Cleveland Guardians

kdiamond said:
He didint lead the majors in fielding pct and Jose isnt going anywhere . Ill take Gleybar Torres over Giminez right now and dont care if he makes twice as many errors . 2nd base is the easiest position on the filed ...Guardians will easily fill that spot . WE NEED STARTING PITCHING .Didi you watch the playoffs????????
Click to expand...
We need proven front line pitching, that's not what we got. We got hope and a prayer it works out.
 
wolves82 said:
You cannot disregard the numbers and facts that I showed you. Only pitchers and catchers have a big impact on run prevention.

An elite defensive 2B will save maybe 2 runs per month over an average defensive 2B. Facts. They need a better bat there when the payout is $10Million. If they find a 2B that can get on base more, drive in a few more runs, then it is a new positive.
Click to expand...
And if the guy is kicking the ball around and throwing the ball wide of 1st he negates his own offensive production.
 
The same guys cheering this move due to Gimenez supposed lack of offense want to move 30-100 guy Naylor.

And for all the talk of cost savings we just gave a guy with a blown out elbow 14 mill to maybe pitch the last couple months of the season.
 
y2h said:
And if the guy is kicking the ball around and throwing the ball wide of 1st he negates his own offensive production.
Click to expand...
Give it up. The run differentials speak for itself.

The simple fact is that "average" MLB 2B do not kick the ball around and miss easy throws at a much higher clip then the very best. They are not putting Big Xmas at 2B

Gimenez has a 98.6% fielding percentage. Only 9 errors all year in 2024, in 152 games, with 638 total chances (4.2 chances per game).

Compare to my Reds Jonathan India. He has widely considered to be an "average" fielder and he certainly has less range than Gimenez, so in his 133 games at 2B, he had 460 total chances (3.5 chances per game). He only made 4 errors. .991 fielding percentage, and he is considered "average". He makes the plays when he gets to the ball. Oh by the way, India had an OPS of .749 compared to Gimenez .638, and India scored 20 more runs and hit 6 more HR than Gimenez.

There are plenty of average 2B that will give a better net Run differential than Gimenez provided in 2024, many for less than $10M. He needs to pick up his offense, period.

I still do not like what the Dolans are doing, but the numbers say this might be a smart baseball move.
 
y2h said:
The same guys cheering this move due to Gimenez supposed lack of offense want to move 30-100 guy Naylor.

And for all the talk of cost savings we just gave a guy with a blown out elbow 14 mill to maybe pitch the last couple months of the season.
Click to expand...
lets see what else they do because 100% they are not done making moves . Naylor was another failure in the playoffs . His value will never be higher bc he drove in runs and this was prob his career yr . He is a DH .Cant play 1B at all. Stinks. Trade him for more pitching . Guardians need to build the team around STARTING pitching moving forward .They will have enough offense without Giminez and Josh Fat-lor.
 
wolves82 said:
Give it up. The run differentials speak for itself.

The simple fact is that "average" MLB 2B do not kick the ball around and miss easy throws at a much higher clip then the very best.

Gimenez has a 98.6% fielding percentage. Only 9 errors all year in 2024, in 152 games, with 638 total chances (4.2 chances per game).

Compare to my Reds Jonathan India. He has widely considered to be an "average" fielder and he certainly has less range than Gimenez, so in his 133 games at 2B, he had 460 total chances (3.5 chances per game). He only made 4 errors. .991 fielding percentage, and he is considered "average". Oh by the way, India had an OPS of .749 compared to Gimenez .638, and India scored 20 more runs and hit 6 more HR than Gimenez.

There are plenty of average 2B that will give a better net Run differential than Gimenez provided in 2024, many for less than $10M. He needs to pick up his offense, period.

I still do not like what the Dolans are doing, but the numbers say this might be a smart baseball move.
Click to expand...
I normally hate the Dolan penny pinching, but they did a very un-Dolan thing and gave Gimenez a huge deal that turned out not to be worth it. Thankfully the front office got them out of it.
 
kdiamond said:
lets see what else they do because 100% they are not done making moves . Naylor was another failure in the playoffs . His value will never be higher bc he drove in runs and this was prob his career yr . He is a DH .Cant play 1B at all. Stinks. Trade him for more pitching . Guardians need to build the team around STARTING pitching moving forward .They will have enough offense without Giminez and Josh Fat-lor.
Click to expand...
That’s my thinking about Josh. Career year. Get something of value for him and let Manzardo play first.
 
  • Haha
Reactions: y2h
I appreciate Naylor's impact on the offense but I am concerned about his long-term ability to stay on the field given his Pablo Sandoval body type. That's going to eventually catch up to him with the rigors of long MLB seasons.
 
clarkgriswold said:
I appreciate Naylor's impact on the offense but I am concerned about his long-term ability to stay on the field given his Pablo Sandoval body type. That's going to eventually catch up to him with the rigors of long MLB seasons.
Click to expand...
correct . for him to not miss time moving forward , the guardians or whomever signs him should use him 95 % as DH only . And what was his Batting avg this yr???? Hes a poor mans Carlos Santana basically . Same type of player but Santana just had more staying power .
 
kdiamond said:
He didint lead the majors in fielding pct and Jose isnt going anywhere . Ill take Gleybar Torres over Giminez right now and dont care if he makes twice as many errors . 2nd base is the easiest position on the filed ...Guardians will easily fill that spot . WE NEED STARTING PITCHING .Didi you watch the playoffs????????
Click to expand...
They let Boyd leave, but they need starting pitching?
 
cjb5656 said:
I normally hate the Dolan penny pinching, but they did a very un-Dolan thing and gave Gimenez a huge deal that turned out not to be worth it. Thankfully the front office got them out of it.
Click to expand...
Of course it was worth it, elite 2nd baseman
 
I fully understand Cleveland's history. It isn't a free-spending franchise, and it ranked 23rd in baseball in payroll this past year. The Guardians rely more on elite-level scouting and shrewd trades rather than an inflated wallet.

But at some point, Cleveland needs to begin supplementing its savvy drafting and astute trading by actually blowing some cash.

Cleveland fans are beginning to get frustrated, and understandably so. The Guardians were three wins away from a World Series in October, but you would never know it by they way they have approached things this offseason.


www.si.com

Cleveland Guardians are Playing a Dangerous Game

The Cleveland Guardians were one of the most pleasant surprises of the 2024 MLB campaign, capturing the AL Central division title and making it all the way to t
www.si.com www.si.com
 
  • Like
Reactions: y2h
wolves82 said:
Give it up. The run differentials speak for itself.

The simple fact is that "average" MLB 2B do not kick the ball around and miss easy throws at a much higher clip then the very best. They are not putting Big Xmas at 2B

Gimenez has a 98.6% fielding percentage. Only 9 errors all year in 2024, in 152 games, with 638 total chances (4.2 chances per game).

Compare to my Reds Jonathan India. He has widely considered to be an "average" fielder and he certainly has less range than Gimenez, so in his 133 games at 2B, he had 460 total chances (3.5 chances per game). He only made 4 errors. .991 fielding percentage, and he is considered "average". He makes the plays when he gets to the ball. Oh by the way, India had an OPS of .749 compared to Gimenez .638, and India scored 20 more runs and hit 6 more HR than Gimenez.

There are plenty of average 2B that will give a better net Run differential than Gimenez provided in 2024, many for less than $10M. He needs to pick up his offense, period.

I still do not like what the Dolans are doing, but the numbers say this might be a smart baseball move.
Click to expand...
It's a waving the white flag move. If they had gotten a veteran 2 or 3 starter to plug into the rotation it would be a bit more palatable. They got Temu off brand no names back. It's a joke. It's not about improving the team, it's about improving Dolans bottom line. If you can't afford to put a legitimate team on the field go do something else.
 
y2h said:
It's a waving the white flag move. If they had gotten a veteran 2 or 3 starter to plug into the rotation it would be a bit more palatable. They got Temu off brand no names back. It's a joke. It's not about improving the team, it's about improving Dolans bottom line. If you can't afford to put a legitimate team on the field go do something else.
Click to expand...
I like taking the shot with Ortiz. The Guardians front office is pretty good at identifying pitching talent, so I’m expecting a lot of starts and wins from Ortiz.

Getting rid of that Gimenez contract is good, but I expect them to spend that money to improve the team. If they don’t, and spend beyond that money too, I’ll be pizzed.

The Guardians are in a contending window in an overall weak AL. The fans showed up last year and the team made a playoff run. It’s time to spend some cash and go for it this year. I don’t care if they traded Gimenez, or if they trade Josh, just as long as the team that takes the field in 2025 is better than the 2024 version.
 
Last edited:
y2h said:
It's a waving the white flag move. If they had gotten a veteran 2 or 3 starter to plug into the rotation it would be a bit more palatable. They got Temu off brand no names back. It's a joke. It's not about improving the team, it's about improving Dolans bottom line. If you can't afford to put a legitimate team on the field go do something else.
Click to expand...
Both things can be true:
- The Dolans are cheapskate owners who only care about maximizing profit
- The Gimenez trade is a good move, baseball wise, for a team on a budget. Guards need more production for $10M ($15M next year)

Both things are in fact true.
 
cjb5656 said:
I like taking the shot with Ortiz. The Guardians front office is pretty good at identifying pitching talent, so I’m expecting a lot of starts and wins from Ortiz.

Getting rid of that Gimenez contract is good, but I expect them to spend that money to improve the team. If they don’t, and spend beyond that money too, I’ll be pizzed.

The Guardians are in a contending window in an overall weak AL. The fans showed up last year and the team made a playoff run. It’s time to spend some cash and go for it this year. I don’t care if they traded Gimenez, or if they trade Josh, just as long as the team that takes the field in 2025 is better than the 2024 version.
Click to expand...
You don't make the team better by subtracting it's best players...70 wins is the ceiling for this team.
 
For those fans who were hoping that the Dolans would take the plunge an go for it by bringing in one or two star players to go with the nucleus, you can stop. Antonetti yesterday stated that they would not bring in anyone who would impede the pathway for the young players. In other words, maintain the status quo and play cheap young players and augment them with veterans in the last year or two of their career or ones coming off of serious injury and who will use Cleveland as a rehab assignment for a year. As Steven Kwan ( another player who will not be a part of the team in a couple yrs) said, "Cleveland doesn't pay its players."
 
Do I like Carlos as a person etc, yes. But he is 38. This organization needs to be consistent, it's all over the place this offseason, and not in a good way. That return is terrible and you could get that at the DL
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top