OHSAA looking at Massillon transfer app

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bass10 said:
Does he now? Whats his height and weight? Can you say if he does now it was because he played at Massillon? Do you know for sure had he
stayed at Copley he wouldn't have gotten the same offers he may get since he's at Massillon?
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One of the the things D1 recruiters are looking for is how a kid was coached and developed at the high school level. Particularly to see if they are ready to play or contribute immediately. It’s no coincidence that most of these great college players come from great HS programs. Yes if you’re good enough they will find you. But they find you a lot easier and a lot quicker at top programs. Believe this, the youngster in question is getting a lot more looks at Massillon than if he stayed at Copley. He will be much further ahead of the curve leaving Massillon as opposed to Copley.
 
bootleg said:
I didn't see the form as a big deal. If a person just answers them honestly and are not violating a rule - then all is well.

IF the student or the guardian/parent of the student filled it out honestly and correctly then there is nothing to worry about.

Just for clarification, the school doesn't fill this paper out - so any fingers pointing their way are pointing in the wrong direction.

That is NOT the case here and the investigation is in the validity of statements the guardian/parent made.

IF the student was worried about eligibility then he could have just stayed at Copley - his talent would still get him recruited regardless where he plays.
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Clueless
 
BigSack said:
those "Massillon" stars like Jamir Thomas, Terrance Keyes, Myron Welch, Kyree Young, Hartson, etc must have really enjoyed their big time scholarships from playing at Massillon.

Owens is lucky to have a couple weeks off, Moore will be running his head in a concrete wall 20-30 times a game soon enough
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Do you want to talk about the kids that are playing in college right now and having it paid for ?
 
meanwhile - no one knows what was stated on the affidavit which could be the conflict that brought about the investigation and the young man's removal from play. I would think that has more to do with it than the recruiting pitch that is being debated currently..
 
MassillonKenn said:
Please. You are misinformed or out right lying.
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OHSAA Interim Commissioner Dave Gray…..”The investigation involved several student-athletes who the OHSAA said were recruited to attend Massillon Washington by its head coach Nate Moore, along with other Massillon Washington assistant football coaches and boosters.”

I think you know the rest…$5,000 fine, school on probation for 3 years, Moore not allowed to coach in the playoffs, one player declared ineligible for the entire 2016-17 school year and another ineligible for the first half of the 16 season.

Neither lying or misinformed
 
bootleg said:
meanwhile - no one knows what was stated on the affidavit which could be the conflict that brought about the investigation and the young man's removal from play. I would think that has more to do with it than the recruiting pitch that is being debated currently..
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Two separate discussions. IMHO, what's on the form doesn't matter, because the form in and of itself should be discarded as being a gross and unconscionable invasion of privacy.
 
Football Fan 1 said:
OHSAA Interim Commissioner Dave Gray…..”The investigation involved several student-athletes who the OHSAA said were recruited to attend Massillon Washington by its head coach Nate Moore, along with other Massillon Washington assistant football coaches and boosters.”

I think you know the rest…$5,000 fine, school on probation for 3 years, Moore not allowed to coach in the playoffs, one player declared ineligible for the entire 2016-17 school year and another ineligible for the first half of the 16 season.
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IMHO, Massillon bodged their response. Rather than accept OHSAA's initial ruling, Massillon took OHSAA to court. Their mistake was reaching a settlement, as there was proof positive that OHSAA colluded with LaSalle to go after Massillon. They should have put the LaSalle AD and OHSAA Commissioner Debbie Moore on the stand and have them admit to their actions under oath. Those two were clearly scared to death to do that, so they backed down. Instead of letting them off the hook with a face-saving settlement, Massillon should have insisted on the following terms:
- Waiving all penalties imposed in the initial ruling.
- Personal and public apologies to Thayer Munford, his mother, Nate Moore, and the Massillon school system.
- Reimbursement of all fees and expenses pursuant to the suit.
- The immediate resignation of LaSalle's AD.
- The immediate resignation of Debbie Moore.

Football Fan 1 said:
Neither lying or misinformed
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Actually, you are. Those punishments you listed were never imposed.
 
Oil Filter said:
IMHO, Massillon bodged their response. Rather than accept OHSAA's initial ruling, Massillon took OHSAA to court. Their mistake was reaching a settlement, as there was proof positive that OHSAA colluded with LaSalle to go after Massillon. They should have put the LaSalle AD and OHSAA Commissioner Debbie Moore on the stand and have them admit to their actions under oath. Those two were clearly scared to death to do that, so they backed down. Instead of letting them off the hook with a face-saving settlement, Massillon should have insisted on the following terms:
- Waiving all penalties imposed in the initial ruling.
- Personal and public apologies to Thayer Munford, his mother, Nate Moore, and the Massillon school system.
- Reimbursement of all fees and expenses pursuant to the suit.
- The immediate resignation of LaSalle's AD.
- The immediate resignation of Debbie Moore.


Actually, you are. Those punishments you listed were never imposed.
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I remember that... One of the accusations was originally levied against Moeller for recruiting a Canadian QB and they redirected the blame at Massillon.
 
Oil Filter said:
IMHO, Massillon bodged their response. Rather than accept OHSAA's initial ruling, Massillon took OHSAA to court. Their mistake was reaching a settlement, as there was proof positive that OHSAA colluded with LaSalle to go after Massillon. They should have put the LaSalle AD and OHSAA Commissioner Debbie Moore on the stand and have them admit to their actions under oath. Those two were clearly scared to death to do that, so they backed down. Instead of letting them off the hook with a face-saving settlement, Massillon should have insisted on the following terms:
- Waiving all penalties imposed in the initial ruling.
- Personal and public apologies to Thayer Munford, his mother, Nate Moore, and the Massillon school system.
- Reimbursement of all fees and expenses pursuant to the suit.
- The immediate resignation of LaSalle's AD.
- The immediate resignation of Debbie Moore.


Actually, you are. Those punishments you listed were never imposed.
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Yep!! The minute Massillon called for Debbie Moore to testify, they immediately stopped the hearing and went into closed door discussion. Massillon should have forced their hand. And made her testify. They had her emails to the Lasalle AD in hand.
 
Oil Filter said:
Those punishments you listed were never imposed.
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Yeah the only thing that resulted from that was Nate Moore was not eligible to coach in the post season (maybe only week 1?). Someone refresh my recollection - This was a case where Massillon self reported the situation which then blew up on them and the player in question did not play in weeks 1-5 which I thought was imposed by Massillon. There were not several players involved.
I agree the school Administration should never have settled the case.
 
Crimson and Black said:
One of the the things D1 recruiters are looking for is how a kid was coached and developed at the high school level. Particularly to see if they are ready to play or contribute immediately. It’s no coincidence that most of these great college players come from great HS programs. Yes if you’re good enough they will find you. But they find you a lot easier and a lot quicker at top programs. Believe this, the youngster in question is getting a lot more looks at Massillon than if he stayed at Copley. He will be much further ahead of the curve leaving Massillon as opposed to Copley.
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I think the two copley kids would be in a similar situation. The LB would have gotten a MAC offer and the QB would have the same offers he has now. They would own the suburban league and would make a deep playoff run in D3 and lose late in the playoffs. No different than what is going to happen at Massillon in D2.
 
Ohiofootball76 said:
I think the two copley kids would be in a similar situation. The LB would have gotten a MAC offer and the QB would have the same offers he has now. They would own the suburban league and would make a deep playoff run in D3 and lose late in the playoffs. No different than what is going to happen at Massillon in D2.
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Ohiofootball76 said:
Oh... and Copley is a solid academic school. They are not on the same level as McKinley/Massillon/Buchtel as failing school districts. Kids would be better off in the long run.
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Are you drinking again? Get lost.
 
MassillonKenn said:
Yeah the only thing that resulted from that was Nate Moore was not eligible to coach in the post season (maybe only week 1?).
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Yep, it was one week. Massillon just happened to take the gaspipe against Scioto so that was the entirety of their playoff run.

As for the rest of it... Quote-boy should be a little more mindful about a cut-and-paste Google drop that's not accompanied by overarching knowledge.
 
Oil Filter said:
IMHO, Massillon bodged their response…
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You are right. However, OHSAA is able and willing to make things difficult for anyone who challenges them too strongly so we will concede certain things we do not have to because of that. Which is understandable.
MassillonKenn said:
Yeah the only thing that resulted from that was Nate Moore was not eligible to coach in the post season (maybe only week 1?). Someone refresh my recollection - This was a case where Massillon self reported the situation which then blew up on them and the player in question did not play in weeks 1-5 which I thought was imposed by Massillon. There were not several players involved.
I agree the school Administration should never have settled the case.
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My recollection is back then transfers had to sit out the 1st half of the season. But they felt it wasn’t punitive enough so they've since changed it to sitting out 2nd half.
 
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Ohiofootball76 said:
I think the two copley kids would be in a similar situation. The LB would have gotten a MAC offer and the QB would have the same offers he has now. They would own the suburban league and would make a deep playoff run in D3 and lose late in the playoffs. No different than what is going to happen at Massillon in D2.
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You don’t even believe what you’re saying.
 
Ohiofootball76 said:
I think the two copley kids would be in a similar situation. The LB would have gotten a MAC offer and the QB would have the same offers he has now. They would own the suburban league and would make a deep playoff run in D3 and lose late in the playoffs. No different than what is going to happen at Massillon in D2.
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I think you could be right about the offers but dominating the Suburban and winning multiple games in Region 9 is fan fiction lmao
 
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