OHSAA To Announce Possible Football Playoff Change, From 16 To 12 Teams In A Region

Coach1304 said:
I love the idea of 1-4 getting a bye, it is a reward for hard work and dedication and allows some players to heal. It will also make it an incentive for teams to schedule their OOC games correctly like they used to do to make sure they get the correct number of points to earn the bye. The 6 rounds was a money grab from the OHSAA who made millions off of 1 extra round.
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Coaches don’t want a Bye. Not playing for 14 days is a momentum killer.
 
vamp2syd said:
I like 6 divisions with D1 being an open division. 32 teams per division qualify for post season. That would make 192 schools out of the 700+ qualifying. No regions, use the Harbin system to determine playoff teams but use a rating system to seed teams using a standard bracket and home games for the first two rounds.
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Why ? This is terrible this will never happen. They would lose so much money and have 5 hour road trips.
 
Kaponk said:
Why ? This is terrible this will never happen. They would lose so much money and have 5 hour road trips.
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Why? Because that is what I would like to see.
Never Happen? Probably
Who would be losing "so" much money?
5 hour road trips? There is already regular season games as well as playoff games with long road trips. Those who win reek the rewards of playing at home. I doubt any kid minds a 5 hour road trip in a meaningful playoff game.
 
KeyBoardCoach said:
I think you are underestimating how kids on these teams see the situation. In the example of a John Hay, Maybe because for one week they get to play in an actual HS football setting and not a Friday afternoon at 3 pm with no one there anyways. But the majority…..these kids aren’t naive. Most of them know they have no chance and their last game will certainly being a meaningless blowout. Lowering the number of playoff teams gives more kids the chance to have a meaningful last game and the shot to go out with a win.
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That's not true at all imo unless we go to four teams per region you're never going to have so-called meaningful games. Because even under the old format the 8th seed still more than likely gets their teeth kicked in by the 1 seed in most division is Ohio the real contenders are there when they need to be everybody else is just playing just to play in my opinion look at D2 for example Hoban, Massillon,Avon, Anderson and Walsh as of late will find they're way when the time comes most year so honestly in my opinion no matter the format everybody else weeds themselves out. I honestly don't see a problem with 16 just because I love football and it's more football too watch but I think 12 is a good number as long there are no bye weeks. No disrespect tho just talking ball.
 
MentorGrad2002 said:
Go back to 8 per region and 6 divisions

Back to making the playoffs actually meaning something in football .

Regular season is meaningless now especially in D1

OHSAA greed did that to the regular season
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Makes zero sense as far as saying the regular season is meaningless in my opinion this format helps the teams who have trouble finding games and are forced to play the best of the best. I am not sure what year it was but I remember when Winton woods played probably one of the hardest schedules I have seen in recent memory and they missed the playoffs under the old 8 team format that definitely would not have happened under the new 16 team system or even the 12 team system that wouldn't have happened. They have to find a way to incorporate strength of schedule because it sucks when you have to play a grueling brutal regular season schedule and it comes down to Harbin points because in a way it hurts you more than it helps you TBH.
 
MassillonK1D330 said:
Makes zero sense as far as saying the regular season is meaningless in my opinion this format helps the teams who have trouble finding games and are forced to play the best of the best. I am not sure what year it was but I remember when Winton woods played probably one of the hardest schedules I have seen in recent memory and they missed the playoffs under the old 8 team format that definitely would not have happened under the new 16 team system or even the 12 team system that wouldn't have happened. They have to find a way to incorporate strength of schedule because it sucks when you have to play a grueling brutal regular season schedule and it comes down to Harbin points because in a way it hurts you more than it helps you TBH.
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2019 Winton Woods went 6-3, they beat the eventual D2 and D3 state champion (La Salle and Trotwood). Losses were against St. Edward (no explanation needed, consistent D1 juggernaut), Elder (D1 state runner up) and an out of state private school who was really solid. They missed the playoffs by 1 spot, and it was absolutely the biggest snub I’ve ever personally seen. Ever since that point I’ve always been on board with an expanded playoffs
 
If they go to 12 teams and allow the top 4 seeds to avoid the bye, they are creating blowouts. The top seed will choose a first round game which will be filled by the #12 seed. The #11 seed will take the bye and be their second round opponent.

Allowing top seeds to play in the first round creates more blowouts. You can't argue for moving back to 12 teams because of blowouts then let the #1 seed blowout the bottom two seeds.
 
Yappi said:
If they go to 12 teams and allow the top 4 seeds to avoid the bye, they are creating blowouts. The top seed will choose a first round game which will be filled by the #12 seed. The #11 seed will take the bye and be their second round opponent.

Allowing top seeds to play in the first round creates more blowouts. You can't argue for moving back to 12 teams because of blowouts then let the #1 seed blowout the bottom two seeds.
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Agreed. If it goes to 12, teams 1-4 get a bye and 5-12 play in the first round with 5 vs 12 (winner plays 4) , 6 vs 11 (winner plays 3), 7 vs 10 (winner plays 2) and 8 vs 9 (winner plays 1)
 
BirdDog10 said:
Get rid of regions completely and just do a state-wide bracket? No, that would be a horrible idea. But I don't think it's inconceivable to get rid of the regions as we think of them, and instead take the top "x" teams across the state in each division to qualify for the playoffs and then split them into regions.
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This isn't a bad idea. I just want the best 32 teams in the state in the playoffs. Every team in the playoffs should have more Harbin points than every team that is out of the playoffs.

The regions created the fiasco of having two undefeated teams out of the playoffs in 2019.
 
footballsalads43 said:
2019 Winton Woods went 6-3, they beat the eventual D2 and D3 state champion (La Salle and Trotwood). Losses were against St. Edward (no explanation needed, consistent D1 juggernaut), Elder (D1 state runner up) and an out of state private school who was really solid. They missed the playoffs by 1 spot, and it was absolutely the biggest snub I’ve ever personally seen. Ever since that point I’ve always been on board with an expanded playoffs
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Winton Woods missed the playoffs because of the stupid regions. Expansion wasn't needed. The regions kept Winton Woods out of the playoffs. I'm curious as to why you didn't mention this. Many teams in other regions had less Harbin points than Winton Woods.
 
algernonsidney said:
Winton Woods missed the playoffs because of the stupid regions. Expansion wasn't needed. The regions kept Winton Woods out of the playoffs. I'm curious as to why you didn't mention this. Many teams in other regions had less Harbin points than Winton Woods.
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I guess that’s a valid point, but there will always be regions due to travel.
 
algernonsidney said:
This isn't a bad idea. I just want the best 32 teams in the state in the playoffs. Every team in the playoffs should have more Harbin points than every team that is out of the playoffs.

The regions created the fiasco of having two undefeated teams out of the playoffs in 2019.
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Not going to happen:

1) There will never be a full statewide bracket. Can you image the overall increase in travel as we will inevitably have Cincinnati vs Cleveland and Toledo area vs Ironton area matchup in every round. The schools will never vote to put that many kids on those long bus rides (not to pay for the gasoline and bus drivers).

2) So, the state could just draw the regions after the playoff teams are selected. If you think you hear complaining now, wait until the politicking goes on over where those lines are drawn (and they have to be drawn in about 24 hours or less). "Hey, send Marion Local south, we up north had to deal with them last year."
 
BGSUGrad said:
If they do this 112 schools will miss out on a week 11 game and for what?
Are there blowouts? Yes just like in the state championship games. But in the 3 years it has been in place a 16 has already beaten a 1 and a 15 played for a regional championship, seems like giving kids a chance to play has been fine.
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I get it. But at some point, you gotta earn a spot.
 
footballsalads43 said:
I guess that’s a valid point, but there will always be regions due to travel.
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I like beating dead horses. The regions are a sacred cow in Ohio, and I'm even more amazed at the ridiculous rationalizations in favor of keeping them.

West Virginia doesn't have them and has LONGER road trips than Ohio. And there isn't anybody in the state who wants regions for the football playoffs.

I guess most people will defend the status quo just because it is the status quo.
 
BGSUGrad said:
If they do this 112 schools will miss out on a week 11 game and for what?
Are there blowouts? Yes just like in the state championship games. But in the 3 years it has been in place a 16 has already beaten a 1 and a 15 played for a regional championship, seems like giving kids a chance to play has been fine.
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No disrespect but there have been 4 seasons since OHSAA went to 16 teams/region for all 7 divisions, 2021-2024. However, people seem to forget that there were 3 seasons, 2013-15, when D1 only had 2 regions and therefore 16 teams per region qualified. West Chester Lakota West was the first #16 to beat a #1 when they beat Centerville in 2014. WCLW also beat Lakota East in the 2nd round before losing to HH Wayne. Those were the only wins by a #16 in those 3 seasons so the #16 teams were a combined 2-6 from 2013-15. The #15s were 0-6.

Since 2021 when the 16 teams/region became the norm there has been exactly 1 win by a #16 team, Milan Edison beat Bellevue in D4 in 2021. Edison lost in the next round. The #16 teams since 2021 have a combined playoff won/loss record of 1-112. Add in the 2-6 from D1 in 2013-15 and you get a grand total of 3 wins and 118 losses, many of them absolute blowouts. That's a winning percentage of .0248!

The #15s aren't much better. As you mentioned Delphos St. John did make it to a regional final last season. They won 3 games. I think the total record for #15 teams is 7-118. It may be 8-118, but the bottom line is, well let's just say it's not good either. I think the overall record for the #13-#16 teams is 57-472. That's a winning percentage of .107 From a competitive standpoint it is ludicrous that 16 teams/region qualify IMO.

For that matter I believe the #9-#12 seeds have a combined 159-472 record for a winning percentage of .252. Not counting 2020 I think only one team ranked #9-#12 has won a regional title and that was #12 Springfield in 2023 when they made it to their 3rd straight D1 final. So #9-#12 teams have not exactly had a ton of playoff success either but it is much much better than the #13-#16 teams.

Personally I think 8 teams/region is the correct number but that's just me looking at it from strictly a competitive perspective.
 
No disrespect but there have been 4 seasons since OHSAA went to 16 teams/region for all 7 divisions, 2021-2024. However, people seem to forget that there were 3 seasons, 2013-15, when D1 only had 2 regions and therefore 16 teams per region qualified. West Chester Lakota West was the first #16 to beat a #1 when they beat Centerville in 2014. WCLW also beat Lakota East in the 2nd round before losing to HH Wayne. Those were the only wins by a #16 in those 3 seasons so the #16 teams were a combined 2-6 from 2013-15. The #15s were 0-6.
YTOWN said:
Since 2021 when the 16 teams/region became the norm there has been exactly 1 win by a #16 team, Milan Edison beat Bellevue in D4 in 2021. Edison lost in the next round. The #16 teams since 2021 have a combined playoff won/loss record of 1-112. Add in the 2-6 from D1 in 2013-15 and you get a grand total of 3 wins and 118 losses, many of them absolute blowouts. That's a winning percentage of .0248!

The #15s aren't much better. As you mentioned Delphos St. John did make it to a regional final last season. They won 3 games. I think the total record for #15 teams is 7-118. It may be 8-118, but the bottom line is, well let's just say it's not good either. I think the overall record for the #13-#16 teams is 57-472. That's a winning percentage of .107 From a competitive standpoint it is ludicrous that 16 teams/region qualify IMO.

For that matter I believe the #9-#12 seeds have a combined 159-472 record for a winning percentage of .252. Not counting 2020 I think only one team ranked #9-#12 has won a regional title and that was #12 Springfield in 2023 when they made it to their 3rd straight D1 final. So #9-#12 teams have not exactly had a ton of playoff success either but it is much much better than the #13-#16 teams.

Personally I think 8 teams/region is the correct number but that's just me looking at it from strictly a competitive perspective.
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This post says all we need too know.
 
Wuauquikuna said:
No disrespect but there have been 4 seasons since OHSAA went to 16 teams/region for all 7 divisions, 2021-2024. However, people seem to forget that there were 3 seasons, 2013-15, when D1 only had 2 regions and therefore 16 teams per region qualified. West Chester Lakota West was the first #16 to beat a #1 when they beat Centerville in 2014. WCLW also beat Lakota East in the 2nd round before losing to HH Wayne. Those were the only wins by a #16 in those 3 seasons so the #16 teams were a combined 2-6 from 2013-15. The #15s were 0-6.

This post says all we need too know.
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So you're saying there's a chance? lol
But really, more kids get to play in the playoffs, going to 12 doesn't shorten the playoffs, upsets happen, and I would venture to guess that at some point a 12+ seed will play for a state title.
 
12 teams? In that case: 6 first round games. 3 second round games. Highest surviving seed gets a bye to the regional championship game.
 
FourthAndOne said:
16 teams per Region in D1 is a Joke.
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16 in any region is a joke.

D1 weren't the ones asking for more divisions and more teams in overall though. Can't penalize D1 with less playoff rounds when it was many d2 teams and lower who were throwing the fits

D1 is only smaller than others because of the temper tantrums from d2 schools
 
Oil Filter said:
Gross (and inaccurate) mischaracterization of a legitimate complaint.
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Actually it's completely accurate. Had the D2 schools not complained, D1 wouldn't be smaller and we wouldn't have 7 divisions. D1 is smaller because of complaints of disparities in enrollment. It isn't any D1 schools fault that others complained
 
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