Firing Ryan Day would be a mistake

 
OhioBobcatFan06 said:
Smart people do not make emotional decisions
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Correct, that's why they should wait until tomorrow. Look normally I would agree 100% with you here but this was the first time in the last 4 losses where Ohio State came into the game as the clearly superior team: 10 - 1; #2 in the nation, playing for a berth in the B1G championship and the playoffs versus a team that was 6 - 5. And the game was in the Shoe to boot.

College football is not the NFL. The Buckeyes are not "10 - 2" right on the edge of the playoffs; they're 2 - 2 (against decent competition) with no business being in the playoffs after today's loss.
 
He's obsessed with "being tougher" in the trenches and it cost him the game. He can throw to any of at least 3 receivers that clearly are overmatched trying to play man coverage. In two passes to Jeremiah Smith there were two PIs. Clearly Michigan was not comfortable defending him.
 
tom 48 said:
Day would be owed $37.28 million by Ohio State if he were to be fired by as of Sunday, Dec. 1, 2024, according to USA TODAY's college football head coaches salaries database.

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Ryan Day buyout, contract details: What Ohio State football coach is owed if fired

Ryan Day and Ohio State lost their fourth consecutive game to Michigan on Saturday. What is Day's buyout total if he were to be fired?
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Bjork via Smith had no issue pulling trigger on Holtmann finally
 
tom 48 said:
Day would be owed $37.28 million by Ohio State if he were to be fired by as of Sunday, Dec. 1, 2024, according to USA TODAY's college football head coaches salaries database.

www.usatoday.com

Ryan Day buyout, contract details: What Ohio State football coach is owed if fired

Ryan Day and Ohio State lost their fourth consecutive game to Michigan on Saturday. What is Day's buyout total if he were to be fired?
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Bjork could raise this in the coming days from boosters and the general fanbase, no problem, if needed. Folks are done with this clown.
 
lotr10 said:
Correct, that's why they should wait until tomorrow. Look normally I would agree 100% with you here but this was the first time in the last 4 losses where Ohio State came into the game as the clearly superior team: 10 - 1; #2 in the nation, playing for a berth in the B1G championship and the playoffs versus a team that was 6 - 5. And the game was in the Shoe to boot.

College football is not the NFL. The Buckeyes are not "10 - 2" right on the edge of the playoffs; they're 2 - 2 (against decent competition) with no business being in the playoffs after today's loss.
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Who are the twelve better teams than OSU. Do you put Penn State and Indiana ahead of OSU? You may not like it, but losing to your number one rival is not going to drop them more than 6-8 spots most likely. They still deserve to be ahead of all other big 10 teams not named Oregon should Oregon beat Penn State. A Penn State win pushes them back one spot.
 
D4fan said:
Who are the twelve better teams than OSU. Do you put Penn State and Indiana ahead of OSU? You may not like it, but losing to your number one rival is not going to drop them more than 6-8 spots most likely. They still deserve to be ahead of all other big 10 teams not named Oregon should Oregon beat Penn State. A Penn State win pushes them back one spot.
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When you lose is a big deal for me in ranking a team. Setting aside that Michigan is a big rival the fact is that the Buckeye's lost to an unranked, 6 - 5 team AT HOME in a game with major playoff and B1G championship implications. This is a much bigger deal IMO then losing a September/October game.

But I suspect you're right and Ohio State will fall to between 8 and 10 and make the playoffs. So in order to keep his job Day will need to win at least the 1st and probably the 2nd playoff games.

As an aside, now that college football has damned the Rubicon and is paying it's players and they all are essentially free agents, programs are going to have to create NFL like infrastructures to succeed. Between assessing high school kids and college transfer prospects, paying them and balancing developing talent internally and bringing in transfers there will need to be a GM & Coach. Is Day the right guy to be the "coach" while the Buckeyes hire a true "GM"? I'm not convinced that he is. Day's strength, which is the same for most of the recent highly successful college coaches, is that he was a good coach AND GM. Now the elite programs will need a GREAT coach and a Great GM.
 
lotr10 said:
When you lose is a big deal for me in ranking a team. Setting aside that Michigan is a big rival the fact is that the Buckeye's lost to an unranked, 6 - 5 team AT HOME in a game with major playoff and B1G championship implications. This is a much bigger deal IMO then losing a September/October game.

But I suspect you're right and Ohio State will fall to between 8 and 10 and make the playoffs. So in order to keep his job Day will need to win at least the 1st and probably the 2nd playoff games.

As an aside, now that college football has damned the Rubicon and is paying it's players and they all are essentially free agents, programs are going to have to create NFL like infrastructures to succeed. Between assessing high school kids and college transfer prospects, paying them and balancing developing talent internally and bringing in transfers there will need to be a GM & Coach. Is Day the right guy to be the "coach" while the Buckeyes hire a true "GM"? I'm not convinced that he is. Day's strength, which is the same for most of the recent highly successful college coaches, is that he was a good coach AND GM. Now the elite programs will need a GREAT coach and a Great GM.
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But you can't "set aside" the fact that this was a rivalry game. That fact matters. It wasn't Alabama getting pasted by the Sooners.
 
D4fan said:
Who are the twelve better teams than OSU. Do you put Penn State and Indiana ahead of OSU? You may not like it, but losing to your number one rival is not going to drop them more than 6-8 spots most likely. They still deserve to be ahead of all other big 10 teams not named Oregon should Oregon beat Penn State. A Penn State win pushes them back one spot.
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Being better than Penn State and Indiana is not one of the critical success factors for this program.

Those are givens.
 
Hammerdrill said:
But you can't "set aside" the fact that this was a rivalry game. That fact matters. It wasn't Alabama getting pasted by the Sooners.
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Fair enough and I get it. But when you add everything up before the game Ohio State was clearly the superior team and by a wide margin with respect to ALL of the pregame tangibles and intangibles. Not to be a sore loser but what I saw wasn't so much Michigan playing inspired football beating the Buckeye's but Ohio State's players & coaches significantly under performing.

And this is the dilemma Ohio State faces. On the surface Day is still a ten game regular season winner who is likley to make the playoffs. By this standard his job should be safe. But taking a closer look Day is 2 - 2 this season in games that could have gone either way. The fact is they could hire me as coach, plop me in a lounge chair on the sideline with a beer and win 8 games. What we're seeing with Day is the equivalent of what we saw with a Marvin Lewis or Marty Schottenheimer - good coaches who never won it all.
 
OldSoulon said:
Being better than Penn State and Indiana is not one of the critical success factors for this program.

Those are givens.
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Yes, my point is if you drop Ohio State below #12, you will have teams in the playoffs that are not as good as OSU, namely Penn State and Indiana.
 
Ah the curious case of Ryan Day.

He has won 66 of 76 games for a winning percentage of .868 . Best among active coaches. He seems a decent man. He represents the University well. His program appears to be compliant. His players tend to avoid the police blotter. The type of coach we should be proud of. The type of coach we would want to stay at Ohio State for many seasons to come.

Yet he is only 1-4 against Michigan and 1-3 in the playoffs. Results that are clearly failures given the expectations, irrational as they may be, of Ohio State football. Thus barring a miraculous run in the playoffs to at least the championship game, Ryan Day will be no more at Ohio State.

Although I have been a Ryan Day supporter, I would support moving on from him. Day has made conscious effort through coaching changes to improve upon his team's deficiencies Yet he just does not seem able to embrace the changes he seeks. Long story short, Ryan Day's failure is himself. Self doubt is a bar to success.

Of course moving on has its own issues and pitfalls. Who would replace Ryan Day or would be crazy enough to take the job? That and Ohio State will have a less talented roster next year due to graduation and losing players to the portal because of the coaching change. Will a rebuild with three or probably more loss seasons be acceptable at Ohio State if Ryan Day is a failure with his record?
 
Omega said:
Ah the curious case of Ryan Day.

He has won 66 of 76 games for a winning percentage of .868 . Best among active coaches. He seems a decent man. He represents the University well. His program appears to be compliant. His players tend to avoid the police blotter. The type of coach we should be proud of. The type of coach we would want to stay at Ohio State for many seasons to come.

Yet he is only 1-4 against Michigan and 1-3 in the playoffs. Results that are clearly failures given the expectations, irrational as they may be, of Ohio State football. Thus barring a miraculous run in the playoffs to at least the championship game, Ryan Day will be no more at Ohio State.

Although I have been a Ryan Day supporter, I would support moving on from him. Day has made conscious effort through coaching changes to improve upon his team's deficiencies Yet he just does not seem able to embrace the changes he seeks. Long story short, Ryan Day's failure is himself. Self doubt is a bar to success.

Of course moving on has its own issues and pitfalls. Who would replace Ryan Day or would be crazy enough to take the job? That and Ohio State will have a less talented roster next year due to graduation and losing players to the portal because of the coaching change. Will a rebuild with three or probably more loss seasons be acceptable at Ohio State if Ryan Day is a failure with his record?
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This may be apples to oranges but I always look back at Nebraska firing Pelini. Here's a guy who won 9-10 games every season for Lincoln and they gave him the boot. Since then Nebraska has only won 9 games in a season ONCE. The lesson here is sometimes fan bases need to be careful what they wish for. They might just get it.
 
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The culture needs to be repaired. Sometimes, but not always, that comes with a short blip in increased losing. Sometimes it has to get worse before it gets better.

I think it’s a mistake to assume things would definitely get worse. They will have losses due to graduation, transfer portal, recruit decommits, etc., but every guy you lose is an added spot for a new coach to fill with the portal or with a traditional recruit. As has been seen at Indiana and Colorado, major outflow can be an advantage to quickly turning the page.

As long as the resources, infrastructure, and NIL are up to snuff (which they will be), a new coach with credible recruiting chops won’t be any worse than what Day is.

Go look at Matt Campbell’s recruiting classes, wins against top-10 and ranked opponents, and year-to-year records at Iowa State compared to the norm when he came in, and then try to come up with a compelling argument that he wouldn’t average going at least 10-2 at Ohio State every year. If that dude is the safety valve/backstop in a coaching search, then it’s time to move on and make the change.
 
scbuckeye99 said:
This may be apples to oranges but I always look back at Nebraska firing Pelini. Here's a guy who won 9-10 games every season for Lincoln and they gave him the boot. Since then Nebraska has only won 9 games in a season ONCE. The lesson here is sometimes fan bases need to be careful what they wish for. They might just get it.
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I agree, Ohio State could definitely be on the cusp of becoming irrelevant on the national scene for a period of time if they move on from Ryan Day regardless of who they might hire. Change never guarantees better results, but not changing has opportunity costs of continued decline built in.

I for one enjoyed Ohio State football under old 8-3 Earle Bruce and could enjoy similar seasons going forward due to my ties to the University. Could those who have only known Ohio State being near the top do the same?
 
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