2025 Northern Buckeye Conference

Who will be the 2025 NBC Champion?

  • Oak Harbor

    Votes: 14 43.8%

  • Eastwood

    Votes: 6 18.8%

  • Maumee

    Votes: 1 3.1%

  • Genoa

    Votes: 3 9.4%

  • Otsego

    Votes: 5 15.6%

  • Fostoria

    Votes: 3 9.4%

  • Lake

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Rossford

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    32
underthelights

underthelights

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The kid wants to talk NBC football in December, so here it is. Teams are listed in order of last years finishes. Also, here is a link for the NBC website for whatever it is worth. http://nbc-ohio.org/
And finally, FNL1's original post since he started the previous thread. I just added a survey to help him out.
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underthelights said:
The kid wants to talk NBC football in December, so here it is. Teams are listed in order of last years finishes. Also, here is a link for the NBC website for whatever it is worth. http://nbc-ohio.org/
And finally, FNL1's original post since he started the previous thread. I just added a survey to help him out. View attachment 70549
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I may have to wait until Black Swamp comes out with the July pub to cast an opinion.

BTW, I love the Danny's Cafe spots and ending with "...across the street from Rossford High School". Always good to have a bar plug a HS :ROFLMAO:
 
First off, ranking coaches is hard. It's a thankless job a lot of times and communities act like you're getting paid a BIG10 salary when in reality these guys are making $5,000-$10,000 max to devote the whole year to kids. They probably don't deserve the scrutiny of a ranking list... but here we go. Your list is pretty solid on coaches. I tend to think that Oak Harbor is currently the best program in the league by a pretty large margin and programs are usually a reflection of their coach. Looking at the website, they won league in both the high school and junior high levels, so I imagine they will continue to be in contention for league titles for some time.

Rutherford is a product of Eastwood, but I think he is a very good coach. The next few years will be telling as Otsego has a lot of young talent. It looks like their middle school teams were a mixed bag, but there were scores missing so it's hard to tell what's coming up outside of the freshman class that posters have mentioned previously. If he can turn Otsego into a consistent contender, I would have no problem moving him to that top spot.

Karchner and Cotterman are hard to place. They both seem to be solid coaches. Cotterman took over a well established program with rich tradition. He didn't mess it up. So there is a lot to be said for that. They also competed well in the playoffs with a deep run that ended at the hands of Edison. Maumee, on the other hand, was a mess when Karchner took over. They've turned it around to an 8-2 finish seeing him win coach of the year in just his second year there. That comes after making the move to the NBC where they are now the largest school in the league, so that's a factor you have to consider as well.

Fisher at Genoa always fields a competitive team. I doubt you will see them at the bottom of the league anytime soon. There is a lot to be said for that.

Bishop at Lake took over a program in a very difficult situation. I really think it's too early to rank what he's doing over there.

Angelone, same thing can be said at Fostoria. They seemed to be competitive though.

Drusback... Rossford was the biggest district in the league for quite some time and they haven't seen much success. The issues with Rossford have been well discussed so I'm not sure his ranking is deserved. The only knock I'd give him is the fact that Rossford seemingly refuses to play defense.
 
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Gamma Gobbler said:
I may have to wait until Black Swamp comes out with the July pub to cast an opinion.

BTW, I love the Danny's Cafe spots and ending with "...across the street from Rossford High School". Always good to have a bar plug a HS :ROFLMAO:
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Right, or maybe until a coaching positions becomes open or something. But hey, the kid wants to talk. I can't help it that he misses us. And be careful calling out the union of Danny's and Rossford. I was chastised for suggesting it's not a good look.
 
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Right, or maybe until a coaching positions becomes open or something. But hey, the kid wants to talk. I can't help it that he misses us. And be careful calling out the union of Danny's and Rossford. I was chastised for suggesting it's not a good look.
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No problem with this and I was curious to when '25 speaks would start being posted. I'll be following. No ill intent on my part for Danny's but was just taken aback...love the place. I may have to catch the place during wrestling districts. LOL

BTW, did Cotterman's dad or another relative coach ball? I seem to remember that name down in the SW part of the state.
 
Gamma Gobbler said:
No problem with this and I was curious to when '25 speaks would start being posted. I'll be following. No ill intent on my part for Danny's but was just taken aback...love the place. I may have to catch the place during wrestling districts. LOL

BTW, did Cotterman's dad or another relative coach ball? I seem to remember that name down in the SW part of the state.
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It's a solid spot, for sure. And honestly, I wouldn't mind if more establishments like that took interest in high school sports. Now that I'm retired, I wouldn't mind a watering hole where I could go enjoy a beer or two watching some local football. Especially since a lot of schools are streaming games. I stream the majority of Liberty Center games and get a kick out of their play by play guys. Otsego does a good job streaming their home games as well. The kid that does the announcing is pretty good and really seems to do his homework. A long time ago in a place far far away I was coaching a team and we went up against Ironton for the first time. As soon as the playoff pairings were released, I got a call from a bar in Ironton asking if they could purchase a helmet from our team for a donation to the program. I don't remember the place, but I guess they have/had a helmet from every team Ironton ever played. I thought this was pretty cool.
 
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It's a solid spot, for sure. And honestly, I wouldn't mind if more establishments like that took interest in high school sports. Now that I'm retired, I wouldn't mind a watering hole where I could go enjoy a beer or two watching some local football. Especially since a lot of schools are streaming games. I stream the majority of Liberty Center games and get a kick out of their play by play guys. Otsego does a good job streaming their home games as well. The kid that does the announcing is pretty good and really seems to do his homework. A long time ago in a place far far away I was coaching a team and we went up against Ironton for the first time. As soon as the playoff pairing were released, I got a call from a bar in Ironton asking if they could purchase a helmet from our team for a donation to the program. I don't remember the place, but I guess they have/had a helmet from every team Ironton ever played. I thought this was pretty cool.
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Spot on, brother. I love watching the Buckeye replays of games, hell, even the Al-Qaeda sport, soccer. I think NW OH cable broadcasting does more for HS sports than any other part of the state. I wish my Hollywood clipboard taxes went to Rossford and not Toledo...but I'm just a hack with very few agreeable posts, lol.

Speaking of Ironton...Columbus St. Francis Desales/Ironton games were a ticket to be had. Even the tailgates were something else but I digress.

Now back to the thread. Maumee as #2? Really? They were 5-5 in '23, then '24, 8-3, beating one team +.500. Kind of nothing previously. Is a #2 to be expected next year or where the past two years classes exceeded and then they fall back to 0-10, or one/two wins next year?
 
Gamma Gobbler said:
Spot on, brother. I love watching the Buckeye replays of games, hell, even the Al-Qaeda sport, soccer. I think NW OH cable broadcasting does more for HS sports than any other part of the state. I wish my Hollywood clipboard taxes went to Rossford and not Toledo...but I'm just a hack with very few agreeable posts, lol.

Speaking of Ironton...Columbus St. Francis Desales/Ironton games were a ticket to be had. Even the tailgates were something else but I digress.

Now back to the thread. Maumee as #2? Really? They were 5-5 in '23, then '24, 8-3, beating one team +.500. Kind of nothing previously. Is a #2 to be expected next year or where the past two years classes exceeded and then they fall back to 0-10, or one/two wins next year?
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Ah yes, the good ole days. Speaking of old Ironton football, I will never forget watching them lose in the last seconds of a state championship game to... I think Perkins... after going for it on 4th and inches to try to ice it, not getting it, and then giving up a hail Mary the very next possession.

Now NBC: I feel like 0-10 is going to be pretty hard for Maumee to regress to with Lake, Fostoria, and Rossford in the league. I don't see them beating Eastwood or Oak Harbor. Otsego should be better next year as well. I don't know much about what Genoa has coming back, but they're not going to fall below that middle of the pack, even when they're down. Maumee should have enough talent to get by the rest of the league. One thing I liked about the real old playoff layout of only 4 teams getting in, and then the new old layout of only 8 teams getting in is that it really punished schools like Maumee who is DIII playing in a conference with a majority of DV teams. 8-2 and then being one and done in the playoffs hosting against a 5-5 Lexington team that was not good for Lexington standards just doesn't seem like much of an achievement when you consider this.
 
underthelights said:
First off, ranking coaches is hard. It's a thankless job a lot of times and communities act like you're getting paid a BIG10 salary when in reality these guys are making $5,000-$10,000 max to devote the whole year to kids. They probably don't deserve the scrutiny of a ranking list... but here we go. Your list is pretty solid on coaches. I tend to think that Oak Harbor is currently the best program in the league by a pretty large margin and programs are usually a reflection of their coach. Looking at the website, the won league in both the high school and junior high levels, so I imagine they will continue to be in contention for league titles for some time.

Rutherford is a product of Eastwood, but I think he is a very good coach. The next few years will be telling as Otsego has a lot of young talent. It looks like their middle school teams were a mixed bag, but there were scores missing so it's hard to tell what's coming up outside of the freshman class that posters have mentioned previously. If he can turn Otsego into a consistent contender, I would have no problem moving him to that top spot.

Karchner and Cotterman are hard to place. They both seem to be solid coaches. Cotterman took over a well established program with rich tradition. He didn't mess it up. So there is a lot to be said for that. They also competed well in the playoffs with a deep run that ended at the hands of Edison. Maumee, on the other hand, was a mess when Karchner took over. They've turned it around to an 8-2 finish seeing him win coach of the year in just his second year there. That comes after making the move to the NBC where they are now the largest school in the league, so that's a factor you have to consider as well.

Fisher at Genoa always fields a competitive team. I doubt you will see them at the bottom of the league anytime soon. There is a lot to be said for that.

Angelone, same thing can be said at Fostoria. They seemed to be competitive though.

Bishop at Lake took over a program in a very difficult situation. I really think it's too early to rank what he's doing over there.

Drusback... Rossford was the biggest district in the league for quite some time and they haven't seen much success. The issues with Rossford have been well discussed so I'm not sure his ranking is deserved. The only knock I'd give him is the fact that Rossford seemingly refuses to play defense.
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The reason I ranked Karchner and Cotterman where I did is because there offence is a huge part of their success. I ranked Fisher where I did is because Genoa seems to be above average every year but I do think there are better coaches in the NBC that are better than him. He is still a great coach IMO. I will put Genoa at 4 in the rankings than Otsego at 5
 
underthelights said:
First off, ranking coaches is hard. It's a thankless job a lot of times and communities act like you're getting paid a BIG10 salary when in reality these guys are making $5,000-$10,000 max to devote the whole year to kids. They probably don't deserve the scrutiny of a ranking list... but here we go. Your list is pretty solid on coaches. I tend to think that Oak Harbor is currently the best program in the league by a pretty large margin and programs are usually a reflection of their coach. Looking at the website, they won league in both the high school and junior high levels, so I imagine they will continue to be in contention for league titles for some time.

Rutherford is a product of Eastwood, but I think he is a very good coach. The next few years will be telling as Otsego has a lot of young talent. It looks like their middle school teams were a mixed bag, but there were scores missing so it's hard to tell what's coming up outside of the freshman class that posters have mentioned previously. If he can turn Otsego into a consistent contender, I would have no problem moving him to that top spot.

Karchner and Cotterman are hard to place. They both seem to be solid coaches. Cotterman took over a well established program with rich tradition. He didn't mess it up. So there is a lot to be said for that. They also competed well in the playoffs with a deep run that ended at the hands of Edison. Maumee, on the other hand, was a mess when Karchner took over. They've turned it around to an 8-2 finish seeing him win coach of the year in just his second year there. That comes after making the move to the NBC where they are now the largest school in the league, so that's a factor you have to consider as well.

Fisher at Genoa always fields a competitive team. I doubt you will see them at the bottom of the league anytime soon. There is a lot to be said for that.

Bishop at Lake took over a program in a very difficult situation. I really think it's too early to rank what he's doing over there.

Angelone, same thing can be said at Fostoria. They seemed to be competitive though.

Drusback... Rossford was the biggest district in the league for quite some time and they haven't seen much success. The issues with Rossford have been well discussed so I'm not sure his ranking is deserved. The only knock I'd give him is the fact that Rossford seemingly refuses to play defense.
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Drusback deserves all the criticism. I hate being critical of coaches but Rossford routinely punched above its weight in the NLL at a similar size in the 2000s. Now they finish last in the NBC? Ridiculous
 
underthelights said:
Right, or maybe until a coaching positions becomes open or something. But hey, the kid wants to talk. I can't help it that he misses us. And be careful calling out the union of Danny's and Rossford. I was chastised for suggesting it's not a good look.
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No one chastised you. Im just failing to see why a bar commercial referencing its location as being across the street from a school is a bad look or even noteworthy. Its 2024. The location of a bar in proximity to a school is about item #999 is the list of things that influence or pose a threat to students. Dannys is also a huge sponsor and also promotes hs athletics around the area. They advertise in the RHS athletic programs, on video boards, etc. All of the bars in Rossford do....much like local bars also do in many local districts. No one bats an eye. So why are you asserting its bad look for Rossford?

Im more concerned about the bad look that the varsity boys and girls basketball and football teams combining for less than 20 wins in 2 seasons provides.
 
Bitter Pine Sitter said:
No one chastised you. Im just failing to see why a bar commercial referencing its location as being across the street from a school is a bad look or even noteworthy. Its 2024. The location of a bar in proximity to a school is about item #999 is the list of things that influence or pose a threat to students. Dannys is also a huge sponsor and also promotes hs athletics around the area. They advertise in the RHS athletic programs, on video boards, etc. All of the bars in Rossford do....much like local bars also do in many local districts. No one bats an eye. So why are you asserting its bad look for Rossford?

Im more concerned about the bad look that the varsity boys and girls basketball and football teams combining for less than 20 wins in 2 seasons provides.
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As stated above, Danny's is a cool spot. Glad to see you here. :)
 
underthelights said:
First off, ranking coaches is hard. It's a thankless job a lot of times and communities act like you're getting paid a BIG10 salary when in reality these guys are making $5,000-$10,000 max to devote the whole year to kids. They probably don't deserve the scrutiny of a ranking list... but here we go. Your list is pretty solid on coaches. I tend to think that Oak Harbor is currently the best program in the league by a pretty large margin and programs are usually a reflection of their coach. Looking at the website, they won league in both the high school and junior high levels, so I imagine they will continue to be in contention for league titles for some time.

Rutherford is a product of Eastwood, but I think he is a very good coach. The next few years will be telling as Otsego has a lot of young talent. It looks like their middle school teams were a mixed bag, but there were scores missing so it's hard to tell what's coming up outside of the freshman class that posters have mentioned previously. If he can turn Otsego into a consistent contender, I would have no problem moving him to that top spot.

Karchner and Cotterman are hard to place. They both seem to be solid coaches. Cotterman took over a well established program with rich tradition. He didn't mess it up. So there is a lot to be said for that. They also competed well in the playoffs with a deep run that ended at the hands of Edison. Maumee, on the other hand, was a mess when Karchner took over. They've turned it around to an 8-2 finish seeing him win coach of the year in just his second year there. That comes after making the move to the NBC where they are now the largest school in the league, so that's a factor you have to consider as well.

Fisher at Genoa always fields a competitive team. I doubt you will see them at the bottom of the league anytime soon. There is a lot to be said for that.

Bishop at Lake took over a program in a very difficult situation. I really think it's too early to rank what he's doing over there.

Angelone, same thing can be said at Fostoria. They seemed to be competitive though.

Drusback... Rossford was the biggest district in the league for quite some time and they haven't seen much success. The issues with Rossford have been well discussed so I'm not sure his ranking is deserved. The only knock I'd give him is the fact that Rossford seemingly refuses to play defense.
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Mike May is somehow one of the least talked about coaches in the area, but that's a great staff. He and Rutherford are the clear 1 and 2, even in a league with a lot of great coaches. Cotterman is probably next on the list, but as you said, hard to judge a guy taking over such a good program. Karchner has done a really good job of running things and they'll be the most talented team in the league for awhile. He does also, let's be honest, rub a lot of people the wrong way. Genoa is never uncompetitive, but I think if there's any team in the league you can point to as slightly underperforming the talent they have, it would be them.
 
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Karchner has done a really good job of running things and they'll be the most talented team in the league for awhile. He does also, let's be honest, rub a lot of people the wrong way.
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Not sure why you think they’ll be the most talented for a while. I think next years team will be similar to this years, they lose some very important pieces like Wulf, Mays, Simpson and Graetz but return enough that should keep them in the upper tier with the current 10th grade able to fill some holes. I don’t believe the current 8th or 9th graders were anything special so at most there are 2 more years of success then I’d expect a bit if drop off. Like someone already said 0-10 shouldn’t ever happen in the NBC for Maumee but finishing under .500 in ‘27 wouldn’t shock me, still a few years off from that though.
 
Predicting the league this far out seems a bit crazy, without knowing much about who returns what Id say the early favorite may be Eastwood but I expect Genoa and Otsego to be better with a lot returning. Oak Harbor will probably be good but not as good as they’ve been the last couple years. Maumee should remain a contender but no better than this seasons team. Will be interesting to see if Lake, Rossford or Fostoria can improve enough to compete with those top 5.
 
Who got coach of the year for the NBC? I know karchner was D3 coach of the year. But like for the NWOAL Barry Bock got it, so I guess I’m asking if it went to karchner or another HC.
 
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Predicting the league this far out seems a bit crazy, without knowing much about who returns what Id say the early favorite may be Eastwood but I expect Genoa and Otsego to be better with a lot returning. Oak Harbor will probably be good but not as good as they’ve been the last couple years. Maumee should remain a contender but no better than this seasons team. Will be interesting to see if Lake, Rossford or Fostoria can improve enough to compete with those top 5.
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Everyone loses a lot between the top 3 in Eastwood, Oak Harbor and Maumee. Oak Harbor probably loses the most, then Eastwood, then Maumee. Otsego was super young and will return a lot. Rossford was young, but I heard some of their top guys transferred out to St. Francis.

Early prediction

1. Oak Harbor
2. Maumee
3. Eastwood
4. Otsego
5. Genoa
6. Fostoria
7. Lake
8. Rossford

I think 1-4 is pretty tight this upcoming season and then there is a massive drop off. Last year I thought it was Oak Harbor and then everyone else.
 
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Everyone loses a lot between the top 3 in Eastwood, Oak Harbor and Maumee. Oak Harbor probably loses the most, then Eastwood, then Maumee. Otsego was super young and will return a lot. Rossford was young, but I heard some of their top guys transferred out to St. Francis.

Early prediction

1. Oak Harbor
2. Maumee
3. Eastwood
4. Otsego
5. Genoa
6. Fostoria
7. Lake
8. Rossford

I think 1-4 is pretty tight this upcoming season and then there is a massive drop off. Last year I thought it was Oak Harbor and then everyone else.
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Too bad Rossford can’t get a defence to play. They have a pretty good offence but they just refuse to play defence. Who calls the defence at Rossford?
 
Any of you guys think Jerry Rutherford would be interested? He said he would be interested if it was the right job and it was close? Talking about Gibsonburg.
 
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He’s currently the Otsego freshmen head coach and I have been told he won’t return. After his son left Eastwood, he was an assistant at Gibsonsburg for one season.
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I know he is the current HC for the freshman team at Otsego,But he said if the job is right he would take it. Its only 15 mins from his town.
 
I wouldn't be totally surprised to see a move to Gibsonburg for the elder Rutherford but I think it is unlikely. I believe he has history there, maybe as an o-line coach? What is tricky is that he is retired. A lot of districts want their coach to be in the building. If I were a coach, I'd also want to be in the building. It just helps with building relationships with kids. I'm not sure how old he is, but being retired, how many years is he going to give you as a coach? Do you want to take on someone who is only going to be with the program for a short time? I also imagine it's pretty cool to come full circle and help your kid be successful as a head coach. How hard will it be to get him away from that? Obviously, he's a great coach with an outstanding history and I believe he will do great wherever he is.
 
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I wouldn't be totally surprised to see a move to Gibsonburg for the elder Rutherford but I think it is unlikely. I believe he has history there, maybe as an o-line coach? What is tricky is that he is retired. A lot of districts want their coach to be in the building. If I were a coach, I'd also want to be in the building. It just helps with building relationships with kids. I'm not sure how old he is, but being retired, how many years is he going to give you as a coach? Do you want to take on someone who is only going to be with the program for a short time? I also imagine it's pretty cool to come full circle and help your kid be successful as a head coach. How hard will it be to get him away from that? Obviously, he's a great coach with an outstanding history and I believe he will do great wherever he is.
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I agree, I was just saying he might go there due to the history he has there and being friends with Coach Wyant.
 
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