No way you can post this then still back up the alarmists who have been wrong 100% of the time.
Global Warming
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irish_buffalo
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Who is backing "alarmists who have been wrong 100% of the time?" Lol
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"97%" of the scientists have been wrong 100% of the time.
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Do you consider Global Warming settle science?
You tend to. Hope that helps.
Everything that is wrong with the American environmental movement in one short paragraph. Note the regulatory trick the Biden administration uses to destroy American oil & gas production. How long do you think a climate impact study is going to last?
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The agreement was filed Thursday in Colorado federal court and requires the government to conduct a new environmental analysis of the climate impacts of oil and gas leasing on public lands in southwestern Colorado. The government also agreed to consider how the leases may impact the endangered Gunnison sage- grouse and its habitat.
Biden Administration’s Successful War on American Energy Industry
This week brought a pause on Colorado oil leases, the end to a natural gas pipeline's construction in Idaho & Wyoming, and the return of a ban on coal sales from federal lands.
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The agreement was filed Thursday in Colorado federal court and requires the government to conduct a new environmental analysis of the climate impacts of oil and gas leasing on public lands in southwestern Colorado. The government also agreed to consider how the leases may impact the endangered Gunnison sage- grouse and its habitat.
I'm not aware of a single person who is saying the climate isn't changing. What they are saying is that human activities are not changing GLOBAL climate. There is a big difference.
At minimum the Little Ice Age (LIA) has been confirmed to have involved the entire Northern Hemisphere. While data is lacking on the Southern Hemisphere, primarily for lack of developed civilizations below the equator in the Middle Ages, there is evidence that the LIA was in fact a global event.
But even if limited to just the Northern Hemisphere it was a mega regional effect that we still don't fully understand. Importantly for the purposes of this discussion it was an example of the enormous natural climate variability seen over even relatively short time frames (a few centuries).
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Applicable to what?
I think the theory today is that the Little Ice Age was primarily caused by changes in the Sun and changes in Atlantic Ocean currents. The effects from Volcanoes, which do impact regional & global climate, are short lived (a couple of years at most). The LIA lasted for centuries.
What Was the Little Ice Age?
The Little Ice Age is known for its effects in Europe and the North Atlantic region over hundreds of years, but was it comparable to past ice ages?
Science | AAAS
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And lets not forget the Medieval Warm period that preceded the LIA. Another example of large natural climate variations.
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The conversation about human activity causing climate change
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I think the theory today is that the Little Ice Age was primarily caused by changes in the Sun and changes in Atlantic Ocean currents. The effects from Volcanoes, which do impact regional & global climate, are short lived (a couple of years at most). The LIA lasted for centuries.
What Was the Little Ice Age?
The Little Ice Age is known for its effects in Europe and the North Atlantic region over hundreds of years, but was it comparable to past ice ages?www.britannica.com
Science | AAAS
And lets not forget the Medieval Warm period that preceded the LIA. Another example of large natural climate variations.
There was a series of huge eruptions that caused it.
That is definitely the minority viewpoint - which doesn't mean it's wrong but the evidence better supports a solar explanation.
As an aside the eruptions would have had to last centuries to maintain the effect that was seen.
irish_buffalo
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No even though data overwhelming points to man made causation.
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Fair enough on not settled. Data is all about interpretation and models can quickly be dismissed. I don't believe humans are changing our weather. I am for anything to keep mother earth healthy. Polluting our Oceans is reprehensible. Plastics are a huge problem. I can think of many things we can do to make a real difference. They require hard work and aren't sexy. How's the world doing with deforestation?
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That’s debatable but it is a valid case to study and remember that correlation does not equal causation necessarily.
The problem lotr and I have are with the alarmists basically pulling chicken little at all times basically threatening world collapse and catastrophes if we don’t concede to their dogma yesterday.
And you tend to agree with those nutcases.
The problem with the work supporting volcanic eruptions as the only or primary cause of the Little Ice Age is that it relies mostly on modeling & simulations. There has been some ice core work done but it's sparse. IMO the modeling used to reconstruct historical climate conditions is poor and not very accurate.
Was the Little Ice Age triggered by massive volcanic eruptions?
Scientists suggest that the Little Ice Age was triggered by an unusual, 50-year episode of four massive volcanic eruptions. This led to an expansion of sea ice and a related weakening of Atlantic currents that caused the cool period to persist for centuries.
www.sciencedaily.com
For those interested this lists what are believed to be the potential major causes for the Little Ice Age. Given the complexity of the Earths climate it would not be surprising if all of them contributed.
www.phactual.com
6 Causes & 9 Effects Of The Little Ice Age | Phactual Magazine
The Little Ice Age spanned the early 14th and late 19th centuries as the Earth cooled enough to coat itself with ice. A painting (by Abraham Hondius) depicts
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Here is an interesting theory involving changes in ocean currents.
www.eurasiareview.com
What's illuminating is how hard the authors work to keep their theory Global Warming compliant by minimizing the reason that a surge of warm water flowed into the North Atlantic & Arctic seas to trigger the Little Ice Age (LIA). We all know that what preceded the LIA was the medieval warm period. They hand wave that this warmer period was due to fewer volcanic eruptions. But this begs the question about our current warming - haven't we enjoyed a period of quiet on the volcano front for the last 100 years?
Again more evidence of the complexity of the Earth's climate and how ignorant we are of the mechanisms driving natural climate change.
The Surprising Cause Of The Little Ice Age
New research from the University of Massachusetts Amherst provides a novel answer to one of the persistent questions in historical climatology, environmental history and the earth sciences: what ca…
www.eurasiareview.com
What's illuminating is how hard the authors work to keep their theory Global Warming compliant by minimizing the reason that a surge of warm water flowed into the North Atlantic & Arctic seas to trigger the Little Ice Age (LIA). We all know that what preceded the LIA was the medieval warm period. They hand wave that this warmer period was due to fewer volcanic eruptions. But this begs the question about our current warming - haven't we enjoyed a period of quiet on the volcano front for the last 100 years?
Again more evidence of the complexity of the Earth's climate and how ignorant we are of the mechanisms driving natural climate change.
Some info on the fascinating solar cycles that may drive much of the Earths climate change:
Early records of sunspots indicate that the Sun went through a period of inactivity in the late 17th century. Very few sunspots were seen on the Sun from about 1645 to 1715 (38 kb JPEG image). Although the observations were not as extensive as in later years, the Sun was in fact well observed during this time and this lack of sunspots is well documented. This period of solar inactivity also corresponds to a climatic period called the "Little Ice Age" when rivers that are normally ice-free froze and snow fields remained year-round at lower altitudes. There is evidence that the Sun has had similar periods of inactivity in the more distant past. The connection between solar activity and terrestrial climate is an area of on-going research.
NASA/Marshall Solar Physics
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Early records of sunspots indicate that the Sun went through a period of inactivity in the late 17th century. Very few sunspots were seen on the Sun from about 1645 to 1715 (38 kb JPEG image). Although the observations were not as extensive as in later years, the Sun was in fact well observed during this time and this lack of sunspots is well documented. This period of solar inactivity also corresponds to a climatic period called the "Little Ice Age" when rivers that are normally ice-free froze and snow fields remained year-round at lower altitudes. There is evidence that the Sun has had similar periods of inactivity in the more distant past. The connection between solar activity and terrestrial climate is an area of on-going research.
Here is work that links sunspot activity to rain patterns in the Pacific:
Crusaders
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The problem with the work supporting volcanic eruptions as the only or primary cause of the Little Ice Age is that it relies mostly on modeling & simulations. There has been some ice core work done but it's sparse. IMO the modeling used to reconstruct historical climate conditions is poor and not very accurate.
Was the Little Ice Age triggered by massive volcanic eruptions?
Scientists suggest that the Little Ice Age was triggered by an unusual, 50-year episode of four massive volcanic eruptions. This led to an expansion of sea ice and a related weakening of Atlantic currents that caused the cool period to persist for centuries.www.sciencedaily.com
As opposed to near complete guesswork for every other claim of cause
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Crusaders
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Here is an interesting theory involving changes in ocean currents.
The Surprising Cause Of The Little Ice Age
New research from the University of Massachusetts Amherst provides a novel answer to one of the persistent questions in historical climatology, environmental history and the earth sciences: what ca…
What's illuminating is how hard the authors work to keep their theory Global Warming compliant by minimizing the reason that a surge of warm water flowed into the North Atlantic & Arctic seas to trigger the Little Ice Age (LIA). We all know that what preceded the LIA was the medieval warm period. They hand wave that this warmer period was due to fewer volcanic eruptions. But this begs the question about our current warming - haven't we enjoyed a period of quiet on the volcano front for the last 100 years?
Again more evidence of the complexity of the Earth's climate and how ignorant we are of the mechanisms driving natural climate change.
The Medieval warm period was localized to Europe. Like the Roman warm period. One event was succeeded by a rapid cooling event, the other was not. So we can safely say European warm periods do not necessarily indicate anything global is going on or that they trigger such freezing events.
It's more accurate to say that evidence for the Medieval Warm period is strongest for Europe AND Western Asia (India experienced it to). There is also evidence to support that the medieval warm period impacted Eastern Asia.
There is little evidence for the Southern Hemisphere but this is mostly due to the lack of sophisticated civilizations to tell us about what the climate was like during those centuries. Written records, historical events, agricultural records/observations and architectural changes provide much better data to reconstruct older climate conditions then tree rings & sediment analysis do.
Did you know that there was also a Roman Warm period that was experienced at the same time in Han China?
Very much so ................
Was at a Family Party last weekend, when I referred to an Ecar in the drive - as Coal Fired !!! the Group Agreed !
but those buying them will never get past the "E" on the Badge to realize it !
Yappi
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A water pipeline to the West? How about desert-dwellers move East?
A water pipeline to the West? How about desert-dwellers move East?
Desert Sun readers continue to talk about water.
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irish_buffalo
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It will not be long before everyone will want to be near the Great Lakes (again). I say we do not allow them back. ?
Seems like the science isn't close to being settled. I'm raising the alarmist poll with this declaration!
dailysceptic.org
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Here is hoping that policy makers, teachers, and everyone else listen to the group’s many points:
1,200 Scientists and Professionals Declare: “There is No Climate Emergency” – The Daily Sceptic
First we had the Great Barrington Declaration, challenging the 'settled' scientific consensus about lockdowns. Now comes the World Climate Declaration, challenging the computer models predicting environmental catastrophe.
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Over 1000 Scientists and Professionals Sign Formal Declaration: “There is No Climate Emergency”
"There is no cause for panic and alarm. We strongly oppose the harmful and unrealistic net-zero CO2 policy proposed for 2050.
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Here is hoping that policy makers, teachers, and everyone else listen to the group’s many points:
- Natural causes contribute to climate changes.
- Warming has been slower than predicted.
- Climate policy is being based on inadequate models.
- Carbon dioxide is plant food, and the basis for life on Earth.
- Global warming has not increased natural disasters.