Mask 3.0

oxat622

oxat622

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SayMyName said:
Again, he's not wrong.
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Really? He's "not talking to me", and yet...
3) Reversal: I am constantly considering whether I am wrong. I apply tests to my thinking: tests of reason, science, history, experience, and wisdom from others. Do you? Never. Because you view yourself as one of the Better Humans. You are smarter and more moral than your Neanderthal conservative opponents. Right? No need for tests - although if your fellow neo-Marxists agree, that gives you a warm fuzzy feeling inside, but leftists substantially agree with one another because that is an essential part of leftism and there are consequences if you think outside of the orthodoxy. Regardless, leftists project what they do and how they think onto others, thus you get absurd rhetoric like this example.
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Those last two I suppose could be the royal you.

Anyway, IVCguy your point #3 is wrong. Read the New Mexico thread. I'm truly asking questions over there. Because I'm not a gun owner, I don't have heightened alertness on gun rights, SCOTUS rulings, etc. The "Neanderthal conservative opponents" (your words) are so triggered, however, that they interpret my questions as actual arguments. 'Oh, he's asking THAT question? He must believe X'. No, you dummies. Take a chill pill and actually debate, for once.

Take the mask argument that we've beaten to death for years. An astute participant on this board would see that I've always left the possibility open that masks don't "work", and I know you see me frequently ask others what their definition of "work" is. Too many seem afraid to answer that, for some reason. But it's an important question, because your definition and mine might be different, and if they are, are we going to find common ground? And no, none of the the many studies that lotr post here prove they don't. I've read the ones that study what aspect of this topic I'm most interested in, and none of them point in the direction that they are ineffective. Some indicate there's no evidence to suggest they are effective, but that's essentially like the distinction between "not guilty" and "innocent".

Again, an astute participant on this boar would see this.
 
SayMyName

SayMyName

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oxat622 said:
Really? He's "not talking to me", and yet...

Those last two I suppose could be the royal you.

Anyway, IVCguy your point #3 is wrong. Read the New Mexico thread. I'm truly asking questions over there. Because I'm not a gun owner, I don't have heightened alertness on gun rights, SCOTUS rulings, etc. The "Neanderthal conservative opponents" (your words) are so triggered, however, that they interpret my questions as actual arguments. 'Oh, he's asking THAT question? He must believe X'. No, you dummies. Take a chill pill and actually debate, for once.

Take the mask argument that we've beaten to death for years. An astute participant on this board would see that I've always left the possibility open that masks don't "work", and I know you see me frequently ask others what their definition of "work" is. Too many seem afraid to answer that, for some reason. But it's an important question, because your definition and mine might be different, and if they are, are we going to find common ground? And no, none of the the many studies that lotr post here prove they don't. I've read the ones that study what aspect of this topic I'm most interested in, and none of them point in the direction that they are ineffective. Some indicate there's no evidence to suggest they are effective, but that's essentially like the distinction between "not guilty" and "innocent".

Again, an astute participant on this boar would see this.
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Like I said, he's not wrong. Hope this helps. It's board..
 
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IVCguy

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oxat622 said:
Way to direct a thread about masks to your hauty idea of faith. That's huge. Congrats.
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No, I directed a thread about masks to your intellectual and moral dishonesty because that is how you are arguing about masks. So, it is directly related, but your mind is such a reflexive slave to this way of thinking that you respond to getting exposed by doubling down on distortion, misrepresentation, lying, distracting, and all the tools. That's what we are seeing here quite plainly, and you seem incapable of ceasing to provide more evidence of it.
 
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I enjoy wrestling

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IVCguy said:
No, I directed a thread about masks to your intellectual and moral dishonesty because that is how you are arguing about masks. So, it is directly related, but your mind is such a reflexive slave to this way of thinking that you respond to getting exposed by doubling down on distortion, misrepresentation, lying, distracting, and all the tools. That's what we are seeing here quite plainly, and you seem incapable of ceasing to provide more evidence of it.
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Word salads.
 
Gulliotine

Gulliotine

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oxat622 said:
An astute participant on this board would see that I've always left the possibility open that masks don't "work"
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Oh, they work...in identifying the betas amongst us! lmao

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oxat622

oxat622

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IVCguy said:
No, I directed a thread about masks to your intellectual and moral dishonesty because that is how you are arguing about masks. So, it is directly related, but your mind is such a reflexive slave to this way of thinking that you respond to getting exposed by doubling down on distortion, misrepresentation, lying, distracting, and all the tools. That's what we are seeing here quite plainly, and you seem incapable of ceasing to provide more evidence of it.
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Please. You guys are such cowards that the moment I challenge any of you to take a step out of your groupthink good ol boys clubs by asking you to explain your positions in more detail, introduce a parallel, or quote me on things you think I've said, you crawl back into a corner like scared hissing possums. But your warped need to be alpha bros won't let you have anything but the last word. Check out Gully's post on this page. I've asked him like five times to quote something he thinks I said and he can't do it. Now he's in his feelings with some alpha/beta complex. I'd actually kinda love it if one of your for once made an honest effort to "expose" my "doubling down" on distortion and blah blah blah, but you're so intellectually bankrupt that you can't do it.
 
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oxat622 said:
Please. You guys are such cowards that the moment I challenge any of you to take a step out of your groupthink good ol boys clubs by asking you to explain your positions in more detail, introduce a parallel, or quote me on things you think I've said, you crawl back into a corner like scared hissing possums. But your warped need to be alpha bros won't let you have anything but the last word. Check out Gully's post on this page. I've asked him like five times to quote something he thinks I said and he can't do it. Now he's in his feelings with some alpha/beta complex. I'd actually kinda love it if one of your for once made an honest effort to "expose" my "doubling down" on distortion and blah blah blah, but you're so intellectually bankrupt that you can't do it.
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You gathered you composure I see. What is the password to get into the club?
 
SayMyName

SayMyName

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oxat622 said:
Please. You guys are such cowards that the moment I challenge any of you to take a step out of your groupthink good ol boys clubs by asking you to explain your positions in more detail, introduce a parallel, or quote me on things you think I've said, you crawl back into a corner like scared hissing possums. But your warped need to be alpha bros won't let you have anything but the last word. Check out Gully's post on this page. I've asked him like five times to quote something he thinks I said and he can't do it. Now he's in his feelings with some alpha/beta complex. I'd actually kinda love it if one of your for once made an honest effort to "expose" my "doubling down" on distortion and blah blah blah, but you're so intellectually bankrupt that you can't do it.
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the amanda show nicksplat GIF
 
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joesports

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oxat622 said:
Please. You guys are such cowards that the moment I challenge any of you to take a step out of your groupthink good ol boys clubs by asking you to explain your positions in more detail, introduce a parallel, or quote me on things you think I've said, you crawl back into a corner like scared hissing possums. But your warped need to be alpha bros won't let you have anything but the last word. Check out Gully's post on this page. I've asked him like five times to quote something he thinks I said and he can't do it. Now he's in his feelings with some alpha/beta complex. I'd actually kinda love it if one of your for once made an honest effort to "expose" my "doubling down" on distortion and blah blah blah, but you're so intellectually bankrupt that you can't do it.
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When asked to explain (with details or proof) they can’t so they revert to memes and insults … MAGA M.O. … just like their hero!
 
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lotr10

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Great article that lays out the science in an easy to understand way:

www.city-journal.org

More Mask Hysteria

As summer turns to fall, the maskaholics are attempting a comeback.
www.city-journal.org www.city-journal.org

At the beginning of a Medal of Honor ceremony last week, President Biden wore a mask. This provided an interesting juxtaposition: a public celebration of extreme courage, coupled with a pointless display of excessive risk-aversion. Biden also demonstrated his aversion to following scientific evidence, the best of which suggests that masks don’t work. In other words, the president was hiding his face from a Medal of Honor winner for nothing. (Biden did shed his mask later in the ceremony, as it was apparently only needed at the start.)

It’s not only in the White House that such mask hysteria reigns. Though masks impair communication and undermine learning, a junior high school in rural Alabama—where just 27 percent of students are proficient in math and 22 percent are proficient in reading—recently mandated masks. Meantime, an elementary school in Silver Spring, Maryland, also mandated masks, distributing KN95s (the Chinese version of N95s) to grade-schoolers. Most (59 percent) of the students in the Maryland school and almost all (96 percent) of those in the Alabama school are minorities. So much for “equity.”

More good stuff:

Yet school-age children—and worse, preschoolers—have been the primary targets of mask mandates. One wonders how long kids will have to suffer so that adults can feel virtuous, or safer, by putting masks on them and obscuring their naturally smiling faces.

Such impoverishment of human social interaction is, of course, the other great cost of mask hysteria. Human beings primarily identify one another by seeing faces; each individual person matters and indeed possesses certain unalienable rights. But the mask hysterics don’t much care about human social interaction, or rights, or the scientific evidence. They are fully committed to perpetuating a myth. That way, apparently, they can feel like they’re in control—of both the virus and you.
 
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19AL63

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I walk into a store or some other public place and see people that are afraid of getting the virus wearing the masks. I can hardly control my urge to walk up to them and thank them for the mask wearing and then remind them from day one it was reported the mask does not stop you from getting the virus it was suppose to stop you from sharing it if you happen to have or are carrying it. Sadly it has been reliably reported now that the mask does little to anything to stop the spread and it never did stop the wear form being in danger of getting it. For my protection please wear the mask. Thanks!!!
 
oxat622

oxat622

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lotr10 said:
Great article that lays out the science in an easy to understand way:

www.city-journal.org

More Mask Hysteria

As summer turns to fall, the maskaholics are attempting a comeback.
www.city-journal.org www.city-journal.org

At the beginning of a Medal of Honor ceremony last week, President Biden wore a mask. This provided an interesting juxtaposition: a public celebration of extreme courage, coupled with a pointless display of excessive risk-aversion. Biden also demonstrated his aversion to following scientific evidence, the best of which suggests that masks don’t work. In other words, the president was hiding his face from a Medal of Honor winner for nothing. (Biden did shed his mask later in the ceremony, as it was apparently only needed at the start.)

It’s not only in the White House that such mask hysteria reigns. Though masks impair communication and undermine learning, a junior high school in rural Alabama—where just 27 percent of students are proficient in math and 22 percent are proficient in reading—recently mandated masks. Meantime, an elementary school in Silver Spring, Maryland, also mandated masks, distributing KN95s (the Chinese version of N95s) to grade-schoolers. Most (59 percent) of the students in the Maryland school and almost all (96 percent) of those in the Alabama school are minorities. So much for “equity.”

More good stuff:

Yet school-age children—and worse, preschoolers—have been the primary targets of mask mandates. One wonders how long kids will have to suffer so that adults can feel virtuous, or safer, by putting masks on them and obscuring their naturally smiling faces.

Such impoverishment of human social interaction is, of course, the other great cost of mask hysteria. Human beings primarily identify one another by seeing faces; each individual person matters and indeed possesses certain unalienable rights. But the mask hysterics don’t much care about human social interaction, or rights, or the scientific evidence. They are fully committed to perpetuating a myth. That way, apparently, they can feel like they’re in control—of both the virus and you.
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If there's easy to understand science in that article, why wouldn't you copy and paste those parts?
 
oxat622

oxat622

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19AL63 said:
I walk into a store or some other public place and see people that are afraid of getting the virus wearing the masks.
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How do you know their motivations?
19AL63 said:
I can hardly control my urge to walk up to them and thank them for the mask wearing and then remind them from day one it was reported the mask does not stop you from getting the virus it was suppose to stop you from sharing it if you happen to have or are carrying it.
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Conservatives really do live with a self-importance complex. But please, continue controlling your urge to not mind your own business.
19AL63 said:
Sadly it has been reliably reported now that the mask does little to anything to stop the spread and it never did stop the wear form being in danger of getting it. For my protection please wear the mask. Thanks!!!
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Masks or mask mandates? We shouldn't conflate the two.
 
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lotr10

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oxat622 said:
If there's easy to understand science in that article, why wouldn't you copy and paste those parts?
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My posts are already to long. Maybe you can try to read it yourself? But here's a start:

Randomized controlled trials are the gold standard of medical research, and Cochrane reviews are the gold standard for reviewing such trials. A recent Cochrane review found, “Wearing masks in the community probably makes little or no difference to the outcome of influenza-like illness (ILI)/COVID-19 like illness”—or “to the outcome of laboratory-confirmed influenza/SARS-CoV-2”—“compared to not wearing masks.” Moreover, “The use of a N95/P2 respirators compared to medical/surgical masks probably makes little or no difference.” Stating things even more plainly, the review’s lead author, Oxford’s Tom Jefferson, said of masks in a subsequent interview with Australian investigative journalist Maryanne Demasi, “There is just no evidence that they make any difference. Full stop.”

As Cochrane observed, 16 randomized controlled trials (RCTs) have now been conducted on surgical or cloth masks, none of which has provided compelling evidence that they work. Two of these RCTs actually found statistically significant evidence that masks are counterproductive in stopping the spread of viruses. Two RCTs were completed during the pandemic. One found no statistically significant evidence that masks work, while the other—touted by mask advocates but riddled with methodological flaws—found nearly identical outcomes in its mask and non-mask groups. When a medical intervention goes 0-for-16 in RCTs, it’s time to accept that it doesn’t work. (If one needs further proof, check out this chart made by Ian Miller, which shows the striking similarity in case rates between mask-free and mask-mandate states.)

Surgical masks were designed to protect patients’ open wounds from being infected by medical personnel, not to prevent the spread of viruses. N95s were designed to protect workers from breathing in dust, fumes, or smoke. On the occasions that N95s were worn in hospitals pre-Covid, it was usually to protect against the spread of tuberculosis bacteria, not to protect against the spread of viruses. As an article on the National Institutes of Health website, published in the less politicized pre-Covid days, puts it, “Viruses are tiny. . . . Billions can fit on the head of a pin.” Bacteria are comparatively huge: “Bacteria are 10 to 100 times larger than viruses.”
 
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