Coaches Classic

 
St. X is gonna win. They win every year. I don't think anybody really cares too much about the team title.

As for individual event winners I will have to wait to see the entries before I make those predicitions.
 
I was 4 for 4 on the relay predictions last year so it will be tough to do that again but here goes my best guess.

Relay Predictions:
200 Medley - St. X
400 Medley - St. X
200 Free - Centerville
400 Free - Centerville

St. X has guys that are good at all 4 strokes where as some other schools are missing a Backstroker or other stroke that will make it tough for them to win. As for Centerville winning the free relays just looking at times posted on swimmeet.com they seem to have some fast sprinters this year. I could be wrong and maybe X will get the sweep.
 
Looking at the Beavercreek psysch sheet Beavercreek and Dayton Oakwood have some fast swimmers and if they swim well they could do well in the Medley Relays. I'm sure those times are from a taper meet, but those are some quick times.

As more psysch sheets come up its fun to see the times that are entered for kids; but remember an entered time means nothing as almost all are from taper meets.
 
13 Relays?

Amazing, St. X has entered A-M in the 200 Free Relay! 13 relays? I have never seen that many relays in one meet in my life. Depth? Maybe. How many teams can pull together 52 guys? We are D1 also and have 19 guys total.
 
preeder61 said:
Amazing, St. X has entered A-M in the 200 Free Relay! 13 relays? I have never seen that many relays in one meet in my life. Depth? Maybe. How many teams can pull together 52 guys? We are D1 also and have 19 guys total.
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My prediction: the Cincinnati Enquirer will have a half page story on St Xavier's team victory with paragraphs about their leading scorers that placed 3rd, 4th, and 5th in individual events. Multiple event winners from other schools will be mentioned at the end of the story like this:

"Steve Zimmerman, and a few others were event winners."
 
preeder61 said:
Amazing, St. X has entered A-M in the 200 Free Relay! 13 relays? I have never seen that many relays in one meet in my life. Depth? Maybe. How many teams can pull together 52 guys? We are D1 also and have 19 guys total.
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If my count is correct St. X has 59 swimmers & divers entered in individual events at the classic. Large numbers translate to depth. That's why you can never count St. X out to win the state meet.
 
ImPartial said:
My prediction: the Cincinnati Enquirer will have a half page story on St Xavier's team victory with paragraphs about their leading scorers that placed 3rd, 4th, and 5th in individual events. Multiple event winners from other schools will be mentioned at the end of the story like this:

"Steve Zimmerman, and a few others were event winners."
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Looking at all the entries the only event that I think X might have an individual winner will be the 1650. Of course the times entered for those top guys are probably faster than they will go so we shall see who steps up to swim.
 
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So here are my predictions for the winner in each event:

50 Free: Caldwell
100 Free: Caldwell
200 Free: Gutirrez
500 Free: Osterhage
100 Back: Zimmerman
200 Back: Zimmerman
100 Breast: Pohlman
200 Breast: Pohlman
100 Fly: Robinson
200 Fly: Rice
200 IM: Zimmerman
400 IM: Zimmerman
200 Free Relay:Wyoming
400 Free Relay: Centerville
200 Medley: St. X
400 Medley: St. X

What does everyone think? Did I miss real bad on any?
 
I think the 200 Free is going to be a fun race to watch. Lots of guys have swam that race fast this year and will be exciting to watch them at finals.

Somebody that might surprise people is Bucley Powell is his events. Not sure where he came from but he has some fast seed times.

I also think the 200 Fly will be a fun race. Guiterrez is swimming it and he has been swimming fast this season. I know Rice has the fastest seed time and he got that at a Taper meet in December. I'm surprised that Josh Quallen isn't swimming it as he went 1:53 that same meet Rice went a 1:52.

Other than some of those I think Waterdad did a pretty good job picking individual event winners.

Only a few days away from some great swimming. Should be fun!
 
ya lots of guys in there that can and have gone sub 2 minutes in the 2 fly, even if their seed time says otherwise, so that should be an awesome race.

Im excited to see if anyone can challenge x in those medleys. Dayton Oakwood and Fairfield have the two fastest seeds times in the 2 medley, are they gonna give x a run for their money?
 
I don't know about Dayton, but I wouldn't worry about Fairfield. The fastest they have gone this entire year is a 1:44 in the medley. So it's either going to be X or Dayton
 
Yeah what is up with Fairfield. I thought they were going to be a lot better this year. I know there is a lot to go, but they haven't looked that great this year.

I thought they might get 2nd in their conference meet but I think East and Mason will beat them.
 
From the looks of the fairfield entries the issue appears to be breast on the medleys. They have very good backstroke times and fly times but breast seems to be a weakness. I think everyone needs to be careful when judging by relay entry times. Some teams go by best times this year and some just send in random times. i.e. (moeller, who should be in the mix for the medleys) This weekend is definitely one of the more fun weekends in HS swimming.
 
This is without question the best in season meet of the year. Each year the number of swimmers increases with over 3000 this year. Although the Classic provides 2 great nights of fast swimming in the finals, probably more impressive is the opportunity that it gives to the lower end swimmers to participate and compete. Installing the 50 yard events allows those less talented to compete in a meaningful way. Allowing multiple relays permits teams to give all their swimmers the opportunity to participate. Unfortunately the other districts do not offer a similar meet for their teams. The Southwest District has dominated the state in swimming for the last 25 years. This meet is one of the reasons. The schools in the other districts should consider creating a similar meet for their schools. If they did they would see an even greater expansion swimming in their area.
 
thedutchman said:
The schools in the other districts should consider creating a similar meet for their schools. If they did they would see an even greater expansion swimming in their area.
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No doubt that the format and history of this meet is wonderful, but the Southwest has the benefit of having enough officials to be able to host 8 prelims. The Central District does not have enough officials or pools willing to host a prelim to even consider an event of this magnitude.

It has taken years and a lot of cooperation to get the Classic format together. This is why it is so unique.
 
preeder61 said:
No doubt that the format and history of this meet is wonderful, but the Southwest has the benefit of having enough officials to be able to host 8 prelims. The Central District does not have enough officials or pools willing to host a prelim to even consider an event of this magnitude.

It has taken years and a lot of cooperation to get the Classic format together. This is why it is so unique.
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Did they always? As you said it has taken years and much cooperation to get the Classic to where it is. Obviously the Central District or any other district will not match that immediately...if ever, but you have to start somewhere. Otherwise the rest of the state can continue to look on with envy at the quality and quantity of swimming in the Southwest.
 
swimfan said:
Did they always? As you said it has taken years and much cooperation to get the Classic to where it is. Obviously the Central District or any other district will not match that immediately...if ever, but you have to start somewhere. Otherwise the rest of the state can continue to look on with envy at the quality and quantity of swimming in the Southwest.
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Heck, I'm doing my part with the Ned Reeb with 850 swimmers in one site and Worthington hosts about 16 meets a year. Besides green is a nice color for me, but wait, we might have a few quality swimmers up here to soothe my envy :)
 
Beau Robinson new classic record in 100 fly :50.53. On a mobile phone...and hectic. Only update available.
 
Does anybody know where they post the video of the meet. There are some races that I would like to watch again. I also enjoy the comments from the announcers (they are ridiculous, funny and sometimes informative).
 
So I did alright picking winners. Didn't miss too bad on any. After seeing the results and watching the meet, I will have to make another prediction. St. X has no chance at winning state. They are a deep talented team but just lack the elite swimmers this year. Another thing that is going to hurt them is that I can't remember a time when there was so much talent spread throughout the southwest district.
 
watrboy15 said:
St. X has no chance at winning state. They are a deep talented team but just lack the elite swimmers this year. Another thing that is going to hurt them is that I can't remember a time when there was so much talent spread throughout the southwest district.
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Not sure that I agree that they have "no chance." StF will be very strong, but if history teaches anything, it is to be careful about counting X out...especially at this point of the season.

And although I agree that the SW District is very strong (as it is every year), I'm not certain how that impacts X's chance to win the state. Am I missing something?
 
I am just saying that the depth in the district will cause St. X to have fewer qualifiers to state. This in turn will lead them to scoring fewer individuals at State. St. X has always been good at competing to win a few events at state but thrived in scoring multiple others especially in the 5th-16th places. Due to them getting fewer qualifiers they will have less opportunity to score in those places. This is also the first year I don't see any real legit contenders from X for an individual state title. I have learned to never count them out but this is the first year I would bet against them. It's gonna be fun to watch districts and then the state meet.
 
Thanks for the clarification. However, this year I think that putting swimmers into the state meet will be more a matter of needing to be in the top 24 state wide, rather than how fast each district is. Unlike in recent years all the automatics across the state should be among the fastest 24 times.

The Northeast which has had some automatics (they have 5) bump some faster swimmers the last couple of years is much faster and so that should not be a problem. The Northwest only has 1 automatic but with StF there, none of their automatics will be outside the top 24. That leaves the Central which although it looks slower than in years past, should still have their 3 automatics inside of the top 24 in all the events.

So, I don't think the depth of the Southwest will cost X any qualifiers. Nonetheless, I agree with you that X will likely not go into the state as the favorite. Still that has happened before...think 2005 against a strong UA team...and X has come home with a victory. Anyway it should be some great swimming that will be fun to watch.
 
After Districts last year, the Bombers were supposed to come in fourth place at state. A misunderestimated bunch of swimmers.
 
[ I agree with you that X will likely not go into the state as the favorite. Still that has happened before...think 2005 against a strong UA team...and X has come home with a victory. Anyway it should be some great swimming that will be fun to watch.[/QUOTE]

Happens all the time! A team is suppose to win on paper and it just doesn't happen. St. X has been tha master of it for years now. Do some digging and read old news papers as far back as the seventies. Someone is always gonna take 'em down and they just keep on winning. Not to say it has not happened but isn't that why they go ahead and have the championship meet.
 
The rule of thumb is that if you can match your qualifying time at the state meet you will move up in the standings. And if you can drop more time you will really move up. X nearly always matches or drops more time. Look back at the projected scores and the actual scores and you will see that X always scores more points than projected. Others have as well, but only X does it year in and year out. The year SC won they came in projected to finish 2nd and added more points than X did. That's why you should never count X out.

That said, StF will be hard to beat. They have everyone back and gave X a great battle last year. I certainly would expect the top StF swimmers to drop time. They've been there before. And they and X have a history from back in the 90s when they traded the championship over a 3 or 4 year period. Should be fun to watch. Its just too bad that University is in D2.
 
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