2025 Federal League Football Official Thread

doubtme said:
its a shame if they only have 9 games. Honestly, its time to Fed schools, especially the D1's to schedule Ed's, Iggy, Hoban, Massillon, etc. Virtually every D1 team gets in the playoff anyway so why not take a crack at them and see where you measure up before its November and your team already likely thinks its going to get drilled and gives less effort anyway. Especially after they dropped Mentor and picked up D3 Chardon. I hope the investigated playing one of the other big boys but my hopes aren't high. I figured with Peterson out as AD they would pick up Massillon or an Iggy, they picked up Mentor, which was great, but man, they should have kept that game at least. IMO
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If Massillon is out of the question, Jackson should try to get SLN schools like Hudson, Nordonia and Wadsworth on the schedule. One of those, in addition to Fitch, provides a respectable non-conference slate. The Mayfield series is 6-2 in favor of the Polar Bears, nine matchups with them is more than enough.

But Jackson's administration, apparently so afraid that a potential loss to Massillon will set the program back years, should know that every other Federal League team has lost to Massillon at some point in the last few years and the sun still came up the next day.

Hoover- got blown out in the Region 7 quarterfinal vs Massillon in 2020. Won the Federal League the next year.
Perry- got blown out in the Region 5 semifinal vs Massillon in 2019. Won the Federal League the next year.
Green- got blown out in the Region 7 Final vs Massillon in 2023. Went 7-5 the next year.
Lake- got blown out in the Region 7 Final vs Massillon in 2022. Went 9-4 the next year.
GlenOak- down by 40 at halftime vs Massillon in 2023. Went 7-5, finishing second in the league at 4-2.
McKinley- shut out by Massillon in 2023, won two playoff games immediately after.

Seriously, what exactly do they fear happening to their program if they play Massillon?
 
Bull GreenDog said:
If Massillon is out of the question, Jackson should try to get SLN schools like Hudson, Nordonia and Wadsworth on the schedule. One of those, in addition to Fitch, provides a respectable non-conference slate. The Mayfield series is 6-2 in favor of the Polar Bears, nine matchups with them is more than enough.

But Jackson's administration, apparently so afraid that a potential loss to Massillon will set the program back years, should know that every other Federal League team has lost to Massillon at some point in the last few years and the sun still came up the next day.

Hoover- got blown out in the Region 7 quarterfinal vs Massillon in 2020. Won the Federal League the next year.
Perry- got blown out in the Region 5 semifinal vs Massillon in 2019. Won the Federal League the next year.
Green- got blown out in the Region 7 Final vs Massillon in 2023. Went 7-5 the next year.
Lake- got blown out in the Region 7 Final vs Massillon in 2022. Went 9-4 the next year.
GlenOak- down by 40 at halftime vs Massillon in 2023. Went 7-5, finishing second in the league at 4-2.
McKinley- shut out by Massillon in 2023, won two playoff games immediately after.

Seriously, what exactly do they fear happening to their program if they play Massillon?
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Before you chime in about the other Fed Teams.....why don't you work on getting your Green Bulldogs on Massillon's schedule...lets take a look and see if it was doable....2021 Ellet, North Olmsted, Garfield Hts.....2022 Ellet, North Olmsted, Tallmadge...Green could have played Massillon Week 3 instead of Tallmadge, 2023 Dover, South Range, Tallmadge..Green could have played Massillon week one instead of Dover and also week three, 2024 Dover, Riverside, Tallmadge...back to week one and week three again...did not go with week two because Massillon plays GlenOak...looks like it could have been done...why did they not schedule each other
 
doubtme said:
its a shame if they only have 9 games. Honestly, its time to Fed schools, especially the D1's to schedule Ed's, Iggy, Hoban, Massillon, etc. Virtually every D1 team gets in the playoff anyway so why not take a crack at them and see where you measure up before its November and your team already likely thinks its going to get drilled and gives less effort anyway. Especially after they dropped Mentor and picked up D3 Chardon. I hope the investigated playing one of the other big boys but my hopes aren't high. I figured with Peterson out as AD they would pick up Massillon or an Iggy, they picked up Mentor, which was great, but man, they should have kept that game at least. IMO
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Definitely need Massillon on the schedule. Somewhere in Weeks 4-10 as part of the annual league schedule. Unfortunately doesn't help with Week 3, haha
 
Bluestreakoffice said:
Before you chime in about the other Fed Teams.....why don't you work on getting your Green Bulldogs on Massillon's schedule...lets take a look and see if it was doable....2021 Ellet, North Olmsted, Garfield Hts.....2022 Ellet, North Olmsted, Tallmadge...Green could have played Massillon Week 3 instead of Tallmadge, 2023 Dover, South Range, Tallmadge..Green could have played Massillon week one instead of Dover and also week three, 2024 Dover, Riverside, Tallmadge...back to week one and week three again...did not go with week two because Massillon plays GlenOak...looks like it could have been done...why did they not schedule each other
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I would be perfectly happy if Green scheduled Massillon. However, I would argue the situation is somewhat different from Jacksons, as Green does not share a border with Massillon, is in a different county, and has no history of playing the Tigers in regular season contests. I remember reading in the past that Massillon had reached out to Jackson about scheduling a football game and the Bears turned them down. No idea if Massillon has even expressed interest in playing Green (maybe they have, but I haven't heard about it).

Your point about Green's non-conference schedules in 2021 and 2022 being too easy is completely fair. Those games were scheduled (2019 or 2020) when Green was in much worse shape than it is now, and I assume Ellet, N Olmsted, and Garfield Hts were put on the schedule in order to build confidence going into league play. Green's schedules from 2015-2018 turned out to be a bit too difficult for the Bulldogs. I think it was expected that Green would get more league wins than they did, and it wouldn't take a 4-0 non-league record to make the playoffs. The non-conference schedules in 2021 and 2022 were probably an over-correction. Also, the success of the 2021 team was unexpected, I thought they'd be over .500 but had no expectations of a deep postseason run.

Green's non-conference schedules in 2023 and 2024 have been appropriate. We've added a defending state champ in South Range in 2023, and open with Indian Valley in 2025. Riverside won 11 games in 2022 and 2023 and beat both Mentor and SLA champion Aurora in 2023. I thought they would do something similar last year, comparable to Nordonia or Highland, and that it would be the toughest game on Green's schedule besides McKinley, but that obviously didn't happen. Tallmadge is a historic rival, so I'm in favor of keeping that game going. With the Tigers and GlenOak set for Week 2, that leaves Week 1.

I'm very excited to play Indian Valley in this year's opener, and think it will be a difficult game for the Bulldogs. But, yes, I'd rather have played Massillon, just for the gate alone. No idea if Massillon (who is facing a very strong Glenville team in their opener) even wanted to play Green, but if they did ask, and Green turned them down, I think that was a mistake on our part.
 
bootleg said:
There is nothing wrong with Green's schedule.
No one HAS TO or SHOULD play anyone.
The schools in the Federal League honor the league and respect it.
Teams in the league absolutely should avoid contests vs schools that have fan bases that vehemently despise the league and disrespect it when they can.

go print another tshirt up to wear around town

Jackson folk can not soil their reputation having the dregs of their township in their stadium (this is a joke by the way)

how bout I put it this way - if your school doesn't have boosters actively recruiting like an iggy or eds.....or hoban or others.......
then schedule however whatever gives you the best chance for the most wins and tell anyone else not of your school to go kick rocks - not all schools actively recruit "transfers"
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Want some cheese with that?

But seriously, good luck next year with your Hoban staff, open enrollment, and numerous transfers. (y)
 
TigerBeast78 said:
Isn't it hilarious how they ignore all the transfers last year and the nation wide Texas connection 😂 😂 😂 😂 such "respectful business" .Quick to point the finger at someone else yet act blind like they don't do it
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What's hilarious (or maybe just sad) is you ignoring what someone wrote because it doesn't fit your narative.

Who is "they"? It's not Bootleg. If you read what Bootleg wrote, he didn't ignore anything or "act blind." He wrote this:

"I see nothing positive coming from nor do I support the moves going on that you speak of
I will take my dollars elsewhere on friday nights to programs that I respect on how they handle their business."

So, after Bootleg flat out wrote that he disaproves of the "Hoban staff, open enrollment, and numerous transfers" TigerPaw brought up, and also wrote that he will not be following McKinley, you then you say it's hilarious how "they" (using him as an example) ignore all of that. I don't see things the way Bootleg does, but I will certainly point out that it's inaccurate to use him as an example of McKinley fans who didn't have a problem with kids coming from Texas, open enrollment, etc..

As for me, yeah, I certainly could've done without bringing kids up from Texas through an incompetent, unqualified offensive coordinator. It was wrong, and it was also an unmitigated disaster -- as evidenced by only one of those 4 kids ending the season on the team.

Now, I don't know how hiring Hoban coaches is supposed to be a sign of something shady, or something that is shameful, and I certainly have no problem with McKinley going to Open Enrollment when more than 500 of the Ohio's 615 school districts are already Open Enrollment. That hardly seems rogue when you look at those numbers. But that's how I see it, not Bootleg, and he made that perfectly clear.
 
Let'sGoPups! said:
What's hilarious (or maybe just sad) is you ignoring what someone wrote because it doesn't fit your narative.

Who is "they"? It's not Bootleg. If you read what Bootleg wrote, he didn't ignore anything or "act blind." He wrote this:

"I see nothing positive coming from nor do I support the moves going on that you speak of
I will take my dollars elsewhere on friday nights to programs that I respect on how they handle their business."

So, after Bootleg flat out wrote that he disaproves of the "Hoban staff, open enrollment, and numerous transfers" TigerPaw brought up, and also wrote that he will not be following McKinley, you then you say it's hilarious how "they" (using him as an example) ignore all of that. I don't see things the way Bootleg does, but I will certainly point out that it's inaccurate to use him as an example of McKinley fans who didn't have a problem with kids coming from Texas, open enrollment, etc..

As for me, yeah, I certainly could've done without bringing kids up from Texas through an incompetent, unqualified offensive coordinator. It was wrong, and it was also an unmitigated disaster -- as evidenced by only one of those 4 kids ending the season on the team.

Now, I don't know how hiring Hoban coaches is supposed to be a sign of something shady, or something that is shameful, and I certainly have no problem with McKinley going to Open Enrollment when more than 500 of the Ohio's 615 school districts are already Open Enrollment. That hardly seems rogue when you look at those numbers. But that's how I see it, not Bootleg, and he made that perfectly clear.
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You missed the post before where he was talking about teams don't need to play teams unless those teams Boosters actively recruit like Ed's...Hoban... Who do you think he was talking about that Boosters recruit "like" Ed's or Hoban..... Massillon. You act like it's something new numerous times I've seen Mck posters point the finger this way when you guys do the same thing every year. I have no problem with you doing it but man learn to own up to your Sh#t. As far as open enrollment goes I agree Mck should of had it along time ago
 
Let'sGoPups! said:
What's hilarious (or maybe just sad) is you ignoring what someone wrote because it doesn't fit your narative.

Who is "they"? It's not Bootleg. If you read what Bootleg wrote, he didn't ignore anything or "act blind." He wrote this:

"I see nothing positive coming from nor do I support the moves going on that you speak of
I will take my dollars elsewhere on friday nights to programs that I respect on how they handle their business."

So, after Bootleg flat out wrote that he disaproves of the "Hoban staff, open enrollment, and numerous transfers" TigerPaw brought up, and also wrote that he will not be following McKinley, you then you say it's hilarious how "they" (using him as an example) ignore all of that. I don't see things the way Bootleg does, but I will certainly point out that it's inaccurate to use him as an example of McKinley fans who didn't have a problem with kids coming from Texas, open enrollment, etc..

As for me, yeah, I certainly could've done without bringing kids up from Texas through an incompetent, unqualified offensive coordinator. It was wrong, and it was also an unmitigated disaster -- as evidenced by only one of those 4 kids ending the season on the team.

Now, I don't know how hiring Hoban coaches is supposed to be a sign of something shady, or something that is shameful, and I certainly have no problem with McKinley going to Open Enrollment when more than 500 of the Ohio's 615 school districts are already Open Enrollment. That hardly seems rogue when you look at those numbers. But that's how I see it, not Bootleg, and he made that perfectly clear.
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Is the transfer QB a local kid? Hopefully the kid that has been there patiently awaiting his opportunity receives a fair shot to compete to start.
 
TigerBeast78 said:
You missed the post before where he was talking about teams don't need to play teams unless those teams actively recruit like Ed's...Hoban... Who do you think he was talking about that recruit "like" Ed's or Hoban..... Massillon. You act like it's something new numerous times I've seen Mck posters point the finger this way when you guys do the same thing every year. I have no problem with you doing it but man learn to own up to your Sh#t. As far as open enrollment goes I agree Mck should of had it along time ago
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You nailed it. Yes Massillon allegedly recruits and does some “shady” things (they wouldn’t be “shady” if OHSAA joined us in the 21st century). Other publics that allegedly employ similar tactics are Glenville, Perkins, Springfield, and McK among others. McK is the only school mentioned that hasn’t been successful recently and that’s what bothers McK fans and I get it.
 
Tarblooder_Rocketgrad said:
Unless someone is misinformed I was told they have a transfer QB. I just hope the kid that has been there for 2 years has a chance to compete.
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Yeah I didn't know what they had this year. It's been awhile since they had a Canton kid at QB. Not sure why ,are all the Canton kids just not very good at QB?
 
Tarblooder_Rocketgrad said:
You nailed it. Yes Massillon allegedly recruits and does some “shady” things (they wouldn’t be “shady” if OHSAA joined us in the 21st century). Other publics that allegedly employ similar tactics are Glenville, Perkins, Springfield, and McK among others. McK is the only school mentioned that hasn’t been successful recently and that’s what bothers McK fans and I get it.
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Exactly and if Mck starts to have some recent success they will attract better transfers and more kids will want to go there. I also have no problem with that. If a kid wants to move to attend a school to better his future and be successful I'm all for it.
 
TigerBeast78 said:
Yeah I didn't know what they had this year. It's been awhile since they had a Canton kid at QB. Not sure why ,are all the Canton kids just not very good at QB?
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The last two have not been from Canton, and there are certainly rumors that the qb this year will be another transfer (although nothing is official as far as I know).

The last QB from Canton was Amarion Williams, who split time with Keaton Rode as a senior in 2021. Before Williams, Elijah Wesley was the starting quarterback in 2019 and 2020 under Wattley and then went to the U of Toledo. Under Reardon, the starting QBs were Dominque Robinson (2015-16) and Alijah Curtis (2017-18). So, it's been (as of now) 2 transfer qbs over 4 seasons, and I would imagine that trend will continue this upcoming season.
 
Let'sGoPups! said:
The last two have not been from Canton, and there are certainly rumors that the qb this year will be another transfer (although nothing is official as far as I know).

The last QB from Canton was Amarion Williams, who split time with Keaton Rode as a senior in 2021. Before Williams, Elijah Wesley was the starting quarterback in 2019 and 2020 under Wattley and then went to the U of Toledo. Under Reardon, the starting QBs were Dominque Robinson (2015-16) and Alijah Curtis (2017-18). So, it's been (as of now) 2 transfer qbs over 4 seasons, and I would imagine that trend will continue this upcoming season.
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Maybe Canton just don't develop well at the QB position recently. I know all the ones you mentioned were recent QBs but the last one I remember the name standing out to me was Glover -Williams and I know that was awhile ago.
 
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bootleg said:
right

no worries, I think Canton will be developing QBs like you guys developed Daone Jones from now on
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Yeah its DaOne OWENS btw and guess what we also had Zwick. 😂 do better That's two transfer QBs over the last 25 years not two in a row and with your guy this year not 3 in a row.
 
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Bull GreenDog said:
Hold on, weren't Kyle Kempt and Danny Clark also transfers
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No Clark wasn't and Kempt moved from Oregon so technically yeah but definitely not a move for just for football. Even that would make only 3 in the last 25 years compared to three in a row (if the new Mck QB this year is a transfer like people are saying)
 
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TigerBeast78 said:
Exactly and if Mck starts to have some recent success they will attract better transfers and more kids will want to go there. I also have no problem with that. If a kid wants to move to attend a school to better his future and be successful I'm all for it.
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It's a nonsensical narrative.
 
eaglepride said:
Is St. Edward off the table for and Fed schools due to them being a private school even with the expanded playoff format? Would be nice to play McKinley or Jackson, etc as opposed to finding OOS teams ?
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The Fed schools, besides GlenOak and McKinley, won't under any circumstances schedule Massillon. So I seriously doubt they'd schedule Ed's. They're afraid to lose
 
dexksim said:
The Fed schools, besides GlenOak and McKinley, won't under any circumstances schedule Massillon. So I seriously doubt they'd schedule Ed's. They're afraid to lose
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Why should Hoover, Perry, Green and Lake schedule Massillon when they could meet in the playoffs? In another discussion here some Massillon fans said that's why they don't have Hoban on their schedule. McK and GlenOak being DI don't have that concern. Jackson I guess has their reasons. Massillon has a difficult time scheduling games but it isn't the Federal leagues responsibility to fill their schedule.
 
chito said:
Why should Hoover, Perry, Green and Lake schedule Massillon when they could meet in the playoffs? In another discussion here some Massillon fans said that's why they don't have Hoban on their schedule. McK and GlenOak being DI don't have that concern. Jackson I guess has their reasons. Massillon has a difficult time scheduling games but it isn't the Federal leagues responsibility to fill their schedule.
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Your right it's not their responsibility however I can understand Hoover and Perry not scheduling Massillon because they could meet in the playoffs, but I don't see a very high chance of Green or Lake meeting Massillon in the playoffs anymore.
 
chito said:
Why should Hoover, Perry, Green and Lake schedule Massillon when they could meet in the playoffs? In another discussion here some Massillon fans said that's why they don't have Hoban on their schedule. McK and GlenOak being DI don't have that concern. Jackson I guess has their reasons. Massillon has a difficult time scheduling games but it isn't the Federal leagues responsibility to fill their schedule.
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If Green is going to deliberately schedule a hard non-conference game in which we will be an underdog as a way to prepare ourselves for the postseason, I would actually prefer it to be a team we might play again in the playoffs, just so we have the experience of facing them already, and seeing what adjustments would need to be made before a potential rematch. Seeing as Green is in region 5 now, I would support playing one of Walsh, Hoban, Nordonia, Fitch, or Hudson. If Green goes back to region 7, I'd rather schedule Massillon.
 
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