How many wins will the 2012 Reds get?

He had Canseco and McGwire in Oakland and then Pujols in St. Louis. Nobody has been helped out more by steroids than he has.
 
DennisRodman said:
To be perfectly honest I don't think LaRussa would have had half the career he did without Dave Duncan. Not to mention the best player in the game for some 8 years or so. I think he's way overrated.
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Every great manager has great players.
 
On a serious note, does anyone else think LaRussa is overrated? It's not just that I hate him and the Cardinals, I think it has merit. Some of his in-game decisions were just mind boggling IMO.
 
DennisRodman said:
To be perfectly honest I don't think LaRussa would have had half the career he did without Dave Duncan. Not to mention the best player in the game for some 8 years or so. I think he's way overrated.
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Moreso Duncan than the best player in the game. Duncan's influence on the White Sox, A's and Cardinals teams LaRussa managed was huge.
 
DennisRodman said:
On a serious note, does anyone else think LaRussa is overrated? It's not just that I hate him and the Cardinals, I think it has merit. Some of his in-game decisions were just mind boggling IMO.
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I do, but I'll get slammed as biased. He actually did a very good job with the Cards in their WS winning years. That said, Jocketty built him some very good clubs. Only winning one of three WS from 1988-90 was a huge failure. They definitely should have beaten L.A........and the 2004 and 2005 Cards were very well-built.
 
recently said:
If they do fail to live up to expectations, is that it for Dusty? I kinda think he'll be on a shorter leash after last season. Thoughts?
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I want to know what has Dusty done that is so bad? He's the best manager they've had since Jack Mckeon or even Davey Johnson. Who do you all want that they can afford? He's brought consistency and continuity to the team.Two years ago no one thought the Reds would win the Central. I think we should watch what we ask for. We can always bring Bob Boone back (Adam Dunn leadoff) or Jim Narron.
 
skins99 said:
Every great manager has great players.
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I agree. And there's no Dave Duncan w/o Tony LaRussa. No doubt like it or not he may be the greatest manager of our time. No way St. Louis should of been in the World Series let alone win it this year. Their lineup wasn't better than the Reds.
 
Zezzo! said:
I want to know what has Dusty done that is so bad? He's the best manager they've had since Jack Mckeon or even Davey Johnson. Who do you all want that they can afford? He's brought consistency and continuity to the team.Two years ago no one thought the Reds would win the Central. I think we should watch what we ask for. We can always bring Bob Boone back (Adam Dunn leadoff) or Jim Narron.
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Did he really do that? If so, wow :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
 
DennisRodman said:
On a serious note, does anyone else think LaRussa is overrated? It's not just that I hate him and the Cardinals, I think it has merit. Some of his in-game decisions were just mind boggling IMO.
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La Russa could possibly go down in history as one of the top 10 managers of all time. His unconventional style of managing made him the manager he was. He was not afraid to manage "out-the-box" and was succesful. He won everywhere he managed.
 
Sig Hansen said:
If they don't win a playoff series, then yes, he should be gone
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I have never understood this reasoning in any sport but baseball in particular. A manager's influence can be felt over the long haul but you really can't read anything into a short series against another playoff team
 
Zezzo! said:
La Russa could possibly go down in history as one of the top 10 managers of all time. His unconventional style of managing made him the manager he was. He was not afraid to manage "out-the-box" and was succesful. He won everywhere he managed.
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With all the talent he had specifically in Oakland he should of won a helluva lot more. Definitely overrated in my book.
 
Junior Swingman said:
I have never understood this reasoning in any sport but baseball in particular. A manager's influence can be felt over the long haul but you really can't read anything into a short series against another playoff team
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Every coach, manger, player etc. in any sport should always be judged on how they play in the Playoffs. To think otherwise would be ridiculous IMO. That'd be great if the Reds won 105 games this year and had the best record in baseball, but if they fail to advance in the playoffs it would make the entire season a failure. I definitely don't want to be swept out of the first round again by the Phillies, and I don't know how anyone could be satisfied with that if it happens again this year. That feeling sucks.
 
Sig Hansen said:
Every coach, manger, player etc. in any sport should always be judged on how they play in the Playoffs. To think otherwise would be ridiculous IMO. That'd be great if the Reds won 105 games this year and had the best record in baseball, but if they fail to advance in the playoffs it would make the entire season a failure. I definitely don't want to be swept out of the first round again by the Phillies, and I don't know how anyone could be satisfied with that if it happens again this year. That feeling sucks.
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So fire Dusty Baker the best manager the Reds have had this millenium and bring in.....???? Lose Dusty, others will go and your starting over again.
 
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