OHSAA looking at Massillon transfer app

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MassillonTigers3 said:
I know that many people want to believe that “they’ll find you anywhere”, and that statement has become more true in the modern era, but playing at a good program and against other good programs still matters. Frankly, it matters more so in football as well because unlike baseball and basketball and individual sports you can’t go play on some AAU or travel team in the offseason to showcase yourself on a bigger stage or in front of college coaches.
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You are correct as basketball and baseball are far different. I'd just think an all state player as a junior would get noticed, evidently I'm wrong and you have to attend a high profile football program for this.
 
bass10 said:
You are correct as basketball and baseball are far different. I'd just think an all state player as a junior would get noticed, evidently I'm wrong and you have to attend a high profile football program for this.
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Well whether they have to or not, they do. In baseball, basketball, girls sports, wrestling, football, and in the Federal League. You don't have to like it it's a free country.
 
Another factor at play is the transfer portal in college and how many colleges are choosing to fill their roster with transfers rather than high school recruits.
If you’re a college coach and your job is on the line do you offer the kid who plays and is successful at a big time program and you know he plays high level competition and receives good coaching or the kid who puts up huge numbers at a lower level or against bad competition with suspect coaching??
 
hammer89 said:
No. The OHSAA doesn’t want people moving just for athletics. The phrase they use is “the move precipitates the transfer, the transfer should not precipitate the move.”
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It should be none of the OHSAA's business why a family moves or when, or why a family transfers their child or when. Kids ought to be able to participate in any extra-curricular activity at the school they attend. Period.
 
bass10 said:
You are correct as basketball and baseball are far different. I'd just think an all state player as a junior would get noticed, evidently I'm wrong and you have to attend a high profile football program for this.
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I would have thought that after 5 weeks of playing at such a high profile program against such an amazing schedule, there'd be more than just a D2 Ashland scholarship offer. I'm sure Ryan Day, Saban, Dabo, Lou Holtz, etc have just been busy
 
MassillonTigers3 said:
Another factor at play is the transfer portal in college and how many colleges are choosing to fill their roster with transfers rather than high school recruits.
If you’re a college coach and your job is on the line do you offer the kid who plays and is successful at a big time program and you know he plays high level competition and receives good coaching or the kid who puts up huge numbers at a lower level or against bad competition with suspect coaching??
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That is not how college football recruiting works. Coaches do not offer the best HS players the scholarship. They offer who they think will be the best college football player the scholarship i.e projection. I can't tell you how many times I saw the lean 6-1 210 MLB who can't make a tackle to save his life get P5 offers from numerous schools and be a 4 star recruit while his 5'9 180 MLB teammate make a ton of tackles and go D3. That story happens way more often than your story of playing the best and performing well against the best goes.
 
TigerPaw said:
Well whether they have to or not, they do. In baseball, basketball, girls sports, wrestling, football, and in the Federal League. You don't have to like it it's a free country.
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Well I could probably name quite a few kids but maybe start with the 5 star QB that went to Medina and is starting at Penn State. Or maybe the WR from Tallmadge that went to Wisconsin. If you want more I can probably go on?
 
Oil Filter said:
However, it's indisputable that performing at a high level playing Massillon's schedule means a whole lot more than it would playing Copley's schedule.
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Now just wait a freaking minute. So you are saying that watching an athlete perform EXTREMELY well against St. Ed's and Valdosta Georgia, is different than performing the same way against Cuyahoga Falls and Kent Roosevelt?
 
bass10 said:
You are correct as basketball and baseball are far different. I'd just think an all state player as a junior would get noticed, evidently I'm wrong and you have to attend a high profile football program for this.
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No one said he didn't get noticed, but he might have been on the bubble.

Answer the straight question: do you think that playing at Copley would give a college program the same confidence in their assessment as playing at Massillon, Hoban, St. Ed, etc.?
 
MassillonTigers3 said:
Another factor at play is the transfer portal in college and how many colleges are choosing to fill their roster with transfers rather than high school recruits.
If you’re a college coach and your job is on the line do you offer the kid who plays and is successful at a big time program and you know he plays high level competition and receives good coaching or the kid who puts up huge numbers at a lower level or against bad competition with suspect coaching??
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I was reading about that the other day. There's a school of thought that says college recruiting is becoming less important because a) programs figure that they're wasting schollies on some number of kids because they're just going to leave after a year or two, and b) a portal player is more of a proven commodity than a high-school recruit. The upshot is that the players who might be at the tail end of the recruiting class are getting shut out, because the school is saving those schollies for transfers.
 
Benchboss1 said:
Now just wait a freaking minute. So you are saying that watching an athlete perform EXTREMELY well against St. Ed's and Valdosta Georgia, is different than performing the same way against Cuyahoga Falls and Kent Roosevelt?
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I may have been a bit hasty in my assessment. Clearly showing out against Revere is more telling than how you play against Hoban or Avon.
 
Mikefln said:
That is not how college football recruiting works. Coaches do not offer the best HS players the scholarship. They offer who they think will be the best college football player the scholarship i.e projection. I can't tell you how many times I saw the lean 6-1 210 MLB who can't make a tackle to save his life get P5 offers from numerous schools and be a 4 star recruit while his 5'9 180 MLB teammate make a ton of tackles and go D3. That story happens way more often than your story of playing the best and performing well against the best goes.
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Well that’s kind of an extreme scenario because obviously big time colleges aren’t offering 5’9 linebackers no matter how productive they are. I’m talking about in general when you’re looking at prospects (obviously the ones who you think project as future college players) you’re gonna be more likely to lean towards the kids who show that they can compete against good competition…aka other future college players
 
MickeyMantle said:
It should be none of the OHSAA's business why a family moves or when, or why a family transfers their child or when. Kids ought to be able to participate in any extra-curricular activity at the school they attend. Period.
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While I agree with you, it appears that the LaSalle administration does not. Remember who instigated the Thayer Munford kerfluffle?
 
Benchboss1 said:
Now just wait a freaking minute. So you are saying that watching an athlete perform EXTREMELY well against St. Ed's and Valdosta Georgia, is different than performing the same way against Cuyahoga Falls and Kent Roosevelt?
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those "Massillon" stars like Jamir Thomas, Terrance Keyes, Myron Welch, Kyree Young, Hartson, etc must have really enjoyed their big time scholarships from playing at Massillon.

Owens is lucky to have a couple weeks off, Moore will be running his head in a concrete wall 20-30 times a game soon enough
 
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BigSack said:
those "Massillon" stars like Jamir Thomas, Terrance Keyes, Myron Welch, Kyree Young, Hartson, etc must have really enjoyed their big time scholarships from playing at Massillon.

Owens is lucky to have a couple weeks off, Moore will be running his head in a concrete wall 20-30 times a game soon enough
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We could check with Chris Spielman, Craig Johnson, Justin Zwick and Kyle Kempt if you would like.
 
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