Gerron Stokes

[Harrycrane]

How do we know Stokes did not do any research and knew the state of the program and decided he wanted a challenge?

A challenge ? Of a 20 year successful program that he learned was an underdog program overnight ? He didn’t know and said they seemed to underachieve in the playoffs inferring he would do better ., then again you’re a huge Coffman fan and historian and thinks Duane is doing a great job . Stick to sticky keyboard smack you projectionist loser. AHM the biggest liar here and known fraud is your hero . One kid of many in the band ? You’re dumber than a rock and embarras yourself with any dumb analogy You attempt . And are emotionally a 13 year old . You are nothing . Just a bloated washed up nothing ., going to threaten me physically again ?

 

[winbypin]

A challenge ? Of a 20 year successful program that the learned was an underdog program overnight ? He didn’t know and said they seemed to underachieve in the playoffs inferring he would do better ., then again you’re a huge Coffman fan and historian and thinks Duane is doing a great job . Stick to sticky keyboard smack you projectionist loser. AHM the biggest liar here and known fraud is your hero . One kid of many in the band ? You are emotionally a 13 year old .

Do you have any evidence to backup your claims about Stokes?

 

[Harrycrane]

Hard to have success when you have The Head of Coffman Band Boosters actively rooting against you and the politics that go along with that, the band has a lot of pull in that program. Shame on Harry!

Actually a big fan of Coach Stokes style. His record as a HC at about 40 is impressive . Like his motivational skills and his work ethic . Never rooted against him ever. Just didn’t think he was the best coach ever to grace the sidelines in Dublin like your hero AHM suggested because of his hatred for the most successful coach at Coffman . The fraud. The liar is not surprisingly your fellow compadre . And you’re the master projectionist. Geron Stokes thread when he isn’t even coaching this year . Hmm. Must be an appreciation of his being the best Dublin coach ever . My youngest is a college grad (. This year ). By the way . And was never a booster .

 

[Harrycrane]

Do you have any evidence to backup your claims about Stokes?

What claim ? You are just two bit troll with zero insight or knowledge about any of this ., He made a lot more money over his time in Dublin than he would have in Minster . Fact . That’s what people do right ? Challenge ? . He actually said he did no research ( watched film at all of players he was going to coach and there was little coming back or up that was going to keep Coffman at the level they were at for 20 years . AHM only occasionally went to any Coffman games over the years . He rooted against Crabtree and openly mocked the program and players over the years in these spaces . Knows chit about football , Lies about everything . He’s your guy Coach Stokes has been praised by me countless times and will be a better than 500 Coach as he has been the past 5,seasons overall ( 4 in Dublin ). Just needs a better fit and better timing .,

 

[AHM]

Why would you not be a band booster? Why would you not support what your daughter loved and participated? This story gets sadder.

 

[winbypin]

Geron Stokes thread when he isn’t even coaching this year . Hmm. Must be an appreciation of his being the best Dublin coach ever . My youngest is a college grad (. This year ). By the way . And was never a booster .

The first post in this thread asked if he was coaching anywhere this year and @ironmanz35 wasn't the person to start this thread.

 

[winbypin]

What claim ? You are just two bit troll with zero insight ., He made a lot more money over his time in Dublin than he would have in Minster . Fact . That’s what parole do right ? Challenge ? . He actually said he did no research ( watched film at all of players he was going to coach and there was little coming back or up that was going to keep Coffman at the level they were at for 20 years . AHM only occasionally went to ant Coffman games over the years . He rooted against Crabtree and openly mocked the program and players over the years in these spaces . Knows chit about football , Lies about everything . He’s your guy

Do you have a link to where he said he did no research on the team?

Who is on parole?

I don't know AHM. That is your friend.

 

[Harrycrane]

Why would you not be a band booster? Why would you not support what your daughter loved and participated? This story gets sadder.

Supported absolutely you loser . Wasn’t a booster in terms of being a parent leader . Dude my story is so much better and more successful than yours . I feel sorry for a 70 something guy who gains pleasure from being an intentional internet troll . Now that’s sad . Really fricken sad .

 

[Harrycrane]

Do you have a link to where he said he did no research on the team?

Who is on parole?

I don't know AHM. That is your friend.

You thinking I know him is beyond dumb . I thought you said you were smarter than most people ? Clearly not thinking like that . Being a pedant is geeky and not a sign of being smart . You posing as a Dublin fan is really telling . I could find some of your past posts over the years to show you as a fraud . AHM is so obvious in his lies and motives as are yours ., old db anyone ?

 

[winbypin]

You thinking I know him is beyond dumb . I thought you said you were smarter than most people ? Clearly nothing think that . Being a pedant is geeky and not a sign of being smart . You posing as a Dublin fan is really telling . I could find some of your past posts over the years to show you as a fraud . AHM is so obvious in his lies and motives as are yours ., old db anyone ?

Never claim to be a dublin fan. We've been over this dozens of times. I know you just like to make up your own version of the story to fit your narrative, but it's simply not true.

If you want to find my past post go ahead. It could be entertaining to prove you wrong again and again and again.

 

[AHM]

Supported absolutely you loser . Wasn’t a booster in terms of being a parent leader . Dude my story is so much better and more successful than yours . I feel sorry for a 70 something guy who gains pleasure from being an intentional internet troll . Now that’s sad . Really fricken sad .

Your story of Success is draped in glory. Couldn’t imagine a life of being emotionally triggered by a high school sports forum. A life of extensive gambling advice for high school sports posters. A life spent exploring the search function on a high school sports forum to expose fraudulent high school sports posters.

You are right. Your story of success is much more than mine or any other of us sad sad saps.

 

[big medicine]

Or they are smart enough to know that MAC coaching isn’t going to work outside the MAC. There are plenty of examples of this.

Are you serious? Do you want a roster? Are you just making things up to be argumentative or just anti-stokes.
Chris Schmidt
Geron stokes
Chip Otten
Jeff Starkey
there are more (just use goggle). This is a legitimate and recognized high school football phenomenon. The MAC world isn’t the real world of coaching. I’ve heard stokes say this

These guys were state champs in the MAC. And not for long anywhere else.

Stokes is a great coach and he’s going to work a lot better in a MAC environment.

MAC coaches wouldnt be the same winning coaches outside the MAC. There are countless examples of this. Coaches like Goodwin and Schulte probably recognize this. Coaches like stokes wanted to buck the trend. And I’m not using Vic Whiting as an example to further any argument I’m making.

AHM , please expand on this phenomenon. Could you define "MAC coaching" and what constitutes a "MAC environment" besides location ?

Trying to think of a possible similar example, first thing that came to mind was a former neighboring conference whose powerhouse member was known for going undefeated every year until they faced a MAC team in the playoffs, resulting in many 10 -1 seasons. Definitely fared better in their own league environment, but I always chalked that up to them playing in a weaker conference. I wouldn't necessarily think that would apply to the MAC most years, unless of coarse it was one of our predicted really down years.

Is this theory based on the MAC having superior athletes and not being able to replace them at their new school ? Looking at the number of MAC kids that go on to play collage ball, I'm thinking probably not.

As to some of the coaches you listed. Starkey https://www.dailystandard.com/archi...amily-ties-pulling-starkeys-to-northeast-ohio

 

[AHM]

AHM , please expand on this phenomenon. Could you define "MAC coaching" and what constitutes a "MAC environment" besides location ?

Trying to think of a possible similar example, first thing that came to mind was a former neighboring conference whose powerhouse member was known for going undefeated every year until they faced a MAC team in the playoffs, resulting in many 10 -1 seasons. Definitely fared better in their own league environment, but I always chalked that up to them playing in a weaker conference. I wouldn't necessarily think that would apply to the MAC most years, unless of coarse it was one of our predicted really down years.

Is this theory based on the MAC having superior athletes and not being able to replace them at their new school ? Looking at the number of MAC kids that go on to play collage ball, I'm thinking probably not.

As to some of the coaches you listed. Starkey https://www.dailystandard.com/archi...amily-ties-pulling-starkeys-to-northeast-ohio

I’ve never been to MAC country and can’t say I’ve ever really studied any of their programs in depth. But I can read. And I can do math. And I can see John reeds record coaching in the MAC and not coaching in the MAC. And Chris Schmidt. And Geron Stokes. And Chip Otten. Night and day. Are you saying these are all coincidences? (Guys like Goodwin, Hetrick, Schulte, Boeckman only coached in the MAC)

 

[bigkat]

AHM , please expand on this phenomenon. Could you define "MAC coaching" and what constitutes a "MAC environment" besides location ?

Trying to think of a possible similar example, first thing that came to mind was a former neighboring conference whose powerhouse member was known for going undefeated every year until they faced a MAC team in the playoffs, resulting in many 10 -1 seasons. Definitely fared better in their own league environment, but I always chalked that up to them playing in a weaker conference. I wouldn't necessarily think that would apply to the MAC most years, unless of coarse it was one of our predicted really down years.

Is this theory based on the MAC having superior athletes and not being able to replace them at their new school ? Looking at the number of MAC kids that go on to play collage ball, I'm thinking probably not.

As to some of the coaches you listed. Starkey https://www.dailystandard.com/archi...amily-ties-pulling-starkeys-to-northeast-ohio

it really would have been interesting if years ago if Goodwin would have taken the Mason FB job......on two levels, would the Steiners continued their success and would he have done great things in Mason?

 

[big medicine]

I’ve never been to MAC country and can’t say I’ve ever really studied any of their programs in depth. But I can read. And I can do math. And I can see John reeds record coaching in the MAC and not coaching in the MAC. And Chris Schmidt. And Geron Stokes. And Chip Otten. Night and day. Are you saying these are all coincidences? (Guys like Goodwin, Hetrick, Schulte, Boeckman only coached in the MAC)

Hetrick spent the tail end of his career in the MAC after Versailles joined the conference. John Reed also finished his career in the MAC, as probably will his successor Chip Otten. I would hope most good coaches learn, adapt and get better with experience and good competition. Coaching against MAC competition tends to force a coaching staff to up their game if they hope to compete.

I wonder if you looked into any of the MAC coaches post season records and if that lead to any other theories ?

MAC Football Results and Records - Level-by-Level Playoff Results.pdf

drive.google.com

 

[serpico]

nate moore didn't win a title at minster.

I sit corrected

 

[AHM]

Hetrick spent the tail end of his career in the MAC after Versailles joined the conference. John Reed also finished his career in the MAC, as probably will his successor Chip Otten. I would hope most good coaches learn, adapt and get better with experience and good competition. Coaching against MAC competition tends to force a coaching staff to up their game if they hope to compete.

I wonder if you looked into any of the MAC coaches post season records and if that lead to any other theories ?

MAC Football Results and Records - Level-by-Level Playoff Results.pdf

drive.google.com

Here the theory in plain English: it’s easier for coaches to win in the MAC than it is outside the MAC. Maybe reed and Otten learned and adapted. Or maybe it was easier to win in the MAC than it was outside the MAC. For the record I love Stokes style. It wins state titles in the MAC. I wish my son was coached by him in the MAC. But outside the MAC it didn’t work. He’s out of coaching.

 

[Gamma Gobbler]

We are talking about a high school coach, right? not The Coffman University, right? I am not a coach but from what I gather on many of these posts, neither are the posters, for that fact, nor are the posters a multi-state title winning HC... The disdain from those never in his position is objectionable and to crown him as a the "greatest" is likewise. The dude coached HS freak'n football..... this ain't Texas

I saw this kid play in HS (curious to who else saw him play) and what a pleasure to he was to watch. Who knew what Urbana would do when they were on offense, the cat was many times head and shoulders above his competition...he was electric. IF one could see outside the X's and O's, they would have seen a kid play with passion, motivation, not equaled on the field and that passion and motivation carried over to coaching. So what if he watched every motivational video. He became a student of the game, a student of coaching. Follow the pros and college, the HC is the cornerstone of the program, the motivator and the philosophy of his game plan to be established. Hanging wins and losses on one person is shortsighted. Sometimes, the studs just aren't there but there are head strong successful coaches that still believe they can change the dynamic, al a Lombardi when he went to Washington, and that should be a good thing For me, I would want my grandkids to play for a strong, motivated HC, that believes they can win versus a dude that sits and waits for the next phenom class to come up and make them successful.

Is it easier to win in the MAC? Well, is it easier to win the little league world series or winning a state HS championship? Perspective.

Stokes will land on his feet somewhere and that school will be damn glad to have him calling the shots.

 

[WJ-OSU-STEELERS]

it really would have been interesting if years ago if Goodwin would have taken the Mason FB job......on two levels, would the Steiners continued their success and would he have done great things in Mason?

If Goodwin had left Marion Local, I would expect they would have continued their success but not at the level they have had with Goodwin. ML wasn’t a juggernaut before Goodwin.

Mason is a growing community so my $$$ is on Goodwin probably turning them into a consistent winner. Challenging & beating the best of the Cincinnati’s big Catholic schools would be a tall task even for Goodwin. If anyone could do it, I’d guess it would be him.

Several great programs have lost their legendary coach and fallen back to the pack:
* Newark Catholic & JD Grahan
* Amanda Ckearcreek & Hilton
* Moeller & Gerry Faust
* St Ignatius & Kyle
* Ironton & Lutz
* Akron Manchester & their coach

Schools who legendary coach is close to retiring:
* Licking Valley
* Clinton Nassie & McSurley

You think the regression will never happen to you once the coach leaves but for various reasons, it has to these fine legendary programs to some degree.

 

[Gamma Gobbler]

If Goodwin had left Marion Local, I would expect they would have continued their success but not at the level they have had with Goodwin. ML wasn’t a juggernaut before Goodwin.

Mason is a grueling community so my $$$ is on Goodwin probably turning them into a consistent winner. Challenging & beating the best of the Cincinnati’s big Catholic schools would be a tall task even for Goodwin. If anyone could do it, I’d guess it would be him.

Several great programs have lost their legendary coach and fallen back to the pack:
* Newark Catholic & JD Grahan
* Amanda Ckearcreek & Hilton
* Moeller & Gerry Faust
* St Ignatius & Kyle
* Ironton & Lutz
* Akron Manchester & their coach

Schools who legendary coach is close to retiring:
* Licking Valley
* Clinton Nassie & McSurley

You think the regression will never happen to you one the coach leaves but for various reasons, but it has to these fine legendary programs to some degree.

Years ago, I sat in on Coach Goodwin's talk at the OHHS Coaches conference, after his first state title. His talk was about the six plays and varying formations.... The thing that stuck out most to me was his intro. He spoke about bringing a winning, work ethic culture to ML and what that would involve. He said, as I remember, a Saturday bringing in the V for stretching, weights, etc. and films, he looked over at a player laying on the bleachers after the mile run or whatever distance it was. He asked the player if he was getting up too early to meet the standard in which the player responded, I have been up since 3 AM milking cows and this is just a break before he went back to work. Coach, said at that time, he did not need to instill a work ethic as it was already there but it did instill a work ethic in him to meet the expectations of his players. and he just needed to teach them how to win.

The long, short of it is and IMO, Coach Goodwin understands the needs of the kids as much as the kids understand the needs of the coach. Maybe it is different between MAC kids and the rest of the state, but rest assured there is a recipe for success at MSML and the MAC...they are the ruler and not the measure.

 

[SayMyName]

Dude my story is so much better and more successful than yours .

Link?

 

[John74]

Years ago, I sat in on Coach Goodwin's talk at the OHHS Coaches conference, after his first state title. His talk was about the six plays and varying formations.... The thing that stuck out most to me was his intro. He spoke about bringing a winning, work ethic culture to ML and what that would involve. He said, as I remember, a Saturday bringing in the V for stretching, weights, etc. and films, he looked over at a player laying on the bleachers after the mile run or whatever distance it was. He asked the player if he was getting up too early to meet the standard in which the player responded, I have been up since 3 AM milking cows and this is just a break before he went back to work. Coach, said at that time, he did not need to instill a work ethic as it was already there but it did instill a work ethic in him to meet the expectations of his players. and he just needed to teach them how to win.

The long, short of it is and IMO, Coach Goodwin understands the needs of the kids as much as the kids understand the needs of the coach. Maybe it is different between MAC kids and the rest of the state, but rest assured there is a recipe for success at MSML and the MAC...they are the ruler and not the measure.

While the narrative of the farm boy toiling away at 5AM before football practice is heartwarming and quaint, it’s completely blown out of proportion. The ML area isn’t immune to the realities of farming, consolidation and automation, so I would say less than 20% of Goodwin’s players have EVER worked on a farm. The community is mainly professionals and small business owners.

But, the old farm attributes are still there. ML has a coaching staff that is almost as big as some of the rosters of smaller D7 schools. Many of them are volunteers doing it for love of the school and community. Two parent homes where the parents demand involvement and hard work. Community togetherness where families arrange car pools to get the kids to weights and practices.

Those attributes are pretty widespread amongst the MAC area and those attributes can make a good coach great and a great coach phenomenal.

 

[Bruce Monnin]

I think many people overlook that when a long time successful coach retires, often much of his staff retires at the same time. At many successful small schools, you need look no further than the army of volunteer assistants for a good measure to the previous success.

 

[Gamma Gobbler]

While the narrative of the farm boy toiling away at 5AM before football practice is heartwarming and quaint, it’s completely blown out of proportion. The ML area isn’t immune to the realities of farming, consolidation and automation, so I would say less than 20% of Goodwin’s players have EVER worked on a farm. The community is mainly professionals and small business owners.

But, the old farm attributes are still there. ML has a coaching staff that is almost as big as some of the rosters of smaller D7 schools. Many of them are volunteers doing it for love of the school and community. Two parent homes where the parents demand involvement and hard work. Community togetherness where families arrange car pools to get the kids to weights and practices.

Those attributes are pretty widespread amongst the MAC area and those attributes can make a good coach great and a great coach phenomenal.

Not being from that area or have any idea of the heart warming and quaint atmosphere of the county, I was Just imparting what I heard the man say some 20+ years ago. If that is wrong, then take it up with him.

 

[bigkat]

If Goodwin had left Marion Local, I would expect they would have continued their success but not at the level they have had with Goodwin. ML wasn’t a juggernaut before Goodwin.

Mason is a grueling community so my $$$ is on Goodwin probably turning them into a consistent winner. Challenging & beating the best of the Cincinnati’s big Catholic schools would be a tall task even for Goodwin. If anyone could do it, I’d guess it would be him.

Several great programs have lost their legendary coach and fallen back to the pack:
* Newark Catholic & JD Grahan
* Amanda Ckearcreek & Hilton
* Moeller & Gerry Faust
* St Ignatius & Kyle
* Ironton & Lutz
* Akron Manchester & their coach

Schools who legendary coach is close to retiring:
* Licking Valley
* Clinton Nassie & McSurley

You think the regression will never happen to you once the coach leaves but for various reasons, but it has to these fine legendary programs to some degree.

heckva softball game coming up this week on Wednesday....Minster- West Jeff!!!!

 

[ironmanz35]

A challenge ? Of a 20 year successful program that he learned was an underdog program overnight ? He didn’t know and said they seemed to underachieve in the playoffs inferring he would do better ., then again you’re a huge Coffman fan and historian and thinks Duane is doing a great job . Stick to sticky keyboard smack you projectionist loser. AHM the biggest liar here and known fraud is your hero . One kid of many in the band ? You’re dumber than a rock and embarras yourself with any dumb analogy You attempt . And are emotionally a 13 year old . You are nothing . Just a bloated washed up nothing ., going to threaten me physically again ?

Harry - It is sad that you have nothing to do with your life aside from Troll people in a Forum. You follow and try to agitate AHM, Win by Pin Say my Name and myself around to any thread just to Troll us. Please stop with your self loathing nonsense and clean yourself up troll.