JD Bosco Visiting DLS in 08???

I'm just happy that I gave SLCDad and Skyway that last little push they need to consumate their relationship.

I've taken a lot of stances on a lot of things. I just defined what I consider a "national power" a few posts ago.

However, I feel no need to respond seriously to every moronic thing that is said on this board.
 
In Illinois you don't know either, and that's over eight classes, not just over two divisions of already-set classes.

One thing I really don't like about the California system as it is set up now is that if you lose in the sectional playoffs to a team from a larger division, it knocks you out of the state bowl game for your division.

I'd like to see Texas either (a) realign the two divisions when the final 16 of each division is set or (b) put the district winners and the largest of the other three district qualifiers in to Division I and the other two schools into Division II.

Of course, with (b), Division II becomes sort of an NIT (and maybe you get some small undefeated schools sandbagging at the end of the year to end up in Division II). I would like to see all the district winners in the same division, though.
 
RockinL said:
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Isnt DLS the team that had 200 lb. weaklings during the 151 game win streak...and won soley on coaching and group hugs?:)

DLS is one of the greatest HS football programs of all time. I was just taking a shot at some of the old head Spartanhoodies who wont admit the ton of talent that has gone through that school.:)
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Actually, 215 lb was more like it. Nobody ever suggested weaklings, in fact they were chisled and ripped weight room fiends with extraordinary footwork brought about by their amazine line coach who could get those D Lineman who gave away an average of 60 lbs and 5" to completely dominate the LOS against LB Poly in the 2nd game. One of the DLS DL was under 5'10" against LBP and was giving away almost a foot and ran circles around his opposite.

Nobody has ever suggested that DLS has had no talent, but they have not had anywhere near the talent that others suggest they had. The prototypical DLS lineman is 6'1" 215 lbs, can bench press Canada and will never play on Saturdays unless it is with the Cal Rugby Team.
 
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pied said:
Just to clarify you are comparing the Texas system which divdes 128 teams into two 64 team brackets and plays out to the system in California where you have many sections and one playoff game. The participants in that game are decided by a committee.
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just to clarify

DLS had FOUR post season games this year

if one school had 4 playoff games (no 3-7 teams in the playoffs) how many did the entire state have

just to clarify if you said one WRONG ANSWER
 
consumerman said:
how many games do I see each year when DLS is televised 5 or more times a year??????
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I'm thinking you should come out of the closet. Admit it. It will make you feel better. You root for DLS!

Everybody knows it. Now it's time for you to admit it to yourself. :crush: :crush:
 
let's see

we had the DLS doesnt play anybody crowd

then DLS freed up their schedule and beat top socal and national top three teams LB Poly and Mater Dei

then we had DLS doesnt play any out of state teams

and DLS beat Hawaii state champion and Louisiana state champion and was called by many the most impressive team in the 2006 Herbie

then we heard DLS does not win a true california playoff

then they beat a team that was favored by 7 (calpreps) and won 4 playoff games including a victory over a national top ten and led 31-7 and despite a great comeback played their best when the game was on the line

and we hear oh cali is not a true playoff and DLS was shredded and DLS was lucky to win

it gets old

the jealousy

the refusal to admit what an elite national #1 power DLS is

SLC gave up as many points in 1 quarter (against a mediocre team) than DLS gave up in the first half of its first 12 games COMBINED
 
Chicago said:
I'd like to see Texas either (a) realign the two divisions when the final 16 of each division is set or (b) put the district winners and the largest of the other three district qualifiers in to Division I and the other two schools into Division II.

Of course, with (b), Division II becomes sort of an NIT (and maybe you get some small undefeated schools sandbagging at the end of the year to end up in Division II). I would like to see all the district winners in the same division, though.
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I'd like to see a wild card situation or something.

Maybe three teams in each district, the #2/#3 teams play week one and the District Champions get a bye. One champion per classification.

Think that should work mathematically, maybe not.

Problem is the UIL likes three and now four teams. I think it's stupid. They haven't called me though.
 
SLCDad said:
I'm thinking you should come out of the closet. Admit it. It will make you feel better. You root for DLS!

Everybody knows it. Now it's time for you to admit it to yourself. :crush: :crush:
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Dad

I admire DLS

I am happy when they perform well as I felt for years (80s and early part of 90s) they did not get the recognition they richly deserved

If that is rooting ok'
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but I think it is more admiration and amazement than anything

like many prominent pro college and other coaches have said, DLS is the best coached team they have ever seen at any level any sport
 
But if a non-bye team makes the final, you're looking at a 17-game schedule.

That's rough.

Although it's Texas. They might like that.
 
consumerman said:
let's see

we had the DLS doesnt play anybody crowd-I am not in that crowd. I think DLS has shown the nuts to schedule anyone. Sometimes things don't work out the way internet posters want, but that's not Lad/Eidson's fault.

then DLS freed up their schedule and beat top socal and national top three teams LB Poly and Mater Dei-You may include me in that one. Good job at doing what was not available for them to do based on the still Sectional system. Not too crazy to think that schools in one state would play each other though

then we had DLS doesnt play any out of state teams-

and DLS beat Hawaii state champion and Louisiana state champion and was called by many the most impressive team in the 2006 Herbie-Still not overly impressed w/St. Louis, big travel, but not a big deal. They went though, props for that. ECA was in turmoil, not DLS' fault. Who'd a thunk, right? I think the many that considered them the most impressive were Elder fans, what did the X/Lakeland fans think? Still they made the trip, cudos

then we heard DLS does not win a true california playoff-It's true

then they beat a team that was favored by 7 (calpreps) and won 4 playoff games including a victory over a national top ten and led 31-7 and despite a great comeback played their best when the game was on the line-This is after they lost the year prior, correct?

and we hear oh cali is not a true playoff and DLS was shredded and DLS was lucky to win-cali is not a true playoff and does not pretend to be, correct? It is the California Bowl I believe. can you walk us through who qualified for the game and how CC and DLS made it? Were there other qualified teams?

it gets old

the jealousy

the refusal to admit what an elite national #1 power DLS is-I think that DLS is the best HS football program around. Certainly you can parse out certain time periods that other teams fared better, but since 80, ther is no doubt, DLS #1.

SLC gave up as many points in 1 quarter (against a mediocre team) than DLS gave up in the first half of its first 12 games COMBINED-SLC lost two games and was thought to have issues by some(me included) coming into the season. I would not compare SlC DLS in 2007.
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Go Spartans!
 
it has been posted many times

here is a review

their are ten sections in california although seven of the section are larger and there are three very small city sections (Oakland, San Francisco, Los Angeles)

for football, the state is divided into 2 halves, 3 large sections (including the ultra large southern section) and LA City section comprise the South, 2 city sections and 4 other sections comprise the North

even sections such as the southern section are subdivided for playoffs (did not use to be) so the pac 5 is one bracket while the "inland empire" is another bracket

to qualify for the 3 state bowl games you must win your section playoffs

for comparison purposes a section would more or less be equal to an ohio region

after the section playoffs are completed a meeting is held by the CIF which includes representation from each of the 10 sections

each nominee has its performance, SOS national rankings and other prominent items presented

then there is a vote and the majority vote getter gets the ability to play in the state bowl game

note the attendance qualifications for the south and north differ greatly and a div 2 socal school could be larger than a div 1 norcal school

it is similar to a college bowl game scenario although most teams have already played 2-4 post season games

there are many nominees that could qualify

last year Canyon (12-2) was a surprise pick over an undefeated JW North (14-0) and I believe a San Diego team that went 12-0-2
 
consumerman said:
as usual a thread about DLS turns into

either a lovefest for SLC

or petty arguments involving SLC

why am I not surprised
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On Post #75 you made the above post. At that time Consumerman you had made 12 posts on SLC and no posts on the topic of the thread. Since Post #75 you have mentioned the Don Bosco three times - never with anything on the topic of the thread. 28 more times you continued to discuss SLC. For the life of me I do not know why you introduced the Texas Playoff system. Please explain to me what the Texas Playoffs have to do with the Don Bosco game. You call out folks for deviating from the thread topic, yet you are the worst offender.

The paper reported the deal to the game would be finalized within 24 to 48 hours. That was 168 hours ago. My guess is the game fell apart because California could not come up with the cash. Maybe that is why DLS must always travel. Other venues can afford to foot the bill, but California does not support HS football. Just a theory.

I read on a New Jersey board this was part of a home & home situation (not in consecutive years). DLS wanted Don Brosco to come to California because they already were traveling out of state once in 2008. I suspect it is the 51st state if Southern California. Don Bosco is in the Herbie and is having to shell out $35,000 for that priviledge and expect the cost of a trip to California to be $50,000. Personally that number is low unless DLS is going to have host families.

In the meantime we can discuss Texas Realignment which comes out Friday.
 
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skyway28 said:
What states and teams did they beat? Again, just because they are from another state doesn't mean they are any good. How was Bakersfield the year St. Louis beat them?
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St. Louis actually beat a couple of very good So Cal teams in the 90's. They beat hart in 95 38-33. Hart lost 1 other game that year and that was to division 1 finalist Loyola 27-23. Hart won division 2 that year beating Antelope Valley. They also beat San Clemente. I also think they beat Edison but I'm not sure. Edison in the 90's wasn't very good though. Bakersfield was a good team the year St. Louis beat them.
 
NONE of that does anything to show they are/were an elite team by national standards. None of it tells me how they would fare in the Texas or Ohio or Florida or California state playoffs.
 
skyway28 said:
NONE of that does anything to show they are/were an elite team by national standards. None of it tells me how they would fare in the Texas or Ohio or Florida or California state playoffs.
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so einstein
ouside of actually participating in the texas or ohio or florida or california playoffs (which seems farfetched since they are from the state of Hawaii)

WHAT ELSE are you going to evaluate them on?????????????????

1) 19 time state champion - hmmm you already dismissed that
2) going 18-1 against non-Hawaii schools?? hmmm you already dismissed that (see notes at bottom)
3) high national rankings - you don't put credence in that
4) a USA Today article where it spells out how great Hawaii is in producing per capita great football players - you already dismissed that

so DLS beat 19 time Hawaii state champion St. Louis and you say prove St. Louis is any good

then we say Hawaii ended Bakersfield (the school with more wins in California state foortball history) long winning streak and you say well prove Bakersfield was any good.. and we say STL beat Hart, a SECTION CHAMPION in SOCAL and you are not imprressed

so Bakersfield has a long tradition and is a great program and you will say who did Bakersfield beat

and we will list teams and you will say well who did Team xyz ever beat

and we will say team efg and you will say who did they ever beat

meanwhile back to the case in point

DLS beat 19 time state champion Honolulu st. louis, a PERENNIAL national power'

enough with the I am not impressed and who did they beat responses

or get Hawaii to be part of texas playoffs

maybe you can remove some 3-7 teams

you are not impressed with ST Louis

fine

I am not impressed with your stubbornness or ability to see through your biased eyes
 
Here's how it would have gone in 2002:

Ohio: They would have won the state championship 27-17 over Harding, after beating Elder 31-21 for the Region 4 championship (SW Ohio all the way to Hawaii).

Texas: They would have won the 5A Division II championship 37-35 over SLC on a disputed safety with 15 seconds left. SLC fans would still be complaining about this on internet message boards years later.

California: They would have lost the final of the newly-created "Out in the Ocean" Section to Long Beach Poly, 24-14. Litigation questioning the appropriateness of Long Beach Poly even being in this section would linger for years, and would still not be resolved by 2008.

Let me know if you need stats.

Pied would have attended the Texas final. I am sure he can let you know what he would have seen. Consumerman would have had the DVD of the OITO Section championship and I am sure he would have been able to send you a copy.
 
Chicago said:
Texas: They would have won the 5A Division II championship 37-35 over SLC on a disputed safety with 15 seconds left. SLC fans would still be complaining about this on internet message boards years later.
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Since SLC only loses every 3-4 years we have to have something to complain about. Besides, pretty much every SLC loss is a fluke anyway. :D :D
 
Chicago said:
Here's how it would have gone in 2002:

Texas: They would have won the 5A Division II championship 37-35 over SLC on a disputed safety with 15 seconds left. SLC fans would still be complaining about this on internet message boards years later.

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Pied would have attended the Texas final. I am sure he can let you know what he would have seen. Consumerman would have had the DVD of the OITO Section championship and I am sure he would have been able to send you a copy.
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If I am not mistaken, SLC nearly lost due to a funky safety/touchback call early in the playoffs to Arlington Sam Houston. My Father in Law was at the game, I missed it for some reason. May have been '03 though.

Kind of funny you bring up that scenario.
 
consumerman said:
so einstein
ouside of actually participating in the texas or ohio or florida or california playoffs (which seems farfetched since they are from the state of Hawaii)

WHAT ELSE are you going to evaluate them on?????????????????

1) 19 time state champion - hmmm you already dismissed that
2) going 18-1 against non-Hawaii schools?? hmmm you already dismissed that (see notes at bottom)
3) high national rankings - you don't put credence in that
4) a USA Today article where it spells out how great Hawaii is in producing per capita great football players - you already dismissed that

so DLS beat 19 time Hawaii state champion St. Louis and you say prove St. Louis is any good

then we say Hawaii ended Bakersfield (the school with more wins in California state foortball history) long winning streak and you say well prove Bakersfield was any good.. and we say STL beat Hart, a SECTION CHAMPION in SOCAL and you are not imprressed

so Bakersfield has a long tradition and is a great program and you will say who did Bakersfield beat

and we will list teams and you will say well who did Team xyz ever beat

and we will say team efg and you will say who did they ever beat

meanwhile back to the case in point

DLS beat 19 time state champion Honolulu st. louis, a PERENNIAL national power'

enough with the I am not impressed and who did they beat responses

or get Hawaii to be part of texas playoffs

maybe you can remove some 3-7 teams

you are not impressed with ST Louis

fine

I am not impressed with your stubbornness or ability to see through your biased eyes
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I never said you could defintively evaulate them-or any other team-against those from other states. The primary issue in all of this is the lack of information-i.e.-comparative results-available in prep football. Which is significant because it makes blanket statements like yours about DLS being the #1 team/program/whatever in the nation utter fluff.

In the case of St. Louis its more important to provide some decent evidence because they come from a state that typically produces very little talent relative to other states. Who's to say St. Louis' best teams would have fared any better against the nationally elite than the Univeristy of Hawaii's best team against one of the nation's elite (Georgia)?
 
Q: Which team has MORE losses in the current decade 2000-2007 DLS or SLC

A: Hint it is NOT DLS



Q: Which team has had more UNDEFEATED SEASONS in the current decade DLS or SLC

A: Hint It is NOT SLC


Q: WHich team has more NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS in the current decade SLC or DLS?

A: Hint It is NOT SLC


Q: Which team has the overall better decade concerning W-L records, un defeated seasons, national championships

A: Hint It is not SLC




postcript: and this is not DLS's best decade and it certainly is SLC's

food for thought
 
consumerman said:
Q: Which team has MORE losses in the current decade 2000-2007 DLS or SLC

A: Hint it is NOT DLS



Q: Which team has had more UNDEFEATED SEASONS in the current decade DLS or SLC

A: Hint It is NOT SLC


Q: WHich team has more NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS in the current decade SLC or DLS?

A: Hint It is NOT SLC


Q: Which team has the overall better decade concerning W-L records, un defeated seasons, national championships

A: Hint It is not SLC




postcript: and this is not DLS's best decade and it certainly is SLC's

food for thought
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And none of that indicates DLS would blow out SLC in 2007. Or that CC is better than SLC. Or that DLS is the #1 team in the country. Or the likely strength of schedule discrepancy.
 
pied said:
If I am not mistaken, SLC nearly lost due to a funky safety/touchback call early in the playoffs to Arlington Sam Houston. My Father in Law was at the game, I missed it for some reason. May have been '03 though.

Kind of funny you bring up that scenario.
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I was at that game. It was in 2002 at Texas Stadium. Most SLC fans will agree that SLC was lucky to win.

It was the 2nd round of the playoffs. Arlington Sam Houston was 6-5. SLC was 11-0. Sam Houston outgained SLC about 2-1 in yards. Sam Houston attempted several trick plays, fake punts, onside kicks, etc. Every one of them failed and actually helped SLC. At the end there was a touchback/safety call that could have gone either way. SLC escaped with a narrow win. I blame the Sam Houston coach for their loss. If he had played SLC straight up without the back fired trick plays they probably would have won the game.
 
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