Whether or not the program needs a new voice or not, you don't move on from Tom Ryan without a belief you can find someone better.The problem I have with the comment "nobody better" how do you know? ( Please do not come back with name one) I'm not in the business to recruit head coaches to come to OSU. The program needs a new voice. Ryan is #1 in recruiting kids to come to OSU. Keeping them is a different story. Ryan is a recruiter. Period! His staff around him has done a terrible job with ALL the talent Ryan recruits for them.
MPhillips no you have never hammered me. It's amazing how blind OSU fans can be. A new voice and leadership is needed and has been for a few years. IMO.
typically respect your opinion on here so i will askThe problem I have with the comment "nobody better" how do you know? ( Please do not come back with name one) I'm not in the business to recruit head coaches to come to OSU. The program needs a new voice. Ryan is #1 in recruiting kids to come to OSU. Keeping them is a different story. Ryan is a recruiter. Period! His staff around him has done a terrible job with ALL the talent Ryan recruits for them.
MPhillips no you have never hammered me. It's amazing how blind OSU fans can be. A new voice and leadership is needed and has been for a few years. IMO.
Do you know they didn't?FYI, If I were the Buckeyes, I would have gone after Fishback with everything I had.
Truthfully no, but why would he go out of state to NC State over a “powerhouse” school if they did? But again, maybe they did but doubt it.Do you know they didn't?
NCST Coaches got in very early with him and he committed and didn't wavier based on their strong relationship. If you can find the video he speaks to it briefly following his National Title match vs Seth Shumate summer before last.Do you know they didn't?
85-10 at the D1 level…I’d give him a pass if he went up a weight class, but he hasn’t.
And won’t finish higher than he did his freshman year., Thus proving my point. Hasn’t gotten any better. Still a great career so far, and I hope he gets a championship.85-10 at the D1 level…
Geog,Shumate,Fishback... All legit and OSU got 2 of 3. IMO all three could challenge for a title at some point.Developing those recruits is another story. Been some developed, but more that’s fallen flat. Injuries have also ravished them. Guess we will find out come March.
FYI, If I were the Buckeyes, I would have gone after Fishback with everything I had.
Geog,Shumate,Fishback... All legit and OSU got 2 of 3. IMO all three could challenge for a title at some point.
184 Romero, Kaleb SR
184 Shumate, Seth FR
184 Bell, Gavin SO
197 Hoffman, Gavin JR
197 Geog, Luke FR
197 Boykin, Nicholas SO
197 Stein, Tyler SO
You mean better than the runner up finish against a weakened field?And won’t finish higher than he did his freshman year., Thus proving my point. Hasn’t gotten any better. Still a great career so far, and I hope he gets a championship.
I think he may need to go up a weight class. Sucking down to 149 maybe to much now.I’d give him a pass if he went up a weight class, but he hasn’t.
I obviously have no crystal ball, but I personally think Fishback is quite a bit better than Shumate, and his overall ceiling is much higher. Nothing against Shumate personally, but I actually do not think he ever sniffs a podium his entire career at Ohio State. I think Fishback, however, definitely will. Again, just a posters prediction. As for Geog, he actually has my attention. I would not be surprised one bit if became an AA during his career - if not more.Geog,Shumate,Fishback... All legit and OSU got 2 of 3. IMO all three could challenge for a title at some point.
Buckeye commits at 184/197I obviously have no crystal ball, but I personally think Fishback is quite a bit better than Shumate, and his overall ceiling is much higher. Nothing against Shumate personally, but I actually do not think he ever sniffs a podium his entire career at Ohio State. I think Fishback, however, definitely will. Again, just a posters prediction. As for Geog, he actually has my attention. I would not be surprised one bit if became an AA during his career - if not more.
Highly successful HS career and already a quality win over John Poznanski, himself a 2x NQ and 4th place AA. You may want to reconsider that statement.Nothing against Shumate personally, but I actually do not think he ever sniffs a podium his entire career at Ohio State.
I mean, I'm not rooting against him. If I am wrong, I will gladly be wrong. I do not wish for someone's downfall just so I can be right on a meaningless forum. I do stand by what I said, and if in the future I have to eat crow, I will own it.Highly successful HS career and already a quality win over John Poznanski, himself a 2x NQ and 4th place AA. You may want to reconsider that statement.
If I was in charge of OSU wrestling, I would bring in new coaches including a new head coach. I would try to retain Ryan to recruit.(Head up wrestling at OSU) That's what he does best. He gets quality kids to come to OSU. It's been said more than once on the Big10 network, Ryan is a great CEO. Meaning heading up wrestling at OSU. In terms of coaching kids (and staff) that leaves a lot to be desired. Thank you for having respect for my thoughts.typically respect your opinion on here so i will ask
Do you think its a change at the top thats needed or do you think its a staff change? Earlier felt like you were calling for Ryans head but this post felt more like a staff change.
I personally want to see how things play out, the buckeyes seem to perform very well in march!
I mean, I'm not rooting against him. If I am wrong, I will gladly be wrong. I do not wish for someone's downfall just so I can be right on a meaningless forum. I do stand by what I said, and if in the future I have to eat crow, I will own it.
In my opinion most of the highly ranked recruits have developed before even getting to college. The great ones like Lee, Taylor, Steiber, etc are so great that they can and will continue to win after reaching their peak. Guys like Kollin Moore, Tariq Wilson, and the many others that reach their ceiling later are the true gems you find as far as recruiting. I am going to say Geog is going to be a gem as well.Maybe you are a better evaluator of talent than I, but I ’m curious, what have you observed that would lead you to this opinion 2 months into his RS freshman season? Are their holes in his game that I’m just not seeing, because I happen to think that he has huge upside. He’s strong, quick , athletic, and 184 seems to be the right weight for him. He had about the best HS career one could possibly have. He’s having a very good redshirt year @ 7-1 so far with a recent win over Big 10 bronze medalist and AA from Rutgers. Word around the RTC is that he has a great work ethic, he’s a humble kid, and by all accounts a good citizen and a good student.
I get it, he lost Geog- who happens to be also be really good. I get it he lost to Fishback 2 years ago @ Fargo- who is also tremendous.
Let the kid develop, that’s what a redshirt year is for.