Division III State Semifinal: Badin (13-0) vs Granville (13-0)

Who wins?

  • Badin by 17+

    Votes: 4 5.9%

  • Badin by 8-16

    Votes: 15 22.1%

  • Badin by 1-7

    Votes: 20 29.4%

  • Granville by 1-7

    Votes: 17 25.0%

  • Granville by 8-16

    Votes: 8 11.8%

  • Granville by 17+

    Votes: 4 5.9%
  • Total voters
    68
  • Poll closed .
zeeman said:
Look, Badin dominated that game with their second string QB, their RB ran for over 200 yards and their D gave up 2 yards rushing. Bellbrook, McNick hell even the second team in the playoffs and CJ were better than Grainville
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Oh, so you think you do know it. ? Why not just win with class? This is not a good look for you.
 
Hammerdrill said:
Oh, so you think you do know it. ? Why not just win with class? This is not a good look for you.
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Don’t really care what you think, the reality is Grainville was a decent little team, not the best team Badin played this year, sorry that bothers you so much ??
 
zeeman said:
Don’t really care what you think, the reality is Grainville was a decent little team, not the best team Badin played this year, sorry that bothers you so much ??
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It doesn't bother me. I never said, or thought they were the best team you played. Just try to be happy with your win, without denigrating your opponent.
 
Hammerdrill said:
It doesn't bother me. I never said, or thought they were the best team you played. Just try to be happy with your win, without denigrating your opponent.
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How is it denigrating the opponent? I have zero ties to Badin’s team and this is a freaking HS forum ?
 
Hammerdrill said:
It doesn't bother me. I never said, or thought they were the best team you played. Just try to be happy with your win, without denigrating your opponent.
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It’s all good Zeeman is still thinking he is still on the Badin Team living in the past Sorry they weren’t that good when you played
Al Bundy
The game is over good luck next week You beat us by 14 points not a blow out
Again you only scored 14 on our terrible defense
Do that to Chardon
Your insane dude
Game is over and still taking
 
14svt said:
It’s all good Zeeman is still thinking he is still on the Badin Team living in the past Sorry they weren’t that good when you played
Al Bundy
The game is over good luck next week You beat us by 14 points not a blow out
Again you only scored 14 on our terrible defense
Do that to Chardon
Your insane dude
Game is over and still taking
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As are you ?
 
14svt said:
Catholic Recruiting at its finest
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Yes. Just trying to feed the trolls. It’s been rather easy.
People just fail to grasp that catholic schools need students to stay open. Therefore they have to recruit students to pay their bills. I would argue that most public schools have a distinct advantage because of the amount of state money poured into their districts. Better facilities, better curriculum, better teachers, better coaches. At least they should with the money they are paid.
 
NewOldBlood said:
Well, in fairness, in not for competitive balance Badin would be playing in D4 so we'll call it a scratch.
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In fairness, privates that recruit from D1 districts or from an area that would in aggregate comprise a D1 district should be competing against D1 teams for the post season. The most fair approach would be for privates to have their own post season.
 
Percidae said:
In fairness, privates that recruit from D1 districts or from an area that would in aggregate comprise a D1 district should be competing against D1 teams for the post season. The most fair approach would be for privates to have their own post season.
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Thats literally one of the dumbest suggestions I've heard regarding the public/private debate. Be better homie.
 
Percidae said:
In fairness, privates that recruit from D1 districts or from an area that would in aggregate comprise a D1 district should be competing against D1 teams for the post season. The most fair approach would be for privates to have their own post season.
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Badin has 242 boys. Without competitive balance that would be a mid-sized D4 school. Chardon and Granville both have 342 boys, only 30 boys away from the D2/D3 cutoff. I would say that more than levels the playing field. To suggest Badin or any other D3 or lower private school should play in a division where most teams would have somewhere between 3 to 5 times the students they have is really just kind of foolish. There are 14 schools competing for a state title this weekend. 9 of them are public schools. Ohio does not need a separate playoff system for private schools.
 
NewOldBlood said:
Badin has 242 boys. Without competitive balance that would be a mid-sized D4 school. Chardon and Granville both have 342 boys, only 30 boys away from the D2/D3 cutoff. I would say that more than levels the playing field. To suggest Badin or any other D3 or lower private school should play in a division where most teams would have somewhere between 3 to 5 times the students they have is really just kind of foolish. There are 14 schools competing for a state title this weekend. 9 of them are public schools. Ohio does not need a separate playoff system for private schools.
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If the students represented a random sampling from a reasonable geographic area surrounding the school, I would agree. We both know this is not the case. My opinion is that the actual number of boys in the school has very little to do with it when you can hand-pick key athletes. It does not take many to make a huge difference. One key athlete can dominate. Many privates appear to focus on being magnets for athletics. Badin appears to be one of them. All you need to do is go to their web site and you can tell right away what their focus is (https://www.badinhs.org/). The picture says it all.

Most publics have up and down years. From what I have observed, it is certain Catholic schools that have an uncanny ability to reload and be contenders almost every year without fail. Unless there is a coaching change and recruiting suffers for a year or two. Certainly there are exceptions but the trends are pretty hard to ignore. The feeder stream for athletes on average is quite different between public and privates.

I have also observed that the strength of small/mid-sized catholic athletics is inversely proportional to the size/quality of their marching band. I have always wondered why that is. Do they feel it is best to keep the money on the field? For Friday, I will be rooting for the D3 team that actually has a marching band.
 
Percidae said:
If the students represented a random sampling from a reasonable geographic area surrounding the school, I would agree. We both know this is not the case. My opinion is that the actual number of boys in the school has very little to do with it when you can hand-pick key athletes. It does not take many to make a huge difference. One key athlete can dominate. Many privates appear to focus on being magnets for athletics. Badin appears to be one of them. All you need to do is go to their web site and you can tell right away what their focus is (https://www.badinhs.org/). The picture says it all.

Most publics have up and down years. From what I have observed, it is certain Catholic schools that have an uncanny ability to reload and be contenders almost every year without fail. Unless there is a coaching change and recruiting suffers for a year or two. Certainly there are exceptions but the trends are pretty hard to ignore. The feeder stream for athletes on average is quite different between public and privates.

I have also observed that the strength of small/mid-sized catholic athletics is inversely proportional to the size/quality of their marching band. I have always wondered why that is. Do they feel it is best to keep the money on the field? For Friday, I will be rooting for the D3 team that actually has a marching band.
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Badin is a magnet for athletics, but 1) they have very few, if any, players that transfer into the school after the start of 9th grade. There is not some mass exodus of great players from Hamilton, Ross, Fairfield, Edgewood or Talawanda. The good majority of players/students attended one of the local Catholic feeder schools before entering high school. 2) Badin IS NOT handpicking athletes to come play for them. I have followed the football program pretty closely for the last 10 years or so and I cannot recall a single DI college signee during that time. I could be wrong, but I assure there hasn't been more than 1 or 2 in that time period. If they were "handpicking key athletes" as you suggest, they are not doing a very good job of it. 3) I'm fine with you rooting for the public schools. In 99 out of 100 games I would probably do the same. I am a product of public schools and the only reason I support Badin is due to some close personal relationships within the program. Competitive balance has served it's purpose outside of the large DI programs. A public school will have the opportunity to win a state title in all 7 divisions this year. Your suggestion that schools should play in a division based on the geographical area they draw from doesn't make sense. No school, public or private does that nor should they have to. The overwhelming majority of private schools are already playing a division or 2 higher than their enrollment numbers.
 
"Your suggestion that schools should play in a division based on the geographical area they draw from doesn't make sense."

What would be your specific objection? Badin (D3) did not play Hamilton (D1) this year but if they had, who would have won?

My local catholic school competes at the D7 level and would have had no problem beating the D1 school that is a part of their recruiting zone. They regularly beat D2 public schools that are in their league.

The fact that even after competitive balance, privates can still compete effectively 2-5 divisions above their tournament division suggest to me that we are still out of balance.
 
Percidae said:
"Your suggestion that schools should play in a division based on the geographical area they draw from doesn't make sense."

What would be your specific objection? Badin (D3) did not play Hamilton (D1) this year but if they had, who would have won?

My local catholic school competes at the D7 level and would have had no problem beating the D1 school that is a part of their recruiting zone. They regularly beat D2 public schools that are in their league.

The fact that even after competitive balance, privates can still compete effectively 2-5 divisions above their tournament division suggest to me that we are still out of balance.
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Badin used to play Hamilton and would have smacked them this year. They used to play Fairfield too but that series ended long ago. Is your goal to have separate divisions? I’ve long been a proponent of that myself but it would only delegitimize the publics in the long run.
 
Percidae said:
"Your suggestion that schools should play in a division based on the geographical area they draw from doesn't make sense."

What would be your specific objection? Badin (D3) did not play Hamilton (D1) this year but if they had, who would have won?

My local catholic school competes at the D7 level and would have had no problem beating the D1 school that is a part of their recruiting zone. They regularly beat D2 public schools that are in their league.

The fact that even after competitive balance, privates can still compete effectively 2-5 divisions above their tournament division suggest to me that we are still out of balance.
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Would you be referring to Newark Catholic? If so, I could pick numerous D7 schools both public and private that would have no problem beating Newark. This is because Newark is just that bad.

The only D2 school that NC plays fairly regularly is Licking Heights and NC is 2-5 against them since starting to play them again in 2015 after a long time of not playing them. And LH is not a good program either.
 
zeeman said:
Badin used to play Hamilton and would have smacked them this year. They used to play Fairfield too but that series ended long ago. Is your goal to have separate divisions? I’ve long been a proponent of that myself but it would only delegitimize the publics in the long run.
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I would like to see one of two changes. Separate tournament for Private/Public or have privates compete in the tournament at the division that is congruent to their draw/recruiting area. I suspect this would mean almost all privates would compete at D1.
 
Percidae said:
I would like to see one of two changes. Separate tournament for Private/Public or have privates compete in the tournament at the division that is congruent to their draw/recruiting area. I suspect this would mean almost all privates would compete at D1.
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So the same DI private schools, Ed's, Iggy, Moe, X, Elder continue to play for and win championships while the rest struggle to compete. C'mon, man. DI is the only level that competitive balance isn't working because there is nowhere for those schools to go. Only adults care about playing private schools in the tournament. Most high school athletes at public schools welcome the challenge. We use to play Elder, Moe, and X when I was in high school and the times we won were some of our best memories. Most of the advantages that private schools have has little to do with athletic talent and everything to do with alumni, community and family support. I played college ball with a bunch of dudes out of the GCL and they were no better athletes or players than the dudes coming out of public schools.
 
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