People use to say the same thing about planes, gas cars, computers, cell phone and most new technologies … guess what … they just kept getting better and better … my bet is the electric cars, batteries, and charging units will get better over time … are we ready for full time use of electric cars … no, but it will happen … just a matter of time.
All electric vehicles...will not work.
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What hurt is put on you?
When electric is all you can buy or pay more for the rare but now more expensive gas engine power. Then gas stations will slowly reduce in numbers and gas prices will rise because cost to refine and lower demand. Plus I know the govt will raise taxes higher and higher forcing people to go electric. During this time there no doubt will be a shortage of charging places. You do know they always create a crisis and then spend money had over fist to correct it and if that does not fix it throw more money at it.
cabezadecaballo
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Not without a tremendous expenditure, and one that is unwarranted. Climate is changing. Always has. None of this green bullsh1t changes any weather outcomes. Every time that we change the rules, whoever is ahead of the curve is able to invest ahead of the change. That is all that is happening here, except that the Dems want SO badly to be “early” on a change that they created a need to meet. They are so far overboard that they call “plant food“ deadly. Anthropogenic global warming is complete BS.
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cabezadecaballo
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I can’t imagine all the dumb broads calling AAA for a charge in a hurry because the groceries are baking roadside in a dead car. Lithium ion insta-fade and 25% charges should be fun.
This is why all the solar/finance schemes want to sell you batteries, too. Everybody’s gonna want to charge when dark is coming on. Many states require local utilities to buy and put user-generated power into the grid, but they want to trick us into storing it for them until THEY call for it.
cabezadecaballo
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Red Barchetta was a bit prophetic I guess
cabezadecaballo
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No, but it takes f—king with gas prices by killing supply to get people to adopt. It’s BS.
cabezadecaballo
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To give Dem power a “sure thing” to put their money in. Nothing more.
So what you are saying they are still looking for a win on anything and they will take this if nothing else comes along?
cabezadecaballo
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No. They want to profit from abusing power, and they see this as a sure thing. The eventual outcome is anticipated, a “solution” is invented to address an exaggerated problem, and there’s only one control group, so they can never be proven wrong. “At least we tried”, they will say in 50 years.
Crusaders
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FWIW, battery tech is advancing rapidly. I'd bet on Telsa having a 1000 mile range vehicle by the end of the decade.
Range isn't really the big issue with these cars, it's charging speed. You can go from 0 to full in 90 seconds at the pump. It's difficult to imagine a battery being able to duplicate that anytime soon. Traveling habits will sooner change.
Range isn't really the big issue with these cars, it's charging speed. You can go from 0 to full in 90 seconds at the pump. It's difficult to imagine a battery being able to duplicate that anytime soon. Traveling habits will sooner change.
yes it was!
why don't you read what he said, for me to respond like that.... tough guy... got love when you crawl back into yappi.... by the way, wasn't that a Aids worker got blown up by the Biden admin? or where did you read that he was a terrorist? you sitting around with your pilot buddies again? did they happen to give you a little set of wings yet?
LOL!!!
When I talk about our commercial trucking fleet, long haul trucks are only a small part of it. Short haul trucking uses millions of trucks.From a personal, drive on the highway standpoint, I'd rather long haul freight by train.
Just think about the trucking involved in building a house. From delivering the excavating equipment to pouring the concrete to delivering the lumber and everything else literally dozens of trucks are used in the construction of a single house.
MoeBiden
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Most of the last article I linked is dealing with local delivery.
“We see that electrification adoption is accelerating across commercial vehicles starting with the light commercial vehicles and buses and continuing with the medium-duty trucks because they are reaching Total Cost of Ownership parity with internal combustion engines pretty much today,” said Beyza Sarioglu, senior director of strategy and business planning for commerical vehicles at Dana. “Especially in urban and regional use cases such as distribution of goods and local services like construction because they require smaller batteries and with their duty cycles they get more benefit from regenerative braking, and different technologies electrification offers. Long-haul, on the other hand, heavy-duty trucks are expected to reach TCO (Total Cost of Ownership) parity in the 2030 timeframe. It’s not going to be a quick transition.”
Did some research last week that kind of coincides with this topic. The first mass produced tractors with rubber tires were very small. International under the Farmall name developed the letter series tractors back in the 1930's. There was the A, B, C (about 20 hp and 2,000 lbs) H and M. The H was the single most successful model and sold over 450,000 tractors in just a few short years. The secret, it was about the same power as a team of horses but could run all day, was similar in purchase cost and could be left unattended in the barn indefinitely vs the daily care of a horse.
Get A Horse! America’s Skepticism Toward the First Automobiles | The Saturday Evening Post
The inventor who claimed the first U.S. car ever sold recalls the birth of the industry and the general public skepticism about automobiles.www.saturdayeveningpost.com
When I first contemplated the application of gasoline for vehicles, I had a bicycle plant in Cleveland. Because bikes interested me, my mind naturally turned to something a rider wouldn’t have to push and keep pushing if he was trying to get some place. But the great obstacle to the development of the automobile was the lack of public inter- est. To advocate replacing the horse, which had served man through centuries, marked one as an imbecile. Things are very different today. But in the ’90s, even though I had a successful bicycle business, and was building my first car in the privacy of the cellar in my home, I began to be pointed out as “the fool who is fiddling with a buggy that will run without being hitched to a horse.” My banker called on me to say: “Winton, I am disappointed in you.”
That riled me, but I held my temper as I asked, “What’s the matter with you?” He bellowed: “There’s nothing the matter with me. It’s you! You’re crazy if you think this fool contraption you’ve been wasting your time on will ever displace the horse.”
The most intriguing thing to me is engineers knew we were headed for large tractors with many times the power of a team of horses. However, they had to wait for farmers to gain confidence in the tractor, and actually generate a benefit from the self propelled workhorse. Then farms needed to grow to finally market the machines in 1970 that they knew would be coming when the model H rolled off the line in 1947. It took 23 years to grow to the place where the John Deere 4020 and International 856 were common large farm tractors of their day.
By the end of the 1970's virtually all tractors had cabs on them for weather protection. Air conditioning was added along with a good sound system and lighting for night work. Today with the air ride seats, satellite guidance and auto steer, I can use my tractor as an office or post on Yappi while riding around in circles.
You know how many times I said auto steer will never work and I kept using foam markers as my preferred means of guiding my sprayer through the field? Then one day I decided to stop fighting change, and just enjoy the ride wherever government grants and carrots offered take me.
Raider6309
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Yeah our grid barely works now. Need more fossil fuel plants to keep up with the demand
ProV1
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I live in a Cbus burb and i see them all over.
ProV1
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Jesus Christ. And you people complain about Biden.
said_aouita
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y2h
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They are a fraction of the market. Decades away from being the dominant form of transportation.
y2h
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What does half asss charging do to the life of the battery?
y2h
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Its the same reason for the Covid nonsense. Masks dont work, heck the vaccine isnt all that effective but they can CYA and say hey we did something...
y2h
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I dont think anyone is against them per say, the opposition comes from them being the only option like all the green nonsense.
y2h
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CA struggles with blackouts...not sure that's the example of the power grid handling the demand you want.