College Football Conference Shuffling

ogealbhain said:
Rumor or just a thought?
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Rumor. Seemed pretty credible although I can’t get it through my head we could end up with these crazy cross-country super conferences.

If the B1G really does raid the PAC, the rest of CFB is thrown into complete chaos that would knock over 100 more dominos
 
OhioBobcatFan06 said:
Rumor. Seemed pretty credible although I can’t get it through my head we could end up with these crazy cross-country super conferences.

If the B1G really does raid the PAC, the rest of CFB is thrown into complete chaos that would knock over 100 more dominos
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Notre Dame is tied to the acc through 2035. It would take blowing up the acc to get them. It won't just be ND in the big 10
 
Alright...let's start to talk crazy. Heard the other day that the ACC, B1O, B12, & PAC are talking to one another about how to combat the situation...so

Four 14 team conferences, 2 Semi-Final games, 1 championship game.


EAST CONFERENCE
Boston College
Syracuse
Rutgers
Maryland
Penn State
Pittsburgh
Ohio State
Michigan
Michigan State
Notre Dame
Indiana
West Virginia
Cincinnati
Purdue

SOUTH EAST
Virginia Tech
Virginia
Louisville
Houston
Duke
North Carolina
Clemson
Florida State
Miami
Wake Forest
NC State
Georgia Tech
Memphis
UCF

MIDWEST CONFERENCE
Wisconsin
Minnesota
Northwestern
Illinois
Kansas
Kansas State
Iowa
Nebraska
Oklahoma St
Iowa State
Colorado
Utah
Boise State
BYU

WEST CONFERENCE
USC
UCLA
Arizona
Arizona St
Texas Tech
TCU
Baylor
Oregon
Oregon St
Washington
Washington St
California
Stanford
SMU

Take the best team from each conference. East plays Southeast for EASTERN Championship. West plays Midwest for WESTERN Championship. East Champ plays West Champ for overall champion. Yes, I know there's 14 teams per conference, but they can play each other on a rotating basis. You can still pick a champion for each "conference" based on conference records, etc. Memphis, Houston, SMU (Dallas), BYU, Cincinnati, UCF (Orlando) and Boise State all add TV markets and followings. Hey, if the B1O thinks that adding Rutgers would improve their "marketability?" Then an SMU v USC game would be pitting 2 of the biggest markets in LA & Dallas. Travel wouldnt all be that bad...

What ya think? Put the 56 best teams/markets in a blender and make a smoothie.
 
The above is too much and ESPN would never allow the ACC teams out of their current TV deal to make this work.
 
I think what’s being discussed is more of how to divvy up the remaining Big XII teams, a no-poaching agreement, and scheduling alliances
 
Also these guys are figuring out a way to get back at Greg Sankey, expect to hear more chatter about the number of teams in the playoffs.
 
LCL said:
Alright...let's start to talk crazy. Heard the other day that the ACC, B1O, B12, & PAC are talking to one another about how to combat the situation...so

Four 14 team conferences, 2 Semi-Final games, 1 championship game.


EAST CONFERENCE
Boston College
Syracuse
Rutgers
Maryland
Penn State
Pittsburgh
Ohio State
Michigan
Michigan State
Notre Dame
Indiana
West Virginia
Cincinnati
Purdue

SOUTH EAST
Virginia Tech
Virginia
Louisville
Houston
Duke
North Carolina
Clemson
Florida State
Miami
Wake Forest
NC State
Georgia Tech
Memphis
UCF

MIDWEST CONFERENCE
Wisconsin
Minnesota
Northwestern
Illinois
Kansas
Kansas State
Iowa
Nebraska
Oklahoma St
Iowa State
Colorado
Utah
Boise State
BYU

WEST CONFERENCE
USC
UCLA
Arizona
Arizona St
Texas Tech
TCU
Baylor
Oregon
Oregon St
Washington
Washington St
California
Stanford
SMU

Take the best team from each conference. East plays Southeast for EASTERN Championship. West plays Midwest for WESTERN Championship. East Champ plays West Champ for overall champion. Yes, I know there's 14 teams per conference, but they can play each other on a rotating basis. You can still pick a champion for each "conference" based on conference records, etc. Memphis, Houston, SMU (Dallas), BYU, Cincinnati, UCF (Orlando) and Boise State all add TV markets and followings. Hey, if the B1O thinks that adding Rutgers would improve their "marketability?" Then an SMU v USC game would be pitting 2 of the biggest markets in LA & Dallas. Travel wouldnt all be that bad...

What ya think? Put the 56 best teams/markets in a blender and make a smoothie.
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I am right there with you … but I see an NFL style format with all the major college teams … something like 6 eight team divisions … where the winner of each division and two wild cards make the playoffs … each team would play their other 7 division opponents and 4 or 5 at large games on a rotational basis.
 
Read an article in The Athletic in regards to the B10, P12 and ACC's talks. The writers take is that they are not looking to make another super- conference, but looking at creating non-conference match-ups that would create more high level games, in order to match the weekly games you are going to see with OKLA and Texas going to the SEC. He talks about the 4 Million Club, which is, games that get 4 million + viewers. The break-down from 2015-2019 is:
  • 58 games between either independents or teams from different conferences (including all five Army-Navy games played during that period)
  • 55 SEC-only games
  • 49 Big Ten-only games
  • 13 ACC-only games
  • 12 Big 12-only games
  • Five Pac-12-only games
  • One American Athletic Conference-only game (2017 South Florida at UCF)
So instead of playing 3 MAC level teams, they would have for example two games over the season between the 3 conferences, so you could get OSU vs USC, Clemson vs Michigan etc...

Pretty interesting article, although it is behind a paywall.

The title is: why-would-the-big-ten-form-an-alliance-with-the-acc-and-pac-12-its-all-about-tvs-four-million-club
 
USA70PP said:
Give me some pros and cons for this alliance please.
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It pumps the breaks on rapid CFP expansion and prevents those three leagues from getting fisted by an expanded SEC regularly getting several teams in, and getting a much larger percentage of the CFP revenue. That is the only pro that seems to matter here, hence the phrasing of alliance as opposed to any type of merger. They look out for themselves by all voting the same to outvote the SEC 3-1.

If at some point down the road this results in getting a non-league game against each league every year, that would be a major pro. Ohio State/Michigan/Penn State would have games with big ratings playing USC/Oregon/Washington one weekend and Clemson/Florida State/UNC the next weekend. Even if it were largely fans of those three Big Ten schools watching, the interest and ratings early in the year would generate a lot of revenue value.
 
nwwarrior09 said:
It pumps the breaks on rapid CFP expansion and prevents those three leagues from getting fisted by an expanded SEC regularly getting several teams in, and getting a much larger percentage of the CFP revenue. That is the only pro that seems to matter here, hence the phrasing of alliance as opposed to any type of merger. They look out for themselves by all voting the same to outvote the SEC 3-1.

If at some point down the road this results in getting a non-league game against each league every year, that would be a major pro. Ohio State/Michigan/Penn State would have games with big ratings playing USC/Oregon/Washington one weekend and Clemson/Florida State/UNC the next weekend. Even if it were largely fans of those three Big Ten schools watching, the interest and ratings early in the year would generate a lot of revenue value.
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Thanks
 
nwwarrior09 said:
It pumps the breaks on rapid CFP expansion and prevents those three leagues from getting fisted by an expanded SEC regularly getting several teams in, and getting a much larger percentage of the CFP revenue. That is the only pro that seems to matter here, hence the phrasing of alliance as opposed to any type of merger. They look out for themselves by all voting the same to outvote the SEC 3-1.

If at some point down the road this results in getting a non-league game against each league every year, that would be a major pro. Ohio State/Michigan/Penn State would have games with big ratings playing USC/Oregon/Washington one weekend and Clemson/Florida State/UNC the next weekend. Even if it were largely fans of those three Big Ten schools watching, the interest and ratings early in the year would generate a lot of revenue value.
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This.

The counter move by the SEC is to go after the Group of 5 and get their votes for expanded playoffs by saying this is the best way to gain access to CFP $s. Also, outside of the rivalry games that pit ACC v SEC the SEC will probably be stuck playing only Group of 5 and FCS opponents OOC. While Michigan is making their 1st trip to play at Clemson 'Bama will be hyping the 1st appearance of SMU in Tuscaloosa. Greg Sankey is no idiot though and I fully expect him to be able to answer any move by this new alliance.
 
www.espn.com

ACC, B1G, Pac-12 announce 'historic' alliance

The Pac-12 has been the most aggressive in forming and encouraging the alliance with the ACC and Big Ten that was announced Tuesday, sources told ESPN.
www.espn.com www.espn.com

It is interesting to think that maybe these conferences are forcing the SEC's hand so that the SEC is stuck playing itself only.
 
LCL said:
www.espn.com

ACC, B1G, Pac-12 announce 'historic' alliance

The Pac-12 has been the most aggressive in forming and encouraging the alliance with the ACC and Big Ten that was announced Tuesday, sources told ESPN.
www.espn.com www.espn.com

It is interesting to think that maybe these conferences are forcing the SEC's hand so that the SEC is stuck playing itself only.
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Doubt it. The 4 acc teams will want their sec rivalry games. Sec would be the ones to cancel of anything there.

This helps to make decisions on the future of the sport. Also helps for some good out of conference matchups in many sports.

If the goal is to make the sec only play themselves, fsu and Clemson would want in.

Also hard to freeze out the sec since ESPN owns their rights and also the acc rights
 
I think it’s mostly about having a bigger voice in playoff talk and media rights deals. Sticking together as one gives them more power than each going it alone.
 
There was really not much news out of this presser and it appears that the PAC 12 is driving the train which makes it even more dubious. They talked about how the collegiate model will change and emphasized that academics are still a part of the experience which is all well and good except the problem with that is the revenue sports could care less about the academics. I could see the football 1st schools from the ACC bolting to the SEC if they come to them with a deal that cannot be refused, Clemson and FSU are prime targets and more SEC in feel than Duke, UVA, or BC.
 
Watching Dave Revsine attempt to toe the line and interview Kevin Warren (his boss) was painful. Warren attempting to point to the OSU/Oregon tilt as an example of "the alliance", with Revsine having to point out that this had already been scheduled years beforehand. :ROFLMAO: And the Commissioners talking about not needing a written contract, you know, since they looked each other in the eye... It had all the sensibility of a bad SNL sketch. :LOL:
 
Vague promises of games down the road after present contractual obligations are met. Maybe if they follow through you'll see something start to emerge 5-6 years from now with one game a year coming from this.
 
If NCAA football moves in the direction of just the top 64 or so schools in 4 conferences they will need to do a NFL style model of slotted scheduling so they can keep the playing field level. As an example the 1st place SEC West team gets the 1st place ACC Coastal at home, plays at the Pac 12 4th place team, and hosts the 6th place B1G East team and then their conference slate or something along this manner.

Also moving forward a must is no more FCS games, these serve no on field purpose except to work on somethings at game speed and to give young players a chance to play; the real reason they play these is to give these schools a cash kicker. These are as much robbery to a season ticket holder as full price seats for NFL practice games.
 
It would be a pretty big financial blow to the FCS to lose those beatdowns, so that would be unfortunate. Would be interesting if it caused a mass movement to the P5 by the likes of NDSU, Montana (State), James Madison, etc. to off-set it.
 
Sounds like it's pretty much a done deal that the Big 12 will be adding BYU, Houston, Central Florida and Cincinnati. BYU was probably by far the best brand they could have realistically added.

After losing two heavyweights and basically adding the top-tier of the AAC along with BYU, this clearly isn't a power conference anymore in regards to football but it is the best of the rest by a lot IMO. On the hardwood this league will be better than at least one of the power four leagues every year. In the current playoff format the champ of this league will always get a New Year's Six game, and in the expected playoff expansion to come their champ should always get in.

Depending on some timelines we may get a year or two with some fun matchups from the Big 12 schedule maker, such as sending the Longhorns to Houston and UC.
 
So maybe...

BIG 12 EAST
West Virginia
Cincinnati
UCF
Kansas
Kansas State
Iowa State

BIG 12 WEST
Oklahoma State
Texas Tech
TCU
Baylor
Houston
BYU

or they could go the route of "Leaders" & "Legends" which I thought was dumb...

BIG 12 "Legends"
Oklahoma State
Texas Tech
Kansas
BYU
Houston
Kansas State

BIG 12 "Leaders"
Iowa State
Baylor
TCU
West Virginia
Cincinnati
UCF

OR...They could go North-South

BIG 12 NORTH
BYU
Kansas State
West Virginia
Cincinnati
Iowa State
Kansas

BIG 12 SOUTH
Oklahoma State
Texas Tech
TCU
Baylor
Houston
UCF

Myself personally, I kinda like the Leaders/Legends division above, just dont call it Leaders/Legends
 
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