Ohio State @ Notre Dame

LELL said:
I agree, but again, you're saying those who make great money don't make mistakes.
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I have said a million times I could care less what a coach does in his personal life (lot of people have screwed up personal lives) whether he is a nice guy or not, but when you get pd. the money these guys get pd. you need to make good decisions most of the time (not all) and you should have somebody counting to 11. Again if this happened to Day, OSU fans including myself would be crucifying him. But I do hope ND beats SC.
 
nwwarrior09 said:
Ryan Day would be getting murdered on all of the local sports talk shows today if he made the screwups Notre Dame did in the last few minutes of the game.
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As he should be, right? If Freeman isn’t it’s mostly because he is new to the head coaching thing. But I haven’t seen anyone giving him a pass.
 
Omar said:
How do you communicate that to your D in that situation?
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When I played there was always a low level assistant coach in the booth who was responsible for the logistics of the situation; down, distance, location on the hash, TOs left, changes to opponents personnel package, etc... and they would be planted between the primary booth coaches, some also call this person the spotter. If you note many coaches have these big spreadsheets so they can quickly process all this info to narrow the available plays for any given situation. On the field there is so much commotion going on it is tough to manage all this info in the time allotted by the play clock so this guy should have been screaming we only have 10 players and no TOs on the 1, take the penalty. If he didn't catch this shame on him, if Coach Freeman did have this info and did not take a penalty when informed shame on him.
 
Omar said:
If that’s what he needed to motivate his team, he is soft. Again, half you mother f’ers on here have said the same thing.
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Any decent coach, or former coach, doesn’t take a chance of making a public statement that could motivate the opponent. I like Holtz, but that was a dumb statement
 
It was a dipchit take from a former coach. I don't think I've ever seen a former coach turned talking head try to crap on a current coach, college or pro football, like that before. At least not to that extent. He basically rolled off every game Day's ever lost and said he lost those games because he's a soft b*tch.

Lou left almost as many programs on probation in his coaching career as Day has total losses at this point...and yes, that is an actual factual stat. I would be pissed as well if some past expiration date jabroni like that was trying to stuff me in a locker on national television.
 
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Auggie said:
When I played there was always a low level assistant coach in the booth who was responsible for the logistics of the situation; down, distance, location on the hash, TOs left, changes to opponents personnel package, etc... and they would be planted between the primary booth coaches, some also call this person the spotter. If you note many coaches have these big spreadsheets so they can quickly process all this info to narrow the available plays for any given situation. On the field there is so much commotion going on it is tough to manage all this info in the time allotted by the play clock so this guy should have been screaming we only have 10 players and no TOs on the 1, take the penalty. If he didn't catch this shame on him, if Coach Freeman did have this info and did not take a penalty when informed shame on him.
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I’m sure they have personnel packages with names they shout out. I’m guessing either no one shouted out, or that D end didn’t hear, and no one helped him hear.
 
nwwarrior09 said:
It was a dipchit take from a former coach. I don't think I've ever seen a former coach turned talking head try to crap on a current coach, college or pro football, like that before. At least not to that extent. He basically rolled off every game Day's ever lost and said he lost because he's a soft b*tch.
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Lou proved once again to be a master motivator.
 
Hammerdrill said:
No. We have been terrible at short yardage for some time. And we didn’t lose because of that.
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Everyone is terrible at short yardage. Lol. I watched it on Sunday. Very few teams, college or pro, have it figured out.

Somewhere there is some HS, college, or pro coach who has the answer.

I will suggest that the QB sneak is the most foolproof answer. The Phila Eagles have figured this out with Jalen Hurts. The QB goes under center, he is 3-4 feet from a first down, he can go straight or the 1 or 2 gap (whichever interior lineman or C-G combo he likes best), he can get a push from his RB - and if he doesn't get it, rinse/repeat on 4th (if the field position allows for it) because he probably only needs 6".

When I see a QB in shotgun on 3rd or 4th and 1, I declare that team's offensive coaches idiots. They are begging to get stuffed for a 2 yard loss if they run the ball between the tackles. They can and should pass from that formation - but they are choosing a higher risk play over the more sure thing (QB sneak).

Some coaches, when questioned on this will say, "We don't practice the under center QB sneak - that's why we didn't do it." Well, practice the damn thing! My goodness.

Not that I feel strongly about this. 😀
 
IVCguy said:
Everyone is terrible at short yardage. Lol. I watched it on Sunday. Very few teams, college or pro, have it figured out.

Somewhere there is some HS, college, or pro coach who has the answer.

I will suggest that the QB sneak is the most foolproof answer. The Phila Eagles have figured this out with Jalen Hurts. The QB goes under center, he is 3-4 feet from a first down, he can go straight or the 1 or 2 gap (whichever interior lineman or C-G combo he likes best), he can get a push from his RB - and if he doesn't get it, rinse/repeat on 4th (if the field position allows for it) because he probably only needs 6".

When I see a QB in shotgun on 3rd or 4th and 1, I declare that team's offensive coaches idiots. They are begging to get stuffed for a 2 yard loss if they run the ball between the tackles. They can and should pass from that formation - but they are choosing a higher risk play over the more sure thing (QB sneak).

Some coaches, when questioned on this will say, "We don't practice the under center QB sneak - that's why we didn't do it." Well, practice the damn thing! My goodness.

Not that I feel strongly about this. 😀
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That is because it is not all that easy to convert on 4th and 1, we just see more NFL coaches going for it on 4th and short in their own territory, which IMO is dumb. The risk of not getting a 4th in short in your own territory far outweighs the reward.
 
IVCguy said:
Everyone is terrible at short yardage. Lol. I watched it on Sunday. Very few teams, college or pro, have it figured out.

Somewhere there is some HS, college, or pro coach who has the answer.

I will suggest that the QB sneak is the most foolproof answer. The Phila Eagles have figured this out with Jalen Hurts. The QB goes under center, he is 3-4 feet from a first down, he can go straight or the 1 or 2 gap (whichever interior lineman or C-G combo he likes best), he can get a push from his RB - and if he doesn't get it, rinse/repeat on 4th (if the field position allows for it) because he probably only needs 6".

When I see a QB in shotgun on 3rd or 4th and 1, I declare that team's offensive coaches idiots. They are begging to get stuffed for a 2 yard loss if they run the ball between the tackles. They can and should pass from that formation - but they are choosing a higher risk play over the more sure thing (QB sneak).

Some coaches, when questioned on this will say, "We don't practice the under center QB sneak - that's why we didn't do it." Well, practice the damn thing! My goodness.

Not that I feel strongly about this. 😀
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The most effective short yardage package I was a part of was to bunch everyone in tight, go off of 1st sound from the QB with a quick blast up the 1 or 2 gap from the FB. The QB sneak also works in this but the FB is usually a bigger guy and he gets an extra head of steam for the push. The best thing though is after a couple of these during the course of the game you do a "no go" in a key spot later in the game, center gives the ball a slight squeeze which is undetected by the ref and the interior DTs were almost always jumping off side for an easy 5 yards.
 
IVCguy said:
Everyone is terrible at short yardage. Lol. I watched it on Sunday. Very few teams, college or pro, have it figured out.

Somewhere there is some HS, college, or pro coach who has the answer.

I will suggest that the QB sneak is the most foolproof answer. The Phila Eagles have figured this out with Jalen Hurts. The QB goes under center, he is 3-4 feet from a first down, he can go straight or the 1 or 2 gap (whichever interior lineman or C-G combo he likes best), he can get a push from his RB - and if he doesn't get it, rinse/repeat on 4th (if the field position allows for it) because he probably only needs 6".

When I see a QB in shotgun on 3rd or 4th and 1, I declare that team's offensive coaches idiots. They are begging to get stuffed for a 2 yard loss if they run the ball between the tackles. They can and should pass from that formation - but they are choosing a higher risk play over the more sure thing (QB sneak).

Some coaches, when questioned on this will say, "We don't practice the under center QB sneak - that's why we didn't do it." Well, practice the damn thing! My goodness.

Not that I feel strongly about this. 😀
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Yep. And Ohio State does go under center so they don’t have that excuse.
 
According to the ND beat writer for the Athletic, Freeman and the coaches didn't know they were down a player and because Ohio State subbed they would have been able to sub themselves without a penalty:

theathletic.com

Sampson: Notre Dame’s coaches got in the players' way against Ohio State

Ohio State was there for the taking Saturday. Notre Dame declined the offer.
theathletic.com theathletic.com

This is the attention to detail that top level coaches speak about.
 
Auggie said:
The most effective short yardage package I was a part of was to bunch everyone in tight, go off of 1st sound from the QB with a quick blast up the 1 or 2 gap from the FB. The QB sneak also works in this but the FB is usually a bigger guy and he gets an extra head of steam for the push. The best thing though is after a couple of these during the course of the game you do a "no go" in a key spot later in the game, center gives the ball a slight squeeze which is undetected by the ref and the interior DTs were almost always jumping off side for an easy 5 yards.
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I hear you. But here is my logic: you hand the ball off to that big FB at an inside gap, and he has the advantage of a head of steam from 3-4 yards from the LOS. But if a 290+ pound DL penetrates the gap, that's a 1 yard loss.

If it's a QB sneak and you add the big back pushing the QB through the gap, even if the QB gets stood up, the extra force of the back pushing him greatly increases the chance of pushing the ball across the line to gain.

I'm committed to the QB sneak in that situation. It's the most direct way, with the least risk, to get a first down. You need only three things to go right - securing the snap, getting a small slot to dive into, and securing the ball during the sneak. Any other scenario adds more steps and risk to the scenario.

You QB sneak 99% of the time in that situation - then that opens up the opportunity to do something different when you really need it. But, as a rule, ignoring the easiest way to move the chains is one of those things coaches do because they are stubborn. If some fat guy sitting in his recliner is saying QB sneak is the play, the OC making 3 million a year can't do that, right? Wrong - if the fat guy is right. Prove your value on other calls, not by dismissing the best call just because it's the obvious thing. FWIW
 
utsherman said:
Whether you agree with Day’s response or not, Holtz said what he said. And I wish people would stop with the ‘poor 86-year old man’ act. I don’t care how old he is. If he makes a decision to go on McAfee’s show and drop a piping hot take, then he should be able to handle the public blowback from Day. He’s clearly using this to motivate his team and create a narrative to rally around in the locker room moving forward.
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I had to let a day go by before I decided how I felt about what Day said post-game.

As an Ohio St fan, you love it. The man loves his team and defended it. You love the "Ohio vs the World" angle because you feel and see that all the time. Heck, they win +20, 28, and 49 - and drop 2 spots in the polls. The criticism and double standards applied to them are absurd.

As Day's PR agent and/or therapist, you wish he would have not personalized it to an octogenarian's comments and kept it directed to the nebulous nattering nabobs of negativism in general. Also, the "Ohio against the World" thing reeks of first world problems. If media, pundits, and other fan bases are actively rooting against your success, it's because you have been having a lot of success, they are tired of you having success, and perceive you have had more than your fair share if success. You would also recognize he was talking mainly to his team, Buckeye fans, and the critics.

As a historian, you would recognize that the octogenarian started it - and then Day had the last word. Seems fair. If octogenarians don't want to get called out publicly, they shouldn't say insulting things about others publicly. But you would also recognize that the Lisper from E Liverpool and Notre Dame had little to do with Day's rant. It had more to do with scUM and Harbaugh's poking at Ohio St as soft the last 2 years and the media reinforcing that narrative ever since.

The historian would also have to note that the "one bad half two years ago" isn't quite true. They have had other less-than-tough moments during that span.

As ND, scUM, and other fans in general, you look at it as evidence of the pettiness and unlikability of Ryan Day.

So, it's an in the eye of the beholder kind of thing, but if you put all of that together, I think you have a balanced and fairly accurate idea of what the rant was and what motivated it.
 
IVCguy said:
I hear you. But here is my logic: you hand the ball off to that big FB at an inside gap, and he has the advantage of a head of steam from 3-4 yards from the LOS. But if a 290+ pound DL penetrates the gap, that's a 1 yard loss.

If it's a QB sneak and you add the big back pushing the QB through the gap, even if the QB gets stood up, the extra force of the back pushing him greatly increases the chance of pushing the ball across the line to gain.

I'm committed to the QB sneak in that situation. It's the most direct way, with the least risk, to get a first down. You need only three things to go right - securing the snap, getting a small slot to dive into, and securing the ball during the sneak. Any other scenario adds more steps and risk to the scenario.

You QB sneak 99% of the time in that situation - then that opens up the opportunity to do something different when you really need it. But, as a rule, ignoring the easiest way to move the chains is one of those things coaches do because they are stubborn. If some fat guy sitting in his recliner is saying QB sneak is the play, the OC making 3 million a year can't do that, right? Wrong - if the fat guy is right. Prove your value on other calls, not by dismissing the best call just because it's the obvious thing. FWIW
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I do agree about the QB sneak. For goodness sakes, get under the center and do the ole pressure hike and get that yard! It's the easiest play in the book for goodness sakes!
 
Fryar probably had the worst game of any Buckeye last week, with the bye this week I wonder if Luke Montgomery gets some reps and maybe see the field against Maryland?
 
I wonder if the Buckeye coaches peruse Yappi for all the nuggets of coaching wisdom. I would encourage them to do so as they’re obviously not in the know on how to coach at this level
 
It was a fantastic game and provided high level entertainment for 3 1/2 hours. I wonder how many posters on here are dads who would go to Applebees after their kids games and rip their coaches with the other dads 😂
 
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