Ohio State Football Championships - Poll vs. Playoff (all recognized by the OHSAA)

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Massillon fans are amused by the trolls that attempt to discredit their tradition by challenging poll titles.

There are many flaws in the playoff format that not only challenge the validity of those titles but the nature of teams composed of all-stars from multiple counties / states. Evidentially the OHSAA has a desire to create a system for a team to replace Massillon as the premier team in the state based on their tradition.

Why else would they allow the parochial and privates to create all-star teams or publics to try and match them with "open enrollment"?

Most fans recognize the legitimacy of different methods of selecting champions, along with their strengths and weaknesses. The Massillon Football Booster Club has addressed that situation and with the poll titles, NO ONE has produced ANY evidence that Massillon poll championships didn't have particular validity because those titles, were a reflection of "on the field performance". Massillon ducked no one and ANY challenge to those titles was quickly met with a date on the schedule, (massillontigers.com)

https://massillontigers.com/1964/09/19/1964-Massillon-14-niles-mckinley-8/

We KNOW that the trolls have no other way to catch Massillon's records, other than by attempting to discredit their tradition. I challenge ANYONE to list any team Massillon ducked, that would challenge ANY poll title they won?

I challenge ANYONE to list any team Massillon ducked, that would challenge ANY poll title they won BEFORE THE PLAYOFF ERA? Also link to your documentation that those or ANY poll title was replaced by the athletic authority recognizing championships for a playoff title.

That is how Massillon's fans view our tradition and championships not by bringing up LEGITIMATE questions about playoff titles! (e.g.: Number of teams qualifying, teams not being seeded statewide for the playoffs, teams not qualify in strong regions, while other that wouldn't, if seeded statewide, qualified)!

We are amused by the trolls, as their posts have NO validity!

http://massillontigers.com/pdfs/Looking Back at the Ohio Football Championships Polls.pdf

http://massillontigers.com/pdfs/Looking Back at the OHSAA Play offs.pdf

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Fools like you will approve ANY manner of replacing Massillon records. OF COURSE AN ALL-STAR team composed of the best players in 7 counties or 3 states will beat traditional teams, composed of players from a single school district.

Just as compelling is the legitimate point of questioning titles of teams who draw from a large area but whose enrollment produce D1 talent, in a MUCH SMALLER state classification, for the playoffs!

Lets see what happens when the publics have the chance to level the playing field, with "open enrollment", or will the OHSAA stop the playoffs from being an all-star showcase?

Ask LaSalle what it's like to get their lunch handed to them (9/3/21: H IMG Academy, Fl. L 7-58)!, by the latest in the evolution of all-star teams. You accuse Massillon for crying when they call attention to the uneven playing field.

The fans of La Salle and other all-star teams (8/27/21: Bergen Catholic, NJ 42 Akron Hoban 7), that got a dose of their own medicine, by a national all-star team, NOW have to admit what's going on.

Do you question their "ON THE FIELD" titles because they obviously can't compete with these teams? NO because it isn't Massillon and you don't have an agenda to destroy their tradition because you can 't equal their records!!!

We're comfortable with the validity of our titles (it's called winning on the field).

We KNOW that the trolls have no other way to catch Massillon's records, other than by attempting to discredit their tradition.

I challenge ANYONE to list any team Massillon ducked, that would challenge ANY poll title they won BEFORE THE PLAYOFF ERA?

Link to your documentation, that those or ANY poll title was replaced by the athletic authority recognizing championships for a playoff title.

NO ONE has produced ANY evidence that Massillon poll championships didn't have particular validity because those titles, were a reflection of "on the field performance". Massillon ducked no one and ANY challenge to those titles was quickly met with a date on the schedule, (massillontigers.com)

That is how Massillon's fans view our tradition and championships not by bringing up LEGITIMATE questions about playoff titles! (e.g.: Number of teams qualifying, teams not being seeded statewide for the playoffs, teams not qualify in strong regions, while other that wouldn't, if seeded statewide, qualified and of course all-star teams)!

We are amused by the trolls, as their posts have NO validity!

YOU AND THE OTHER TROLLS ARE NOBODIES / HATERS that will NEVER refute the legitimacy of Massillon's tradition / titles!!!

 

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OHIO’S NUMBER ONE WINNER——932-299-36——75-53-5 (Massillon vs. Canton)🛎🛎🛎🛎🛎🛎🛎
—————————24—State Championships———9—National Championships———————-———

Too bad YOUR A NOBODY, who has no credibility or authority to determine who the state recognizes as state champions, in any sport. Since the state finals program recognizes poll championships and have never ONCE challenged those titles, by vacating them and naming other champions, your "SICK OBESSION" to challenge them, gains you NOTHING.

When the playoffs started the allstar teams saw the only chance they had to catch Massillon's record number of titles. They had a foolproof system of building teams from multiple states and when that was prohibited, multiple counties.

None of these teams were able to maintain their dominance because of various reasons (e.g.: coaches leaving / retiring, other allstar teams being able to build better teams because of better coaches, facilities, with those teams beating those allstars teams because they were unable to schedule most traditionally based teams and had to schedule each other).
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Ignorant people. like you, thought, we'd let you make / set the premise, for whether a title counted and of course, if we drew from outside a traditional school district, we were dismissed as recruiting. I knew when I attended a St. Ignatius game and they listed 55 different feeder systems, from seven counties, that their players came from, how uneven the playing field was.

What type of teams would Massillon field in all sports, if they consolidated with schools they previously drew from?! (Jackson, Perry, Tuslaw and Fairless).

You're wasting your time on the internet 24/7, thinking you'll touch Massillon's tradition. You haven't made a legitimate point yet!

It was first determined that Moeller also, along with a larger home population base in Ohio, were drawing players from multiple states.

When Nate Moore arrived, he understood what the problem was and how to even the discrepancy in talent. Through "open enrollment" he has evened the playing field, faster than most expected. How long it will take to be competitive yearly, is the last step he needs to take and after beating D1 state champion St. Eds last year, it looks like he will have the team on a even playing field, before he moves on or retires.

Next, those that try to replace polls titles with playoffs, need to check the link with information originally posted on the Massillon Football Booster Club site and now on the OHSAA site (https://www.ohsaa.org/sports/history/tim-hudak-features/football).

This documents the state's understanding of the issues involving the legitimacy of the titles determined during all the eras. Issues questioning each method are understood and presented. This validates all titles won and why trolls refuse to research and understand the total issues involved. That of course is a result of Massillon's tradition and records which go unchallenged, no matter which system is in place!. They had posted the major points of determining football titles in Ohio and are a solid research resource, to basic a sound argument / response on the topic.

The playoffs in Ohio began with a minimal amount of teams qualifying, by region, which is one of their major flaws, that questions their validity, as much as any poll championship. Four teams qualifying in each division, determined by regional ranking, allows teams from weaker regions to qualify, over teams from strong regions, into a very limited playoff field. That was / is fact and a major flaw of the playoff system.

Your ignorance of how the poll titles were determined and their validity follows, the hypocrisy of not also criticizing Rockne, Wilkinson, Bryant and Hayes poll titles and only focusing your hate on Massillon.

You either are ignorant or a blind, hating fool, if you criticize Massillon's titles because they are validated by the state, schedule (conference affiliation, and notoriety of coaches and players). Name ANY team Massillon ducked when winning those championships?! Check Massillon's schedules' @ massillontigers.com and point out any team they ducked!

Massillon played in one of the best conferences in the state, whose teams yearly were ranked among the top team in the state. In addition they played any challengers to their titles, in their open, non conference schedule. Any challenge to a poll title that wasn't met by scheduling that team almost immediately and the team's position, in the polls reflected it. I remember teams that Massillon even scrimmaged when they didn't have an open spot on the schedule.

Has a computer based playoff system been established that can effectively account for ALL the significant factors, that can perfectly select the best team or teams qualifying for or naming a state champion?

The NCAA starts meetings with a select group of qualified experts, to create a poll of teams for their championship playoffs. Strength of schedule and quality wins are the primary factors determining the poll rankings (no different than how Ohio Poll rankings either reflect an accurate assessment of a teams performance or are discounted for that point).

That further destroys the validity of your position and labels you for exactly what you are! A POLL, that isn't solely, a computer based system, is their preferred method of, setting up their championship playoffs!

Since your hate is based on that premise only, your posts reflect it, because if you were the least bit knowledgeable about the subject, you would understand the validity of poll championships.

Instead you prove NOTHING but fact less HATE!

OHIO’S NUMBER ONE WINNER——932-299-36——75-53-5 (Massillon vs. Canton)🛎🛎🛎🛎🛎🛎🛎
—————————24—State Championships———9—National Championships———————-———