RollingTrain
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Only two of those schools are in the Mad River. And any attendance jump playing NW and Shawnee would be offset by the putrid crowd of Ben Logan and North Union.
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nwwarrior09
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Greenon is going to come out ahead on the gate side playing NW and Shawnee, and I assume, Kenton Ridge, Tecumseh, or Bethel as that crossover. Probably only had Greeneview as a good or reliable OHC divisional gate, and I’d probably argue bad gates against far flung Ben Logan and North Union are a wash compared to the lesser of the OHC South gates.
nwwarrior09
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The OHC schools that are “upset” seem more so upset about losing a short trip and adding a long crossover (Riverside) than anything related to competition.
I’m not sure I’d say weaken the league. To me this league improves with fewer crossovers. For most schools the added divisional opponent in most sports will be better than playing (insert school) from the other division; whether that’s getting a slightly better opponent if a Kenton Trail school or avoiding a butt whooping if a Mad River school. The crossover set up as is overwhelmingly does not benefit most members aside from any good gates with crossover county opponents.
footballsalads43
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Greenon I’m sure can make up for the bad gates against those two with their non-conference games.
ghsknightsfan
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looking at 2027, Greenon will have Bethel, Shawnee, and Northwestern on the schedule. i’m not sure which are home, but those are all big gates.
Ben Logan, Indian Lake, and North Union are likely to be no worse than Madison Plains and Southeastern, etc.
Greenon will also have 3 weeks open where they can schedule Tecumseh, Kenton Ridge, Northeastern, Greeneview, etc as they see fit.
Greenon’s football schedule will hardly, if at all, get tougher playing the the CBC Mad River.
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Gamma Gobbler
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Meh.....I am kind of warming to the idea of GreeNON begin again in the CBC; after all that is their roots.
Gift me a case or two and I can probably come up with why each and every CBC school has sucked arse at some point in time. Does Greenon really weaken the conference? Really? As far as gates go, it is a benefit Clark County schools play each other, sans Springfield... Can't speak much to why BL is what they are but that has always been, other than homecoming and Sr. Night. North Onion pulls good home gates, don't necessarily travel well but neither does Trotwood. Your point being?
IMO, the OHC has moved on. Then again, maybe your argument is best suited for the CBC thread on page gazzilion than the OHC thread on page 1.
Just spit balling GreeNON gives the other Green a run for their money this year and takes the South....funny, neither GreeNon or Greenview has Green as a school color. What's up with that?
dograt
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Are we sure Bethel is bringing a big gate? They sure didn't bring a crowd to Milton-Union. bethel to Greenon might be 5 minutes closer than Bethel to MU?
There is absolutely zero chance this was about gate money, lol. Let's be honest, a SCC/Greenon gate vs a Northwestern/Greenon gate isn't enough of a difference to justify leaving a conference.
Better athletics bring higher gates. And I'm not saying that to be rude to Greenon or anyone else. If you're not putting something out there that the community is excited about, the community isn't going to come out.
If ticket sales are a problem, it's usually because the HOME attendance is down. And if the HOME attendance is down, it's because you're not performing.
Greenon didn't leave the OHC because they are projecting selling 30 more tickets a contest because Ben Logan has 10 more kids on their team than Cedarville. I assure you.
Better athletics bring higher gates. And I'm not saying that to be rude to Greenon or anyone else. If you're not putting something out there that the community is excited about, the community isn't going to come out.
If ticket sales are a problem, it's usually because the HOME attendance is down. And if the HOME attendance is down, it's because you're not performing.
Greenon didn't leave the OHC because they are projecting selling 30 more tickets a contest because Ben Logan has 10 more kids on their team than Cedarville. I assure you.
Gamma Gobbler
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That is probably about the truest statement made. I remember John Hill, former coach at Greenon, retired Principle at KR, paraphrasing, if you want to pass a school levy you better win on Friday night because that is the last thing voters will read about concerning the state of the school before they vote.
Bless Em All
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No way. Bethel doesn’t travel because they lose most of the time. Too many Huber Height fair weather fans.
Rickybobby2468
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What did he have to say about passing a levy in the spring?
ghsknightsfan
love the Knights and Grey Ghosts!
i am sure they are bringing better gates than Springfield Catholic Central and Cedarville.
My relatives at Bethel are happy about the move. But say don’t expect any crowd from Bethel. As a whole the district just doesn’t care about sports,there is a large immigrant population that is uninvolved in any sports. Until that changes they see Bethel sports to continue being mediocre and struggling in the CBC.
footballsalads43
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Football will be struggling hard, but all their other sports will be fine most likely. They already compete quite well against CBC KT teams in many sports (just not football).
Gamma Gobbler
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I don't recall if he ever did but football is played in the fall... so there is that.
I do know at that time Greenon had one, three station Nautilus weight machine that was in the little gym, aka wrestling room and was mainly used as a place to put boxes and stuff. Eventually moved to the maintenance garage. I think the coaches used it more than the kids. Again, at that time Greenon had some of the biggest kids around, I would venture to say the O and D lines averaged 260 and had some skill athletes with speed. However, the O scheme was an unremarkable double tight T or Power I, maybe passed 5-6 times a game and the D was a base 5-2, Cover 3....no adjustments, like ever. Not that you cannot win with that but Greenon could not. Then getting freight trained by Fairborn in week 1 and then again in week 2 by Yellow Springs, kind of set the tone for the season and the attendance was horrible after those two weeks. Considering the age of the community, military population and the dismal athletic success, there was not a warm fuzzy around the school system. Can winning football games sway voters? Yeah, no, I doubt it but I took it as a motivation mostly for parents to advocate in the community about being excited for the school system and trying to get levies passed. Did it work? NOPE. Take it as a, "if you ain't first, you're last".
Anyway, going back to what @wls_color stated, "better athletics bring higher gates" and I find that to be true. I see Greenon having decent gates closing out the OHC run and then again as a novelty entering into the CBC. After that, it's up to them to better their athletics for higher gates.
SCC posted their schedule on Facebook and this is the first time I paid any attention to the schedule. My guess is the Irish could go 3-0 to start the season. They start at Bradford and then get Troy Christian at home before Triad. After that it gets bad with WL-S then West Jeff. Maybe the most interesting game will be when Jim Dimitroff brings SE to beautiful Hallinean field. On the whole a 4-6 or 5-5 record with a new coach would likely be a successful season .
ghsknightsfan
love the Knights and Grey Ghosts!
The hire that SCC made is one of the more intriguing ones i’ve seen. it’s rare to see an Asst. coach from a large, suburban school leave for a HC job at a small catholic school. i don’t think he had a connection to the school, either. I have no idea what’s in store for the Irish this year, but how the new coach works out will be intriguing to follow.
I’ve talked to him briefly and he seems like a good guy. I have no idea what attracted him to the job but I wish him all the luck. It will be interesting to see what happens .
If he can pull kids back in from Springifield, it’s a homerun of a first job. And being a Catholic school, there are ways to do that. Haha. A dismal SCC program is a much better first HC job than say a dismal Vanlue HC job. Plenty of fish to try and attract in the Springfield pond.
The Irish were sooooo close to a return a few years back. That freshman class that took their lumps on Fridays was very good until they split up and went elsewhere.
I don’t know that there’s a program in the OHC that I want more to return to conference greatness. Not sure why, the OHC just seemed complete when SCC was battling at the top.
The Irish were sooooo close to a return a few years back. That freshman class that took their lumps on Fridays was very good until they split up and went elsewhere.
I don’t know that there’s a program in the OHC that I want more to return to conference greatness. Not sure why, the OHC just seemed complete when SCC was battling at the top.
Ville45633
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North Predictions
West Jeff 10-0
Burg 8-2
NE 7-3
West Lib 5-5
Fairbanks 5-5
Triad 1-9
South Predictions
GView 7-3
Ville 7-3
Greenon 5-5
Plains 5-5
SE 4-6
SCC 3-7
West Jeff 10-0
Burg 8-2
NE 7-3
West Lib 5-5
Fairbanks 5-5
Triad 1-9
South Predictions
GView 7-3
Ville 7-3
Greenon 5-5
Plains 5-5
SE 4-6
SCC 3-7
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I believe that the best way to judge a conference is from the bottom up. What makes the MAC so good is that the champion is tested almost every week. That strength is proven in the playoff when you see a 12 seed MAC team beat the higher seed on a regular basis. When SCC,C’Ville Triad and other bottom teams improved then the league is improving because they test the WL-S,Fairbanks and W-J. A rising tide floats all boats.
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Burgunbiased
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Heard Burg had 41 players for their first week of camp
Rickybobby2468
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How many will they end the season with? Last few years they have had a few quit throughout the season
Burgunbiased
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I’d say by the start of the season it will be around 35-36. Burg the last couple years have had players quit mid season, between the fact the players/parents didn’t like Forrest or the parents thought their kid was better than everyone else. I hope the program is past that for the most part, I talked to Martin Barker who is the O-line Coach and said this is the first year since he’s been there that, as camp progressed the more kids showed up.
Rickybobby2468
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When did they start camp?
Burgunbiased
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They started on the 26th of May
I guess I was just going off last year when KR beat Bethel 35-3. My point was the CBC Mad River is a gauntlet compared to the OHC South.
The MRD is only getting better too. The CBC MRD could potentially be tougher than the OHC North this year. Shawnee went 1-9 last year, an argument could be made that the only OHC S team they would lose to last season would be Greeneview.
Gamma Gobbler
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Both the OHC, as a whole and the CBC MRD have parity and that can be considered a gauntlet when getting through divisional play. The CBC KTD, is a dog chasing the London tail.
The 1st and last Shawnee games were a microcosm of their season. Missed PAT, return KO TD with no time left and a 2-minute first half melt down summed up their season. They simply could not get out of their own way. Could they have beaten GV? hmmm. More likely they would have lost out to all the OHC S teams.