ll be worth continuing to track how many NL Central and AL Central teams wind up in the playoffs as well as doing damage in the playoffs going forward. The gap between the Centrals and the coastal/Southern teams is stark. We already see a trend brewing with no representation among those divisions in the World Series since 2016.
 
AEW Champion said:
We already see a trend brewing with no representation among those divisions in the World Series since 2016.
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But, we've seen Arizona and Tampa Bay in recent World Series, and 1st time winners in Houston, Washington, and Texas during this time frame. This maintains the thesis of parity and not so much location
 
Maple_City_Fan said:
But, we've seen Arizona and Tampa Bay in recent World Series, and 1st time winners in Houston, Washington, and Texas during this time frame. This maintains the thesis of parity and not so much location
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Houston, Dallas and DC (DMV) are all Top 10 media markets. Those are big-market, big-spending teams. I’ll give you Arizona and Tampa since they act smaller market despite being the #11 and #12 ranked media markets respectively. FWIW, Tampa has been a good regular season team for years but typically falters in the playoffs when established veteran stars (especially pitching) take over. They’ve only made two appreciable playoff runs (2008 and 2020) despite having lots of opportunities. And I don’t put a ton of stock into the 60-game Mickey Mouse Covid season anyway, to be honest.
 
AEW Champion said:
Houston, Dallas and DC (DMV) are all Top 10 media markets. Those are big-market, big-spending teams. I’ll give you Arizona and Tampa since they act smaller market despite being the #11 and #12 ranked media markets respectively. FWIW, Tampa has been a good regular season team for years but typically falters in the playoffs when established veteran stars (especially pitching) take over. They’ve only made two appreciable playoff runs (2008 and 2020) despite having lots of opportunities. And I don’t put a ton of stock into the 60-game Mickey Mouse Covid season anyway, to be honest.
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Houston, Dallas, and DC have always been big market teams, but only recently won 1st World Series. For the record, when Houston won their 1st in 2017, 18th in payroll

If we're talking parity at face value, it's been accomplished. Nothing else matters

Also, Cleveland could have been includes in this parity, but they keep choking World Series
 
Maple_City_Fan said:
Parity is fine right now. Regardless of market size, expanded Playoffs has allowed teams to compete for Postseason and not be eliminated by August.

BTW, San Diego, small market, 3rd in payroll. And, didn’t do anything until it was too late

However, I could be open to salary floor .
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Does not matter what you are open to. There is no way ownership would accept a salary floor (forced spending) without receiving the protection of a hard salary cap in return. And the players association would not accept a hard salary cap with out the benefit of a salary floor. Both are needed, and this gives both sides a win they can feel good about. This is the way to fix the situation.

No reasonable fan would object to this, unless he or she likes to front-run with a huge roster advantage.
 
wolves82 said:
Does not matter what you are open to. There is no way ownership would accept a salary floor (forced spending) without receiving the protection of a hard salary cap in return. And the players association would not accept a hard salary cap with out the benefit of a salary floor. Both are needed, and this gives both sides a win they can feel good about. This is the way to fix the situation.

No reasonable fan would object to this, unless he or she likes to front-run with a huge roster advantage.
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You're right: won't be one without the other

Just my pipedream, especially to those front-running small market organizations
 
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