brianwr112
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You are incorrect.
We only have one Division in Ice Hockey, Gymnastics, Field Hockey.
And all three of those sports have very few teams.
You are incorrect.
We only have one Division in Ice Hockey, Gymnastics, Field Hockey.
What’s your plan? Status Quo?
You understand that California has a bunch of really good kids go unnoticed and unrecruited because of one division. It’s also impeded growth at local level.Wouldnt it be more incredible if you had a 64 kid bracket in Columbus??!!!! March Madness.
One Division doesn’t change the regular season.
And yes, several sports have only one Division.
and California has only one Division.
In those cases you speak of--SIMPLE solution--make those MS coaches to be groomed part of the high school staff.I can assure you that impugning the MS coaches who have dedicated 6-8 months of their lives every year to preparing our sons and daughters for HS wrestling is not a good way to sell your argument. Many of those MS coaches are young men getting the experience they need to coach a HS someday. They are being groomed by the HS head coach. If your school has a piss poor MS program, you need to look at your HS head coach.
In those cases you speak of--SIMPLE solution--make those MS coaches to be groomed part of the high school staff.
But really, part of the problem is some of these small schools can't get anyone competent. If you can't see that OH middle school wrestling is a mess then you are either blind or you just don't want to see. Let those kids in the room with the HS. Let them wrestle JV. Let the good ones wrestle varsity with better coaching and partners--and fill a TON of those forfeited 106 and 113 weight classes. I don't understand why we hold on to this artificial distinction or line between 8th and 9th grade.
Oh, and maybe, just maybe, you keep kids in their school instead of all the decent ones just cub wrestling like so many people on here seem to hate. Just sayin'.......
Its time to go to One Division in Ohio.
3 Divisions waters it down.
We don't have a true State Champion. We have 3. Who is the best in the State?
We have 3 State-Runner ups. it makes no sense.
School size makes no difference in Individual Sports.
Each wrestler has the same opportunity to train.
In Football and Basketball, large schools have a huge advantage. More kids to choose from. Only 5 spots in Basketball.
In Track and Swimming, does the size of your school affect your speed? No.
Numbers are way down in Ohio.
Many Sectionals have 4 to 6 in a bracket. its a joke.
Here's the Plan:
One Division.
64 in a bracket at State.
2 day State Tournament.
Top 16 in each District Advance.
Top 8 in each Sectional Advance.
Sectionals would all be triple the size.
They should be bigger than most league tournaments.
Currently Sectionals are smaller than many leagues.
Many Sectionals are easier than league tournaments.
64 man State is do-able.
Compare to most National Tournaments.
Most Nationals have 6 divisions. One for each age group starting at Kindergarten.
Most are done in One-Day. Think TOC.
California and New Jersey do One-Division.
Why can't we?
Its and Individual Sport. Its a Merit Based Sport.
It is watered down in Ohio.
Fix Wrestling in Ohio.
Wouldnt it be more incredible if you had a 64 kid bracket in Columbus??!!!! March Madness.
You aren't beating the same drum as the original poster. Your drum is bigger and better.I've been beating this drum for my native land of Indiana so why not my 2nd land Ohio. 3 tournaments total. Team Duals classed, a classed individual tournament, and to end the season a single class individual tournament.
They don't actually. Friend of mine knows both systems well, while they have a single champ, the way they get to it makes little sense. And the way the wrestle for the other places makes even less sense.Indiana has it right.
LOL, well there aren't very many schools competing in those sports.You are incorrect.
We only have one Division in Ice Hockey, Gymnastics, Field Hockey.
d3 isn’t competitive?!?!?!? are you seriousD3 is not competitive. D2 has some pretty weak classes too. PA is two classes and their State is phenomenal competition. My top 3 suggestions for Ohio:
1). Go to 2 divisions;
2). Eliminate JH wrestling distinction and let them wrestle HS like NY (this fills the lower weight classes, solves the problem with bad JH coaching, allows kids higher quality partners and practices and eliminates BAD middle school wrestling);
3). State tournament in February so we are not behind the 8 ball in freestyle every year.
Thank you.
'You are incorrect.
We only have one Division in Ice Hockey, Gymnastics, Field Hockey.
I have to stop you at that. School size makes a difference. Take the top 10 D1 teams of the past 5 years and stack them up to the other divisions and this thread would not be supported. D1 has been so top heavy, you have results were a D1 lower place or state qualifier would push around a D2 & D2 elite. Fairfield High School and Mason are some of the biggest schools in the state( have been in the top 10 of the state tournament). And La Salle, Elder, Moeller, and Harrison are some of Cincinnati's problems for D2 & D2. When those divisions get past Cincinnati, the central schools and Cleveland schools will took away hopes of competing. If you do a top 10 rankings of all divisions for the past 5 years, you won't want a single divisions state.Its time to go to One Division in Ohio.
3 Divisions waters it down.
We don't have a true State Champion. We have 3. Who is the best in the State?
We have 3 State-Runner ups. it makes no sense.
School size makes no difference in Individual Sport
Fix Wrestling in Ohio.
School size makes no difference in Individual Sports.
Yes I am serious. I call ‘em like I see ‘em.d3 isn’t competitive?!?!?!? are you serious
And don’t call me Shirley.Yes I am serious. I call ‘em like I see ‘em.
Agreed.
Oh wow, you really got me.You are incorrect.
We only have one Division in Ice Hockey, Gymnastics, Field Hockey.
As long as this thread has completely gone off the rails, why are we limiting this State Championship to just Humans? Horses, German Sheppards, Crocodiles, Warthogs?
Honestly, there are a lot of good points brought up in this thread and I'm sure OneDivision had great intentions with his post. I would say that to anyone looking to effect positive change, coming to yappi is probably not the most productive move.
While it's not perfect, what we have here in Ohio is structured better than in most other states. Virginia for example has 6 classes with 1/2 the # of participants in Ohio- I think Georgia is the same- 6 classes. Connecticut w/ a population 25% of that of Ohio and participation numbers 20% of Ohio has 3 classes with like 30 schools in each class. New Yorks's sectional system is so unbalanced that often the second & third best kids in the state never make out of their section, while mediocre wrestlers from the PASL, and way upstate sections (7 & 10) qualify for the states with little competition. California with almost double the participation numbers as Ohio, has 1 class, and I think a series of 4 or 5 qualifying tournaments in order to get to the States- talk about a meat grinder. My point is that while things can always be improved, Ohio wrestling is pretty damn great!
How did I get you? I thought we agreed?Oh wow, you really got me.
After coaching in several states, school size classifications.. it is absolutely amazing to me how many people get such the little chip on their shoulder and never want to acknowledge things like this. Even when they should know betterThis is a colossal misconception on 2 fronts.
1. Wrestling is not solely an individual sport. Without good teammates to push you every day you will not be as good as you can be. Iron sharpens Iron.
2. School size can be extremely important. The bigger the school the more likely there are an increased number of athletes who can push each other in practice. Bigger schools tend to have a deeper talent pool which makes a team better which in turn makes the individual better. Are there exceptions to this...yes, but in general it holds true.
I would also bet that if we went to 1 division you would see all the best kids from smaller schools in the transfer portal to the bigger schools so that they could have a better practice room (more than what is already going on). This would destroy the smaller school programs and eventually lead to schools dropping the team. Numbers would go down statewide due to the small schools having ZERO chance to compete.
During my 21 years of coaching wrestling in Ohio across all 3 divisions (at the same school...we went from D3 to d1 in 6 years!) I can say without question that D1 is on a whole different level than D3. The highest level of D3...maybe the state final 4 could compete seriously in D1. Most of the others would struggle to even qualify for the state tournament. If you look at who most of those kids are at D3, they are usually the only kid from their school at state or even the schools first ever qualifier. Those small schools will never be able to compete with the big guns in D1.
When I was coaching in D3 I always insisted it was just as tough...after being in D1 its just not close. If you haven't experienced all 3 divisions personally it really is hard to describe the difference.
What an ignorant post.
For one. Your idiotic comment about school size not matteringWhy? Explain.
How did I get you? I thought we agreed?
Ah okayWe do, the op mentioned three sports that in total represent what would equal just over one division in wrestling. That is what I was referencing