#4 Jackson (8-3) vs. #5 McKinley (7-4)

jpbear

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Location: Robert Fife Stadium
Time: 7:00 PM
Teams: Massillon Jackson, Canton McKinley
Forecast: Clear, Low 50s to High 40s

Matchup Background
Regular-Season Result: Jackson 20 McKinley 7 (Tom Benson)
Federal League Record: Jackson (5-1) [Co-Champions] | McKinley (5-1) [Co-Champions]
Points Per Game (PPG): Jackson 22 | McKinley 24.4
Points Allowed (Per Game): Jackson 15.8 | McKinley 15.9

Jackson's Last Five:
10/4 vs. Lake [W 24-14]
10/11 vs. GlenOak [W 21-7]
10/18 @ McKinley [W 20-7]
10/25 vs. Hoover [W 23-20]
11/1 vs. Brunswick [W 24-3]

McKinley's Last Five:
10/4 vs. Hoover [W 28-21 OT]
10/11 @ Lake [W 35-21]
10/18 vs. Jackson [L 7-20]
10/26 @ Massillon [L 7-16]
11/1 vs. Normandy [W 49-7]

Predictions?
 
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TigerPaw said:
Jackson finally breaks their 17 game losing streak to McKinley... then only gets to enjoy it for 1 week. Lol. Sorry that makes me chuckle. Can they do it twice? Idk should be a good game, good luck to both.
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It's a little unfortunate that there is a potential for the losing streak to start again in the same season we snap it, but I do hope that Jackson can replicate some of the success they had against McKinley the first time around. Hope it's a good one again, best of luck to the Tiger's the rest of the way around.
 
Should be a great game. I don't expect a repeat of their game earlier this year. I say flip a coin on who wins. The only thing that will surprise me here is if the margin is greater than 2 scores. When I do the Yappi Challenge, I will pick Jackson though. In a close match up, I always pick based on the school's academic reputation thinking that Jackson will be better able to execute the game plan and will be able to adapt in game better. Should be a great game. With R1 being the weakest that I've ever seen it, the winner of this one could make a final four run.
 
David Wooderson said:
Should be a great game. I don't expect a repeat of their game earlier this year. I say flip a coin on who wins. The only thing that will surprise me here is if the margin is greater than 2 scores. When I do the Yappi Challenge, I will pick Jackson though. In a close match up, I always pick based on the school's academic reputation thinking that Jackson will be better able to execute the game plan and will be able to adapt in game better. Should be a great game. With R1 being the weakest that I've ever seen it, the winner of this one could make a final four run.
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LOL 🤣🤣🤣
 
jpbear said:
It's a little unfortunate that there is a potential for the losing streak to start again in the same season we snap it, but I do hope that Jackson can replicate some of the success they had against McKinley the first time around. Hope it's a good one again, best of luck to the Tiger's the rest of the way around.
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Get greedy, and start your own streak. :) I watched the 1st game and Jackson players looked pumped up, enthused, highly motivated. Need to bring that same energy. For McKinley I give them alot of credit they've looked like a different team since when many thought they'd fold tent.
 
Tarblooder_Rocketgrad said:
LOL 🤣🤣🤣
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What'ya mean funny? Like I amuse you? Like I'm a clown? :)

I don't think it is crazy to pick the better academic school when the teams are athletically pretty evenly matched up.

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David Wooderson said:
What'ya mean funny? Like I amuse you? Like I'm a clown? :)

I don't think it is crazy to pick the better academic school when the teams are athletically pretty evenly matched up.
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Yes it is. Jackson we would be a way stronger program if that mattered. What you are trying to say is you think Jackson executes better or is better coached. Fair enough. But that has only translated into 1 win in the last 17.
 
TigerPaw said:
Yes it is. Jackson we would be a way stronger program if that mattered. What you are trying to say is you think Jackson executes better or is better coached. Fair enough. But that has only translated into 1 win in the last 17.
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I think it only matters when the teams are close. It will never elevate a team from bad to good. But it can elevate a team from being good to slightly better than good. It moves the needle a little bit.
 
David Wooderson said:
When I do the Yappi Challenge, I will pick Jackson though. In a close match up, I always pick based on the school's academic reputation thinking that Jackson will be better able to execute the game plan and will be able to adapt in game better.
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That’s a fairly blatant shot at McKinley fair or not.
If that’s how you pick games, you’ve been wrong about Jackson vs McKinley 17 of the last 18 times they’ve played. I think you’ll be wrong again week 12.
 
DaveDawg said:
That’s a fairly blatant shot at McKinley fair or not.
If that’s how you pick games, you’ve been wrong about Jackson vs McKinley 17 of the last 18 times they’ve played. I think you’ll be wrong again week 12.
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I don't pick games based on which school has better academics. I will use that as a tiebreaker if I'm torn between the two.

The only time I've been wrong about a Jackson vs McKinley matchup was a couple of weeks ago when I picked McKinley. :)

I have no skin in this game (and frankly, don't really have any skin any longer in any of these games, I just like HS football). So I assure you that my opinion is unbiased. I'll be just as happy for the McKinley kids if they win as I'll be for the Jackson kids if they win. And I believe both teams will have a little bit of a chance to continue to advance. They are both good teams. Anything can happen. I probably have a 50% of being wrong. That is what makes this all so much fun.
 
DaveDawg said:
That’s a fairly blatant shot at McKinley fair or not.
If that’s how you pick games, you’ve been wrong about Jackson vs McKinley 17 of the last 18 times they’ve played. I think you’ll be wrong again week 12.
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Also, it's not a shot at McKinley. I'm not on the committee from US News & World Report that ranks high schools. I also don't work for the state and grade the schools. Don't shoot the messenger.
 
Both teams have played some very tough opponents which is part of the reason I believe this could be a very good game. I was pretty happy with Jackson's performance against Brunswick and McKinley played very well against Normandy, a Jackson win would be only their second (?) Regional Quarterfinal win ever I believe.
 
The Bulldogs should be ready for this rematch. It should be a good close game and very exciting.

Lets go Pups...Lets go Pups...Lets go Pups!!!
 
David Wooderson said:
Also, it's not a shot at McKinley. I'm not on the committee from US News & World Report that ranks high schools. I also don't work for the state and grade the schools. Don't shoot the messenger.
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I debated on whether I should be taking the time to respond to this post. However, I am obviously doing so. First of all, as stated above, "academic standing" has little to do with success on an athletic field of play, regardless of the sport. Secondly, the all-time football series record between Jackson and Canton McKinley is about as lopsided as you can get, which renders your injected academic ranking comments as utterly stupid. Moreover, no one is considering to "shoot the messenger" as the issue is the "message itself" which you have brought to the discussion table. Your posts are poorly thought out and irrelevant to the upcoming playoff game. I don't buy your "neutrality" statements about you not caring who wins. Personally, I don't care who you would prefer to win the game, although you state you are neutral. For you to bring up U.S News and World Report's high school academic rankings exposes your mind set. It also reinforces the condescending and superior attitudes which prevail throughout Jackson Township, which demonstrates zero class.

Lastly, it is becoming tiresome and sickening about all of the cheap shots taken at the city of Canton and McKinley high school, as if the rest of Stark County is holy and without blemish!
 
ohiocrew said:
I debated on whether I should be taking the time to respond to this post. However, I am obviously doing so. First of all, as stated above, "academic standing" has little to do with success on an athletic field of play, regardless of the sport. Secondly, the all-time football series record between Jackson and Canton McKinley is about as lopsided as you can get, which renders your injected academic ranking comments as utterly stupid. Moreover, no one is considering to "shoot the messenger" as the issue is the "message itself" which you have brought to the discussion table. Your posts are poorly thought out and irrelevant to the upcoming playoff game. I don't buy your "neutrality" statements about you not caring who wins. Personally, I don't care who you would prefer to win the game, although you state you are neutral. For you to bring up U.S News and World Report's high school academic rankings exposes your mind set. It also reinforces the condescending and superior attitudes which prevail throughout Jackson Township, which demonstrates zero class.

Lastly, it is becoming tiresome and sickening about all of the cheap shots taken at the city of Canton and McKinley high school, as if the rest of Stark County is holy and without blemish!
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I think you are having a tough time with reading comprehension. I never once said that better schools means better football. I said that if all other things are equal, I use the quality of school as a tie breaker when picking a winner. It is a perfectly reasonable way to judge. The history of the series is irrelevant because we are talking about this year's teams. The teams weren't pretty equal in previous years. Jackson football has sort of sucked for years. But this year is a little different. The talent gap is a lot closer than it has been historically. I mean, they did beat you by two scores once already this season, no? I'm actually giving you a ton of credit by considering it a toss up.

Can you admit that the talent gap is closer and possibly the teams are pretty equal? I'd say losing to them earlier this year, while never 100% definitive, is an indicator?

Can you admit that Canton McKinley's education is regarded far below Jackson by the state report card measures as well as other rating services?

And I'm absolutely not a Jackson fan. I rarely even go to North Canton. So I don't have a dog in that fight. I'm a Suburban League fan with no particular allegiance (although I do have some teams in the league I prefer over others but i root for them all to win come playoff time) and a fan of a few private schools like Walsh & Ed's and I sort of like/follow Ignatius because NE Ohio football is more interesting when they are good. I could care less who wins this weekend in your game. But I guess now based on your reaction, I'm going to have to root for Jackson.

Seems like you are one of these fans that thinks everyone is out to get them and hates them, when the truth is that most high school football fans are ambivalent towards McKinley. They haven't been relevant in close to 20 years.

I will confess that I sometimes will buy a six pack of Royal Docks beer. It is delicious.
 
My mind says Jackson will win this game especially being at home but if I go with my heart I think McKinley wins this comfortably. If the McKinley team that I seen play against Massillon 2 weeks ago shows up Jackson could be in for a long night. I will go with my heart and take mck 27-7 I think the dogs are on mission as long as the penalties don't get in their way it should be a great ball game either way good luck to both teams.
 
TigerBeast78 said:
Think he's laughing at winner could make a final four run because neither team is beating Ed's or Mentor.
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Maybe. But I don't think it is that crazy. Ed's isn't the Ed's we all have come to know. And Mentor hasn't played many games against teams as good as either McKinley or Jackson. Also injuries and weather could intervene. Unlikely, absolutely. Crazy, I don't think so.
 
David Wooderson said:
Maybe. But I don't think it is that crazy. Ed's isn't the Ed's we all have come to know. And Mentor hasn't played many games against teams as good as either McKinley or Jackson. Also injuries and weather could intervene. Unlikely, absolutely. Crazy, I don't think so.
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Ed's isn't Ed's but remember Ed's lost to 3 defending state champs, a state runner up and a state semi finalist. Ed's might not be last year's Ed's or Ed's of the past but they still are St Ed's and very good football team. Mentor has too much offense for McKinley or Jackson to beat regardless of them not playing a meat grinder. Neither team will win a shootout vs Mentor. I don't think it's crazy but I'm willing to bet the house the region will be won by Ed's or Mentor
 
TigerPaw said:
Mentor already beat Jackson handily, albeit week 1. But overall that is a pretty weak schedule by Mentor standards.
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True. And Mentor is winning most games handily. They had a tight one against Clev Hts, but that was one of the few games Marquise Davis decided to play and he went for 300+. I guess my point is that neither Jackson or McKinley are bad football teams and under the right conditions and situation, could beat anyone in Region 1 in a 1 game scenario.
 
David Wooderson said:
Maybe. But I don't think it is that crazy. Ed's isn't the Ed's we all have come to know. And Mentor hasn't played many games against teams as good as either McKinley or Jackson. Also injuries and weather could intervene. Unlikely, absolutely. Crazy, I don't think so.
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Ed's would bully each of these teams around up front, IMO. That would be enough to beat either team.

As someone born and raised in the Federal League, it just isn't a premier football league in regards to its D1 teams anymore. IMO. Perry made some nice runs 8-9 years ago, and Green made a Final Four recently, Hoover and Lake in the 2000's and 90's were great, but would be D2 teams now.

I feel like McKinley has the ability to carry the banner for the D1 teams in the Fed, but, they just can't seem to win the big games like they did with McDaniels and other coaches prior.

As for this game, Jackson is at home, they are rolling and confident, the comeback win against Hoover was not something I thought would happen after how that game started.

Give me the Polar Bears by 7
 
doubtme said:
Ed's would bully each of these teams around up front, IMO. That would be enough to beat either team.

As someone born and raised in the Federal League, it just isn't a premier football league in regards to its D1 teams anymore. IMO. Perry made some nice runs 8-9 years ago, and Green made a Final Four recently, Hoover and Lake in the 2000's and 90's were great, but would be D2 teams now.

I feel like McKinley has the ability to carry the banner for the D1 teams in the Fed, but, they just can't seem to win the big games like they did with McDaniels and other coaches prior.

As for this game, Jackson is at home, they are rolling and confident, the comeback win against Hoover was not something I thought would happen after how that game started.

Give me the Polar Bears by 7
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I’d take that in a heartbeat if we could bet!
 
David Wooderson said:
Can you admit that Canton McKinley's education is regarded far below Jackson by the state report card measures as well as other rating services?
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Canton has a higher poverty rate, higher unemployment rate, and a higher percentage of single-parent households than Jackson Township does. It's not a surprise that the two districts have different academic outcomes
 
doubtme said:
Ed's would bully each of these teams around up front, IMO. That would be enough to beat either team.

As someone born and raised in the Federal League, it just isn't a premier football league in regards to its D1 teams anymore. IMO. Perry made some nice runs 8-9 years ago, and Green made a Final Four recently, Hoover and Lake in the 2000's and 90's were great, but would be D2 teams now.

I feel like McKinley has the ability to carry the banner for the D1 teams in the Fed, but, they just can't seem to win the big games like they did with McDaniels and other coaches prior.

As for this game, Jackson is at home, they are rolling and confident, the comeback win against Hoover was not something I thought would happen after how that game started.

Give me the Polar Bears by 7
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Just wondering did Jackson copy the Polar Bear mascot from old Canton Lehman who also were the Polar Bears?
 
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