Glenville or Ginn Academy?

Mr.wrsln2 said:
Both schools are located within one of the lowest economic urban zones in the state just scored very near the bottom of the ohio report card.if that matters to anyone💪🏉
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There are no mysteries or gotcha's here. No private or public school with supposedly superior academic instruction is raising their horshack mits in the air, screaming "let me, let me open enroll and teach those kids." The triage has already been done and they've accepted only those that will make them look good. Fortunately, we do have some like Coach Ginn that do raise their hands and say "let me.." We should all be grateful for that.
 
All-state kicker said:
This. It’s really not that complicated.
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It kind of is though. I sought an answer to a question earlier. Kid lives outside CMSD and open enrolls at Ginn. Kid is allowed to play for Glenville a CMSD school although not living in district. Seems odd or is an exploited loophole. Kid goes to tech school with out sports. Can play at home district only to my knowledge. Kid is home schooled or goes to private school can play at home district.
I think most people's issue is the 0 CB and how thats possible. Looks like a 24 CB would bump them up a division. Glance through the Cincinnati Public schools and they have CB numbers Winton Woods 54, Withrow 45, Taft 23. Aiken 27, Hughes 24, Woodward 28. Just doesn't seem possible for Glenville to be 0 CB.
 
zski71 said:
It kind of is though. I sought an answer to a question earlier. Kid lives outside CMSD and open enrolls at Ginn. Kid is allowed to play for Glenville a CMSD school although not living in district. Seems odd or is an exploited loophole. Kid goes to tech school with out sports. Can play at home district only to my knowledge. Kid is home schooled or goes to private school can play at home district.
I think most people's issue is the 0 CB and how thats possible. Looks like a 24 CB would bump them up a division. Glance through the Cincinnati Public schools and they have CB numbers Winton Woods 54, Withrow 45, Taft 23. Aiken 27, Hughes 24, Woodward 28. Just doesn't seem possible for Glenville to be 0 CB.
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CMSD has statewide open enrollment. What’s complicated?
 
All-state kicker said:
CMSD has statewide open enrollment. What’s complicated
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I get open enrollment. Live in CMSD go to Ginn, it was said you play for the school you live closest to, not necessarily Glenville. Live outside CMSD and go to Ginn, play for Glenville. Its a different standard or loophole. Not saying its illegal or inappropriate, just doesn't follow logic.
 
zski71 said:
It kind of is though. I sought an answer to a question earlier. Kid lives outside CMSD and open enrolls at Ginn. Kid is allowed to play for Glenville a CMSD school although not living in district. Seems odd or is an exploited loophole. Kid goes to tech school with out sports. Can play at home district only to my knowledge. Kid is home schooled or goes to private school can play at home district.
I think most people's issue is the 0 CB and how thats possible. Looks like a 24 CB would bump them up a division. Glance through the Cincinnati Public schools and they have CB numbers Winton Woods 54, Withrow 45, Taft 23. Aiken 27, Hughes 24, Woodward 28. Just doesn't seem possible for Glenville to be 0 CB.
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While the rules permit a student residing outside the CMSD attending Ginn Academy to play athletics for a CMSD school, they are restricted to the CMSD school closest to their residence (or play for the school in the school district they reside in). They may not simply open enroll at Glenville for athletic purposes while attending Ginn Academy if their residence is in Fairview Park, for example. They would have to play for Fairview or John Marshall.

The rules are so convoluted and subject to exceptions that it’s almost mind-boggling. I’m for freedom of parental choice, regardless of motivation.
 
Redhawk85 said:
That's incorrect, it's still the CMSD school closest to the parents' residence outside the district.
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Which, IMHO, is absurd. Play where you go. For schools that don't offer athletics, let the student choose where s/he plays. OHSAA can treat all GA students as transfers irrespective of where they live, with requisite forms and affect on CB numbers.
 
zski71 said:
I get open enrollment. Live in CMSD go to Ginn, it was said you play for the school you live closest to, not necessarily Glenville. Live outside CMSD and go to Ginn, play for Glenville. It’s a different standard or loophole. Not saying it’s illegal or inappropriate, just doesn't follow logic.
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Statewide open enrollment. If you live outside of CLE, you play at the CMSD school closest to your residence. I don’t get how this is so hard to understand.
 
All-state kicker said:
Statewide open enrollment. If you live outside of CLE, you play at the CMSD school closest to your residence. I don’t get how this is so hard to
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What district outside CMSD is closer to Glenville than any other CMSD high school? The 2 districts outside CMSD nearest Glenville look to be East Cleveland and Cleveland Heights. Shaw in East Cleveland is closer to Collinwood. Cleveland Heights is closer to John Hay. It doesn't look like anyone outside CMSD should be playing at Glenville if they follow the standard.
 
zski71 said:
What district outside CMSD is closer to Glenville than any other CMSD high school? The 2 districts outside CMSD nearest Glenville look to be East Cleveland and Cleveland Heights. Shaw in East Cleveland is closer to Collinwood. Cleveland Heights is closer to John Hay. It doesn't look like anyone outside CMSD should be playing at Glenville if they follow the standard.
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It’s residence closest to the CMSD building. Not the school building in the district closest to the CMSD building.
 
In other words, if I understand correctly, ALL the football players that play for Glenville, whether they go to Ginn or Glenville, reside in the Glenville school district?
 
zski71 said:
What district outside CMSD is closer to Glenville than any other CMSD high school? The 2 districts outside CMSD nearest Glenville look to be East Cleveland and Cleveland Heights. Shaw in East Cleveland is closer to Collinwood. Cleveland Heights is closer to John Hay. It doesn't look like anyone outside CMSD should be playing at Glenville if they follow the standard.
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There are areas southeast of Glenville High School where that would be the closest school but there is also an exception, if I'm reading the rules right, that allows a student to participate at the next closest CMSD school to their residence with approval of the superintendent. That opens up a wide swath of southeast Cleveland, Cuyahoga County and beyond.
 
TigerPaw said:
Ok sorry thanks. Just confusing to me. I actually don't gaf if Glenville has a CB of 0 or 30 I just don't understand how else it could be 0.
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All good. Statewide open enrollment and kids that don’t live in CMSD (CLE) attend the CMSD building closest to their residence. That’s how the CB is 0.
 
Redhawk85 said:
There are areas southeast of Glenville High School where that would be the closest school but there is also an exception, if I'm reading the rules right, that allows a student to participate at the next closest school to their residence with approval of the superintendent. That opens up a wide swath of southeast Cleveland, Cuyahoga County and beyond.
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You read that correctly. I didn’t even bring that up because it will open an entirely different can of worms. That exception opens up eastern Cuyahoga County as well as Lake County.
 
Oil Filter said:
It ain't that hard. Is -- for example -- any part of Twinsburg closer to Glenville than any other CMSD school?
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Not sure. But CMSD has an exception that a student-athlete can participate at school that isn’t closest to their residence. Any other questions? What with the Twinsburg obsession?
 
EagleFan said:
Location of Ginn does not matter. The residence of the kid does. Seems the rule is even if Ginn was located on west side, the kids play football where they live, the Glenville zone.
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Fair enough. I just recall a time when the location was brought up (years ago, not OF's reference this thread) and issue was made of the fact that GA was in the Collinwood attendance area. I don't think all the CMSD eligibility rules had been made clear when that debate took place here on Yappi.
 
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All-state kicker said:
All good. Statewide open enrollment and kids that don’t live in CMSD (CLE) attend the CMSD building closest to their residence. That’s how the CB is 0.
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That is still not some vast or multi-county geographical pool then. Or at least alot less than what people imagine given the talent level. That is impressive.

Then again I could be misunderstanding as usual, Lol.
 
TigerPaw said:
That is still not some vast or multi-county geographical pool then. Or at least alot less than what people imagine given the talent level. That is impressive.

Then again I could be misunderstanding as usual, Lol.
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Glenville has produced more D1 and NFL players than any other school in the state since Coach Ginn became HC (feel free to fact check this). People acting like Glenville has just recently stacked talent is BS. People don’t dig when schools like Glenville and Massillon are at the top.
 
Crimson and Black said:
All of this information and opinion is enlightening. But at the end of the day the main question is still unanswered. How is it possible for Glenville to have a zero competitive balance number?
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Because the kids either live in Glenville’s zone, live outside of CMSD and Glenville is the CMSD HS closest to the residence, or the student lives outside of CMSD and Glenville isn’t the closest CMSD HS and an exception is met allowing the student to play at Glenville. That’s how you get a CB of 0, not necessarily rocket science.
 
Ohiofootball76 said:
Ginville supplied the transfers with addresses the transfer in. Their paperwork was obviously not completed and they cant prove eligibility. Thats why they are even in this situation. The kids who have proper paperwork that have transferred to various schools ( theres a lot of them) are not having this issue. Transferring to a school is a huge commitment for a family but some of the schools do not take the paperwork seriously. Now Senior football players are in danger of losing their Senior year of football.
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Actually they’re not. They’ll be playing Friday, sorry to break the bad news 😅😅😅🤣🤣🤣🤣😭😭😭
 
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