Elder beats Mason in Overtime

 
More Details on tonight's thrilling game:

* Elder & Mason played to a 0 - 0 draw at half. Both teams had some great opportunities but Mason seemed to gain the advantage as the half went along. Two long range Mason shots hit the post and froze the Elder goalie in place. Both Mason & Elder each had empty nets that they couldn't get the ball into.

* Early in the second half #10 scored to give Elder a 1 - 0 lead. At that point the Panthers went into a bit of a shell and Mason took the game over and pressured the Elder box the rest of the night before notching the equalizer with about 4 minutes left in the game.

* Overtime saw both teams have opportunities to put the game away with Elder drilling home the winning goal about 5 minutes into sudden death.

* Great game to watch with a lot of fast paced action. I give the edge to Mason on possession but they couldn't get that second goal.

* The game was very well officiated. I saw no mistakes by the center ref or the linesmen. They let the kids play but never let it get out of hand. Huge improvement over Saturday's officiating. I would have this crew do the next round of games.

* There was a big crowd tonight and both schools brought large and obnoxious student cheering sections. I thought the Elder chant of "USA", "USA" was classless when Niro took free kicks for Mason. First off, Niro was one of the best, if not the best players out there, and the chant in my opinion was over the line. Aren't there any priests at these games to keep an eye on these kids? Someone in authority from Elder should have nipped that chant in the bud. It does an otherwise classy institution no credit.

So the question is can Elder take state and why did the very talented Mason team get knocked out. IMHO, both Elder and Mason have fatal flaws, though Mason's was far more problematic.

* Mason's fatal flaw was the complete lack of an offensive throw in. I have never seen a team at this level that could not take advantage of throw ins from deep in the opponents side of play. I kid you not when I say that the Comets had at least 20 throw in's from INSIDE the Elder 15 yard line (near the box) and not once were able to put it into the box. Every time they threw to the foot of a player about 5 yards away. Tactically, this put Mason at a huge disadvantage as the Panthers never paid a price for knocking the ball out of bounds adjacent to their box. In contrast, #10 for Elder was throwing the ball into the mason box every time when Elder had a throw in inside the 25! In fact a throw in in overtime set up the chain of events that led to Elder's winning goal.

* Elder's fatal flaw was they don't substitute enough. I know they won the game, but did anyone else notice that #10 and #12 stopped running at the 20 minute mark of the second half and that the Elder midfield was getting beat to almost every ball in the 2nd half of the second half! Sorry, but fatigue clearly had set in. Mason had way to many opportunities in the second half and Elder had way to few effective counter attacks.

Still a great game between two superb soccer teams!
 
Wow, what a match! Mason played very well, they can really control the ball. I also thought that Elder really looked beat towards the end. They were getting run down at the midfield, and the two forwards looked spent. Not sure what they have on the bench, but some fresh legs may have helped. The defense was on their heels most of the second half, but held on strong. #5 really played well for Elder at sweeper. Great low to the ground overtime shot for the win.
 
one of the best games so far this year that i have seen. Elder came out and were controlling the game for the first few minutes. Had a open net header taht hit the crossbar and went straight down. It was cleared off the line

Mason then settled down and began to play their game. They had a few oppurtunities. One was free kick from 30 to 40 yards out that #1 Seth Petrey hit. It had the keeper beat and from the stands you could see the ball moving. It pinged the crossbar. Elder also cleared a ball off the line after tha ball got past the keeper. 0-0 at half.

Elder got their goal about 5 -10 minutes into the second half. The ref made a controversial no call in Mason's box that would of resulted in a PK for elder but it worked out for them b/c the ball slide across the box for elder's out side mid #4 miles to one touch it into the net.

Mason got their tying goal with about 15 minutes left. It was great ball movement that found its way to a forward and the keeper made a great save but the ball rebounded to #7 ivan for mason who slotted the ball home. Mason had a few more oppurtunites but couldn't find the net.

In OT i looked as if mason was going to get a quick goal but there was great defense by elder to black a shot after a great sequence by mason. A few minutes later elder got a free kick. The ball was hit low and hard across the goal where either #9 the other meyer or #12 schaefer redirected the ball into the corner.

This was one of the best officiated games that i have seen and played in all year. He was consistent on the calls he made and didn't make.

Great year for the Comets and Good luck to Elder.
 
Were any of you guys out there surprised at how weak the Mason throw ins were when they were deep in Elder's half of the field? If Mason had a kid that could launch the ball into the box you have to think the Comets might have had a couple more goals. I mean they were getting loads of throw ins adjacent to the Elder box and not once did they have a dangerous throw in. In contrast, Elder had about one quarter as many throw ins but all of them were dangerous and deep into the Mason box. To me this was the difference in the game.
 
Niro is #1 in Div 1

lotr10 said:
More Details on tonight's thrilling game:

* Elder & Mason played to a 0 - 0 draw at half. Both teams had some great opportunities but Mason seemed to gain the advantage as the half went along. Two long range Mason shots hit the post and froze the Elder goalie in place. Both Mason & Elder each had empty nets that they couldn't get the ball into.

* Early in the second half #10 scored to give Elder a 1 - 0 lead. At that point the Panthers went into a bit of a shell and Mason took the game over and pressured the Elder box the rest of the night before notching the equalizer with about 4 minutes left in the game.

* Overtime saw both teams have opportunities to put the game away with Elder drilling home the winning goal about 5 minutes into sudden death.

* Great game to watch with a lot of fast paced action. I give the edge to Mason on possession but they couldn't get that second goal.

* The game was very well officiated. I saw no mistakes by the center ref or the linesmen. They let the kids play but never let it get out of hand. Huge improvement over Saturday's officiating. I would have this crew do the next round of games.

* There was a big crowd tonight and both schools brought large and obnoxious student cheering sections. I thought the Elder chant of "USA", "USA" was classless when Niro took free kicks for Mason. First off, Niro was one of the best, if not the best players out there, and the chant in my opinion was over the line. Aren't there any priests at these games to keep an eye on these kids? Someone in authority from Elder should have nipped that chant in the bud. It does an otherwise classy institution no credit.

So the question is can Elder take state and why did the very talented Mason team get knocked out. IMHO, both Elder and Mason have fatal flaws, though Mason's was far more problematic.

* Mason's fatal flaw was the complete lack of an offensive throw in. I have never seen a team at this level that could not take advantage of throw ins from deep in the opponents side of play. I kid you not when I say that the Comets had at least 20 throw in's from INSIDE the Elder 15 yard line (near the box) and not once were able to put it into the box. Every time they threw to the foot of a player about 5 yards away. Tactically, this put Mason at a huge disadvantage as the Panthers never paid a price for knocking the ball out of bounds adjacent to their box. In contrast, #10 for Elder was throwing the ball into the mason box every time when Elder had a throw in inside the 25! In fact a throw in in overtime set up the chain of events that led to Elder's winning goal.

* Elder's fatal flaw was they don't substitute enough. I know they won the game, but did anyone else notice that #10 and #12 stopped running at the 20 minute mark of the second half and that the Elder midfield was getting beat to almost every ball in the 2nd half of the second half! Sorry, but fatigue clearly had set in. Mason had way to many opportunities in the second half and Elder had way to few effective counter attacks.

Still a great game between two superb soccer teams!
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Niro has great class, is a great player , Niro you will win player of the year div 1 cincy, hold your head high, good luck in college, which ever college is lucky enough to have you, you represent the best of cincinnnati
 
lotr10 said:
Were any of you guys out there surprised at how weak the Mason throw ins were when they were deep in Elder's half of the field? If Mason had a kid that could launch the ball into the box you have to think the Comets might have had a couple more goals. I mean they were getting loads of throw ins adjacent to the Elder box and not once did they have a dangerous throw in. In contrast, Elder had about one quarter as many throw ins but all of them were dangerous and deep into the Mason box. To me this was the difference in the game.
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I don't believe this was the difference in the game, and I think you are putting a little too much emphasis on the long throw. True, some teams use this as an advantage, Fairfield and Elder being the most notable over the last few years. But that just didn't appear to be Mason's style of play. They were much more content retaining possession, quick passing, using space to generate their offensive attacks, and a few of those opportunities started off the throws deep in Elder territory.
 
charlemurphy said:
You took the USA cheer wrong. I am sure they ment USA as in United Soccer Association
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I don't think he took the cheer wrong way. But having said that, either I only heard it couple times early in the game before the Elder administration put an end to it or I was too caught up in the game to notice.

But lets not get caught up in the politically incorrect cheers from the two student sections and keep the discussion to the great game played tonight by both teams.
 
Awesome game. Mason definitely had better posession the second half, Elder ran out of gas at minute 20. Just think if Mason had a stud keeper, unstoppable. I'm not putting down the keep, he does well for a soph(i think?).

The game was fast paced action. Petrey ripped his shot. One of the best I've ever seen in high school ball. Thought Elder clearly deserved 2 easy PK's, but they capitalized off the one no call.

Both cheering sections did some unclassy chants/posters. Elder did stop the USA cheer 2nd half, the AD stepped in and put a stop to it. Gotta love the fan support that came out for both teams.

Mason is clearly one of the best midfields I've ever seen come through cincy.

Come and support Cincy through the rest of the playoffs!
 
Luke said:
this was a clear push to the back right in front of the net.
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The play that you are talking about was not "right in front of the net".
It was, in fact, out at the top of the box.
If the ref thought that it was a foul that needed to be called, he could have called it and placed the ball outside of the box. That's how close it was.
Do you remember where the ref was at the time of the play?
Maybe 10 yards behind and just slightly left.
He had a perfect view of what happened and decided not to call it.
Why? I don't know.
What I thought was kind of funny was the majority of the Elder fans weren't even paying attention to where the ball went after the "foul" and didn't see how the goal developed. They were too busy yelling at the ref and looking at where that play was.
I think that you will hear from many people that this was a very well officiated game.
I was sitting with a very experienced official who is also a state assessor and he said that the official would have passed every aspect of an assessment.
You may have/have not wanted a foul here or there, but you'll have that in every game. That is why they are judgement calls. I will take the judgement of an official with a view from where he was rather one from someone who was 60-80 yards away.
 
soref said:
What I thought was kind of funny was the majority of the Elder fans weren't even paying attention to where the ball went after the "foul" and didn't see how the goal developed. They were too busy yelling at the ref and looking at where that play was.
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Now I want to know how you know what the Elder fans were doing? Were you watching the coaches?? They were yelling at the ref too until the ball went into the back of the net. People can yell and watch at the same time. I thought he missed an easy call when Corbett was tripped from behind as he split two defenders. Other than that, the officiating was pretty good. Maybe a little inconsistent on the "hands on the back" call during head balls, but nothing too big. Compared to last week, he did a stellar job.
 
It was a great game... Everything that needs to be said was already said so I won't repeat it.

Whoever #10 is for Elder is a ballplayer, not to mention I don't think I've seen a team that can hit the throw ins as far as Elder...
 
Luke said:
FYI - with the exception of the ref not having the balls to call a penalty inside the box I thought it was a pretty well officiated game.

BUT....when you have a clear drag down trip in front of the goal and a clear push from behind inside the box as a ref you have to have the guts to call it.

It's just that simple.
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Easy buddy, the good guys won. The apparent foul on Corbett at the top of the box not inside, w/ @ 7 minutes left in the 2nd half was about the only no call I could complain about. I think Hice did a pretty good job selling the trip that resulted in the free kick to end the game. Maybe that was a makeup call for the possible miss moments earlier inside the box. Players today are very good at acting and tonight's crew overall did an excellent job letting the game be decided by the players.
 
If you want to keep track of things that "could" have been called,
THere was another call that wasn't made in regulation play when the Elder goalie flatened one of the Mason players - not sure the player number but It was in the box, could have been a PK for Mason. I wasn't sure why the ref didn't call that one, but there were equal incidents like that on both sides.

If anyone that was at the game that is a ref and saw it maybe you can explain why that one wasn't called.

I thought the refs did 100% better than last Saturday.

Both teams played really well tonight. Mason should be proud of their accomplishment and Elder I hope go far into the tournament.
 
Some observations...

1) Mason's lack of a throw-in was surprising to me. I'll agree with you there, but...

2) More surprising were Mason's corner kicks. (I'm surprised no one has commented on them.) Not one comes to mind where a true chance on goal was created. How a team "that good" does so poorly on corner kicks is beyond me.

3) Elder needs some conditioning and/or better/more substitutions. Panthers looked beat out there. Mason looked good.

4) Non-calls. Saw a few hand balls that were missed (how can we see them from the stands, but the center ref and linesmen kept missing them?); a ball headed out of bounds by a Mason player and the throw in was awarded to Mason (huh?); the near-yellow-card tackle by Elder on the short Mason kid up front (got ball first, but then cleats went up to the knees -- the kid was down for some time); the obvious shove in the back by Mason inside the box (should have been a PK), especially when so many ticky-tack "hands on the back / little shoves" were called all game long...

5) Why does Elder share one big bottle of water?

6) Mason was SKILL-ful. Very, very good team. Wish I could have done stuff like that when I was in high school.

7) Mason's cheering section's lack of originality ("We have girls!").
 
Regardless of whether the USA chant had racial undertones or not, I think it really reveals the class and ingorance of the Elder Fans when they were yelling things like "get a Green Card" and "you f****** immigrant go back to Afghanistan". Niro was born in the US btw and his parents are from Sri Lanka. Good luck to Elder in the tournament, but their fan's lack of class is appalling.
 
allsportsfan4422 said:
THere was another call that wasn't made in regulation play when the Elder goalie flatened one of the Mason players - not sure the player number but It was in the box, could have been a PK for Mason. I wasn't sure why the ref didn't call that one, but there were equal incidents like that on both sides.

If anyone that was at the game that is a ref and saw it maybe you can explain why that one wasn't called.
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I think the play that you are talking about is when the keeper came out toward the top of the box, jumped over top of the Mason player and cleared the ball with his fists.

Usually those plays will not get called unless the keeper just blatently takes the player out. The keeper came out, made a somewhat straight jump over the striker, played the ball first, and then contact was made. The Mason player didn't even really jump or try for the ball once he realized that the keeper was jumping up behind him.
One other reason that this play wasn't called (and maybe the other that the Elder fans want) is because the ref will look at the play and decide if the play was a legitimate goal scoring opportunity. This play definitly was not, but there would be more of an argument on the "take down in front of the net" that happened at the other end of the field.
I believe it was a good decision on the ref's part to not call both fouls so that the game wasn't decided on a PK.
He allowed them to play all night long and that is how the game was won, by the players playing and deciding it themselves.
 
~Anonymous~ said:
Regardless of whether the USA chant had racial undertones or not, I think it really reveals the class and ingorance of the Elder Fans when they were yelling things like "get a Green Card" and "you f****** immigrant go back to Afghanistan". Niro was born in the US btw and his parents are from Sri Lanka. Good luck to Elder in the tournament, but their fan's lack of class is appalling.
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Please. Assuming these really DID happen, that means you were sitting VERY close to the Elder cheering section. If you were sitting that close to the cheering section, that means you were on the Elder side. If you were on the Elder side, then you just lumped yourself into the "classless" fans that you mentioned in your post.

The fact that you know so much about Niro (a VERY good player, by the way) leads me to think you're a Mason fan... who sits ALL the way across the field with other Mason fans.

Bottom line... Cheering section didn't chant these things. You didn't hear them. Making things up is weak.
 
Ok, here is my take, as I was the AR on the Mason side.

1. There were no "handling" (not hand ball, as handling is a verb) calls that should have been made from what I saw. Anything that may have resembled handling was incidental contact.

2. The foul to the Mason player that wasn't called regarding the cleats being up resulting in his injury was not seen by me. I was watching the offside line and glanced over just as he got taken out so I didn't see clearly what happened. Therefore, i didn't raise my flag. The play ultimately resulted in the Mason goal.

3. Yes, there were some questionable no calls inside the box and/or just outside of it. However, as a referee in a game like that, you don't want to call a PK if it is not a blatant foul. That's not to say that it will never be called and you can basically murder someone in the box, but as SOREF said, you don't want to have something like that decide the game if it was agressive play.

4. The supposed foul on the Elder GK where he came out and took out the Mason player while clearing the ball was not a foul. The GK has every right to the ball as a field player. However, because he can use his hands, he has more leniancy for going for the ball. He cleary made every attempt at the ball and not the player, so that would never be called. I'm a GK, too, and I would do that every time without worrying about a call.

5. Speaking of GK.......the Mason GK made some pretty obvious fouls of his own that I saw but not in my jurisdiction to call. For example, on set pieces and/or corner kicks, the Elder player that stood in front of the Mason GK was continuously pushed out of the way by the Mason GK. To the Elder guy's credit, he didn't complain about it at all and continued to play.

6. Regarding the student cheering sections, the Mason kids weren't nearly as innocent as one may think. They were making some rather line-crossing comments themselves. The funny part is that they couldn't get off of Elder #4's yellow shoes. They wouldn't constantly make comments about them. Stupid, but funny.

7. I have officiated with that center ref before in a late round match a few years back, and he is just as consistent now as he was then. I wouldn't give one complaint about him at all.
 
Observation #8...

Who was working the PA system?

Mason throw in: "THROW-IN MASON!!!"
Elder throw in: "Throw in Elder... sigh."
Mason corner kick: "CORNER KICK COMETS!!!!!!"
Elder corner kick: <cricket> ... <cricket>

Had I known a Mason community member was working the PA, I would have brought my HOA dues and paid them at the gate (I'm a month behind). ;)
 
~Anonymous~ said:
Regardless of whether the USA chant had racial undertones or not, I think it really reveals the class and ingorance of the Elder Fans when they were yelling things like "get a Green Card" and "you f****** immigrant go back to Afghanistan". Niro was born in the US btw and his parents are from Sri Lanka. Good luck to Elder in the tournament, but their fan's lack of class is appalling.
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My son plays for Elder and i was sitting by the student cheering section and i did not hear anything about "green cards" or "you f****** immigrant go back to Afghanistan". I did hear the "USA, USA" chant and that was stopeed by our AD. The Mason student section was just as bad with their verbal shots too. I went over to the concession stand at halftime (I was wearing a Elder sweatshirt) and i had 3-4 F-Bombs lobbed my way by Mason students.

It goes both ways...Just because your team lost a very close battle between two very good teams doesn't mean you have to take shots at the Elder fans in general. I love how some people will make cr@p up to make other schools look bad just to make themselves feel better. Go stomp on some more over-ripened grapes....
 
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