DaOne Owens.......................

Would Daone have won that game if he was CS's QB instead of Snyder? Would Massillon have lost if Snyder was their QB?

We will never know the answer to either but IMHO nothing changes in either of those situations. Both are talented players. This is just a Massillon vs everyone passing match.
I did not start this thread for any reason other than to point out the way the coaches vote in Stark County can be, interesting, shall we say?

Never saw Snyder play a down, and I have no problem with whatever accolades he receives. He must have been an amazing talent. Same with Zurbrugg. I just feel that when you have 3 top flight quarterbacks, you don't slight any of them.
 
I think we're mostly agreed that Stark Cty had 3 pretty special high school quarterbacks this year.

Curious. If say, in 3-4 years, Zurbrugg has become the starting QB at Oklahoma, does that change anyone's thoughts currently held in retrospect?
 
I did not start this thread for any reason other than to point out the way the coaches vote in Stark County can be, interesting, shall we say?

Never saw Snyder play a down, and I have no problem with whatever accolades he receives. He must have been an amazing talent. Same with Zurbrugg. I just feel that when you have 3 top flight quarterbacks, you don't slight any of them.
I have no dog in this fight and I'm not saying you had any ill intent in starting this thread. But it was clear that a Massillon vs everyone tone was taking hold. I just commented to some Massillon posters who made what I feel are weak arguments.

Again I'm not even from Ohio, I'm just a guest. But it rub me the wrong way when I saw a kid be, let's call it questioned, because he wore a uniform over a perfered school. With that said I see others do it to Massillon players and I call that out to especially if the argument is weak like these one were.
 
Stark County had three first team all-Ohio QBs. Owens was first team all-state for Division 2, Zurbrugg for Division 3, and Snyder for Division 4. Since the all-Stark County team, which includes all divisions, could only have two QBs on the first team, one of them had to be left out no matter what.
4 including Petro from Sandy Valley and he made first team all county as a DB. I get everyone think DaOne was slighted but I’m not sure who you take off. Secondly, didn’t Massillon have like 6 first team all county kids? I’m not sure who has an agenda if that’s the case.
 
4 including Petro from Sandy Valley and he made first team all county as a DB. I get everyone think DaOne was slighted but I’m not sure who you take off. Secondly, didn’t Massillon have like 6 first team all county kids? I’m not sure who has an agenda if that’s the case.
Right because only 6 deserved it 🙄 at any rate as MT3 said “who cares about the All County team”, we take care of the County on the field.
 
I think we're mostly agreed that Stark Cty had 3 pretty special high school quarterbacks this year.

Curious. If say, in 3-4 years, Zurbrugg has become the starting QB at Oklahoma, does that change anyone's thoughts currently held in retrospect?
Not for me. I think that the all-County team should be based only on how the players performed this year and should not be affected by how they do in future seasons.

Zurbrugg is the highest rated college prospect of the three and will probably have the most impressive college career. However, based on what the three of them accomplished this year, and this year alone, I would rank Snyder and Owens ahead of him.
 
The coaches of the Federal League have been known at times to favor their fellow conference members when it comes to voting for seeding (the 2019 and 2020 Canton district basketball votes, and the 2020 Region 7 football votes come to mind). In this case, though, with all of the Stark County coaches were voting (20 non-FL coaches compared to 6 FL coaches) and all three of the players in question being from non-FL schools, I see no reason to suspect that there was any bias against Owens and Massillon here.
 
The coaches of the Federal League have been known at times to favor their fellow conference members when it comes to voting for seeding (the 2019 and 2020 Canton district basketball votes, and the 2020 Region 7 football votes come to mind). In this case, though, with all of the Stark County coaches were voting (20 non-FL coaches compared to 6 FL coaches) and all three of the players in question being from non-FL schools, I see no reason to suspect that there was any bias against Owens and Massillon here.
No of course there has never been any bias towards Massillon from the rest of the County. 🙄
Just stop with the excuses, as Massillon fans we have watched this for decades now.
 
The coaches of the Federal League have been known at times to favor their fellow conference members when it comes to voting for seeding (the 2019 and 2020 Canton district basketball votes, and the 2020 Region 7 football votes come to mind). In this case, though, with all of the Stark County coaches were voting (20 non-FL coaches compared to 6 FL coaches) and all three of the players in question being from non-FL schools, I see no reason to suspect that there was any bias against Owens and Massillon here.
If Owens played against the Pac-7 for 3 years his numbers would be off the charts. It would get ugly really fast. Poochie is great qb but Owens is much bigger, stronger and faster. They wouldn't have wanted any part of him in that league.
 
If Owens played against the Pac-7 for 3 years his numbers would be off the charts. It would get ugly really fast. Poochie is great qb but Owens is much bigger, stronger and faster. They wouldn't have wanted any part of him in that league.
Also I'm not really trying to be that guy but everybody does it to Massillon so might as well speak on it. Let's also not forget that Canton South also had some transfers from Massillon and McKinley that played a big part in their success I am by no means trying to take away anything that poochie did but you combined them athletes along with what they already had and then put them in the Pac 7 it's going to be a movie just like it was. I am not trying to be a homer or anything like that but I truly do think level of competition needs to start being a factor in some of these decisions because a outstanding ball player is going to shine regardless of competition and they're going to make their impact but that's like the kid from Lake who I believe was Stark County player of the year last year did not show up in the crunch time because of the level of competition that he was playing just so everybody understands that I'm not being biased I remember in 2015 when Massillon and Perry played Sims was all out ball player he gassed everybody he played and if I'm not mistaken I believe he will start counting player of the year and he rightfully deserved it.
 
When I saw his name on 1st team all-state, I was surprised because his stats were not eye popping. He averaged a little over 104 yards passing and 86 yards rushing. Yes he led a team to the state championship, I just don't think it warrants 1st team because of it. There were some good QB's in Stark County this year so I see nothing wrong with him off 1st team Stark County. Not against the kid at all, but I am still against everyone gets a trophy way of all-star teams any more. Do the votes, top vote getter is 1st team, 2nd most votes is 2nd team, 3rd most votes third team, 4-10 vote getters get honorable mention, anyone else to get votes, special mention.
 
When I saw his name on 1st team all-state, I was surprised because his stats were not eye popping. He averaged a little over 104 yards passing and 86 yards rushing. Yes he led a team to the state championship, I just don't think it warrants 1st team because of it. There were some good QB's in Stark County this year so I see nothing wrong with him off 1st team Stark County. Not against the kid at all, but I am still against everyone gets a trophy way of all-star teams any more. Do the votes, top vote getter is 1st team, 2nd most votes is 2nd team, 3rd most votes third team, 4-10 vote getters get honorable mention, anyone else to get votes, special mention.
I can honestly respect that but like I said earlier though for me it just comes down to the level of competition and I literally watched Owens take over the Valdosta game and St Ed's game. For me it's not just even Massillon kids but if you're playing against the best of the best and you are leading your team I feel like you definitely should be rewarded for that I don't feel like it's the case of everybody gets a trophy and again I'm not taking away nothing that Poochie Snyder did but for me I just find it more impressive when a kid can take over a game against a nationally ranked team on the biggest stage compared to a kid taking over a game against the regular opponent and I know to some that might seems like I'm taking a jab at him because I'm not but I'm going to look at stats against a top-ranked team in the state compared to Fairless.
 
When I saw his name on 1st team all-state, I was surprised because his stats were not eye popping. He averaged a little over 104 yards passing and 86 yards rushing. Yes he led a team to the state championship, I just don't think it warrants 1st team because of it. There were some good QB's in Stark County this year so I see nothing wrong with him off 1st team Stark County. Not against the kid at all, but I am still against everyone gets a trophy way of all-star teams any more. Do the votes, top vote getter is 1st team, 2nd most votes is 2nd team, 3rd most votes third team, 4-10 vote getters get honorable mention, anyone else to get votes, special mention.
Also personally I wasn't really impressed with the kid from Alliance I felt like that Oklahoma offers not going to be valid in a couple years and he will transfer out just in my personal opinion I didn't see enough from him to warrant him a power five offer.
 
I can honestly respect that but like I said earlier though for me it just comes down to the level of competition and I literally watched Owens take over the Valdosta game and St Ed's game. For me it's not just even Massillon kids but if you're playing against the best of the best and you are leading your team I feel like you definitely should be rewarded for that I don't feel like it's the case of everybody gets a trophy and again I'm not taking away nothing that Poochie Snyder did but for me I just find it more impressive when a kid can take over a game against a nationally ranked team on the biggest stage compared to a kid taking over a game against the regular opponent and I know to some that might seems like I'm taking a jab at him because I'm not but I'm going to look at stats against a top-ranked team in the state compared to Fairless.
Put Poochie with your team and what do you think would happen?? Pretty much the same results if not better. What a person does with lesser talent around them shows the quality of a player as well. I see that was a major problem with the Alliance kid. You can only do the first part of the pass, they can't catch it, plus that line he had didn't help much either.
 
Not for me. I think that the all-County team should be based only on how the players performed this year and should not be affected by how they do in future seasons.

Zurbrugg is the highest rated college prospect of the three and will probably have the most impressive college career. However, based on what the three of them accomplished this year, and this year alone, I would rank Snyder and Owens ahead of him.
Excellent post and spot on.
 
Put Poochie with your team and what do you think would happen?? Pretty much the same results if not better. What a person does with lesser talent around them shows the quality of a player as well. I see that was a major problem with the Alliance kid. You can only do the first part of the pass, they can't catch it, plus that line he had didn't help much either.
I don't think this for one second. Also, what results could be better? All were deserving. Never really put much stock in post-season awards anyway. Congrats to all of them.
 
Put Poochie with your team and what do you think would happen?? Pretty much the same results if not better. What a person does with lesser talent around them shows the quality of a player as well. I see that was a major problem with the Alliance kid. You can only do the first part of the pass, they can't catch it, plus that line he had didn't help much either.
I don't think we have the same result because I don't think he can take the punishment that Owens was able to take because you have to realize Da'one is 6'1 215-220 running a lot of QB power. But that's the thing as well though poochie had a lot of talent around him so he wasn't alone
 
Enjoy your state championship and stop whining. No wonder no one likes Massillon. Bunch of looneys.
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Today's (Thursday) Interviews:

12:03 Brendan Zurbrugg QB Alliance, rated #7 nationally, going to Oklahoma
12:15 Jordan Marshall, "Mr. Football," RB Cincinnati Moeller, going to Michigan
12:30 Poochie Snyder, Canton South QB, D4 Offensive Player of the Year, Sacred Heart
12:45 - 1:20 Massillon Tigers, Many of the seniors
 
Today's (Thursday) Interviews:

12:03 Brendan Zurbrugg QB Alliance, rated #7 nationally, going to Oklahoma
12:15 Jordan Marshall, "Mr. Football," RB Cincinnati Moeller, going to Michigan
12:30 Poochie Snyder, Canton South QB, D4 Offensive Player of the Year, Sacred Heart
12:45 - 1:20 Massillon Tigers, Many of the seniors

Zurbrugg is rated #67 on 247Sports QB rankings, not #7.
 
Y'all lucky Smoove wasn't around to vaccinate that Stark COunty POY award, y'all! Wait, ummm, Smoove don't know why there is so much hate flyin' round up in here. Massillon win a title, poundin' people through the process, just like Smoove operationates, and people are upsettified that they QB not all-county, yet he is All-Ohio??? Hmmmm.......Get you heads out yo' rear ends, Massillon PEEPS!!!! Y'all won the smack down, the uppitty-up, the big-boppin' burrito, y'all!!!! Get a picture of that hardware and flaunt that thang!!!! Don't be tryin' to denuncificate and denouncify some other player's accomplishmentations.....As Smoove always do when there is a Concessionary Chickie that show mad respectification to Smoove and we go out on the town, "Let's go get it on!" Mad Props to Massillon. THAT was one bad-bootied defense y'all had, and while Smoove don't bow down to nones, well, unless Halle Berry would come up callin' out to Smoove (which has happenated before), then Smoove would definitely obligify whatever that fine thang would want, Smoove give the maddest props and accolades to Massillon for a well-done season.

Now QUIT THE pettiness, y'all, be like Smoove and just have kindness in yo tone, sweetness in yo words, and peace in yo hearts!! It is Christmas time, y'all, there lots of thangs to be grouchy and mean-spiritational about, but just try to be more like Smoove and be full of The Season and be grateful for FINALLY seeing Massillon win a 'ship on the field! Halle-Glory Berry, come find Smoove, Girl!!!! Smoove aims to Please!!! Smoove out
Well said. He's a champ and All Ohio, who cares?
 
Smoove is not pleasiated nor happy with y'all. So much pettiness and unuseful speaking going on. Y'all should prolly start the conversationalization 'bout who's Dad can beat the other's Dad up? Or who's Dad can jump over their house? Or does Smoove rilly get with all those Concessionary Chickies? (YES! Affirmativified by Smoove hisself!) Or who's Mom is hotter than the other's?........Well, if that be the argumentation, let Smoove come 'round and decidify THAT!!!
Y'all spittin' game that will NEVER be decidified, so Smoove gonna call it what it be...STOOPID! Y'all be better than this! Quit! Smoove have spoked and Smoove means it! It is a Special time of the year, y'all, Massillon won they State Title that they been lackin' for so many years, Pootchie or DaOne, who know who the bestest? Do it rilly matterify? They both the bestest for they own teams when they needed to be. One of them made deep run into the playoffs for the first time, and the other won a state title. Y'all, they good, rilly good! As The Beatles had preachified many years before:
"Let it Be, Let it Be,
Let it Be, Let it Be,
They both Rilly Good,
DaOne and Pootchie."

Well, maybe Smoove put Smoove's own spinnation and Smoovification on it, but it was somethin' like that!
Be good to each other, y'all, this the time of year to be like Smoove and just be better than ehrbody else. 🤨
Now don't y'all make Smoove come back up in here and lay the wood back down 'cuz there is some hot chickie Smoove have Smoove's eyes on right aboutched NOW! Smoove out!
 
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