2025 Cincinnati Reds Thread

wolves82 said:
You insulted him by telling him he was on 14Red's level. You crushed his spirit.
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Gh0st said:
You are either Nick Krall or Phil Castellini. Reds haven’t won a playoff series in 30 years. All the prospects following the post-2013 rebuild are on the major league team with timers on them as the front office has low-balled both McLain and De La Cruz and has indicated they are not going to pay what it takes to extend them.

Please professor, tell us when the franchise is “ready” for it. The prospect cupboard is bare so once the current team signs elsewhere, there’s nothing behind it.
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I promise you, I am neither and I'd hope they have better things to do than pound out messages on a message board. But anyway, first of all while it's true that the club has not won a playoff series in 30 years, Nick Krall has been in charge for what, less than 4 seasons? Now Castelini has been there for awhile but what are you going to do? Owners are owners, and as long as their making money, they're not selling. So I don't know why fans constantly complain about ownership?

There are many prospects post 2013 that have already played, or have fizzled out and that's not a Reds thing, that's a baseball thing. Under the current collective bargaining agreement, player salaries are structured early in their careers so McLain and Elly were not low balled. There is also signing bonuses they were paid. They are paid what the CBA allows them to, and that's all of baseball does, not just the Reds. And honestly, do you want to extend McLain with what you've seen this season??? This is other thing fans don't ever seem to get. The Reds paid Mike Moustakas, Will Myers and currently Jamier Candelario a pile of money and there was little to no return, and it's got so bad with the first two they were paid to NOT play for the Reds.

To me the Reds blueprint is simple. You have Elly, McLain, Friedl, Steer, Marte, Greene, Lodolo, Abbott, Burns - a solid core of players that you build the team on, and then you add pieces when you can. Now that doesn't mean you go get a player and sign them to a 4-5 year contract. The pieces you add are likely going to be 1-2 year guys with options so you don't get locked down.
There are currently 12 teams in baseball that are 5 games over or 5 games under .500. A few teams way over .500 and a few way under. I don't know that anyone honestly thinks the Reds have played overall great baseball this season. Most feel due to injuries and inconsistency, this team has underperformed. Believe me, I get tired of hearing all the time that X player "will be back soon", but again that's kind of baseball reality now.
To answer your question, I don't know that you ever know you're "ready" to win this season, it's fluid. I've always used 1990 as an example. That team wasn't projected to be great. They got off to a great start, you got above level performances from a number of guys and they were hot come playoff time.
 
I promise you, I am neither and I'd hope they have better things to do than pound out messages on a message board. But anyway, first of all while it's true that the club has not won a playoff series in 30 years, Nick Krall has been in charge for what, less than 4 seasons? Now Castelini has been there for awhile but what are you going to do? Owners are owners, and as long as their making money, they're not selling. So I don't know why fans constantly complain about ownership?
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"Where you gonna go?" Okay Phil...

There are many prospects post 2013 that have already played, or have fizzled out and that's not a Reds thing, that's a baseball thing. Under the current collective bargaining agreement, player salaries are structured early in their careers so McLain and Elly were not low balled. There is also signing bonuses they were paid. They are paid what the CBA allows them to, and that's all of baseball does, not just the Reds. And honestly, do you want to extend McLain with what you've seen this season??? This is other thing fans don't ever seem to get. The Reds paid Mike Moustakas, Will Myers and currently Jamier Candelario a pile of money and there was little to no return, and it's got so bad with the first two they were paid to NOT play for the Reds.
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McLain was low-balled. He refused the extension offer because he "didn't find it acceptable". And, yes, I would extend him. He's having a sophomore slump but has proven he can hit major league pitching and his defense is very good. It would be incredibly naive to think the Reds can or will afford a better option.

I don't understand why you think signing bad contracts with over-the-hill players justifies not attempting to add any talent to the team. You also think it obfuscates any blame from Nick Krall as to why he refuses to spend money. He made bad deals, it's 100% his fault. Not only is he a bad GM, he's a horrendous small market GM.

To me the Reds blueprint is simple. You have Elly, McLain, Friedl, Steer, Marte, Greene, Lodolo, Abbott, Burns - a solid core of players that you build the team on, and then you add pieces when you can. Now that doesn't mean you go get a player and sign them to a 4-5 year contract. The pieces you add are likely going to be 1-2 year guys with options so you don't get locked down.
There are currently 12 teams in baseball that are 5 games over or 5 games under .500. A few teams way over .500 and a few way under. I don't know that anyone honestly thinks the Reds have played overall great baseball this season. Most feel due to injuries and inconsistency, this team has underperformed. Believe me, I get tired of hearing all the time that X player "will be back soon", but again that's kind of baseball reality now.
To answer your question, I don't know that you ever know you're "ready" to win this season, it's fluid. I've always used 1990 as an example. That team wasn't projected to be great. They got off to a great start, you got above level performances from a number of guys and they were hot come playoff time.
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Most feel they have underperformed because they have underperformed. Every team in baseball has injuries, it's no excuse for performance. The Reds front office has not built any depth in the roster to weather any injuries. To answer your comment, the "ready to win" mentality came from ownership and the front office. This has been the year circled to be competitive. I see no indication that ownership wants to be competitive. I'm in the majority of Reds fans that feel this way. What we're tired of hearing is that we need to wait and see what we have. It's just nonsense to try and get people to pay money to go to the ballpark. It's not a winning mentality at all.
 
Gh0st said:
"Where you gonna go?" Okay Phil...


McLain was low-balled. He refused the extension offer because he "didn't find it acceptable". And, yes, I would extend him. He's having a sophomore slump but has proven he can hit major league pitching and his defense is very good. It would be incredibly naive to think the Reds can or will afford a better option.

I don't understand why you think signing bad contracts with over-the-hill players justifies not attempting to add any talent to the team. You also think it obfuscates any blame from Nick Krall as to why he refuses to spend money. He made bad deals, it's 100% his fault. Not only is he a bad GM, he's a horrendous small market GM.


Most feel they have underperformed because they have underperformed. Every team in baseball has injuries, it's no excuse for performance. The Reds front office has not built any depth in the roster to weather any injuries. To answer your comment, the "ready to win" mentality came from ownership and the front office. This has been the year circled to be competitive. I see no indication that ownership wants to be competitive. I'm in the majority of Reds fans that feel this way. What we're tired of hearing is that we need to wait and see what we have. It's just nonsense to try and get people to pay money to go to the ballpark. It's not a winning mentality at all.
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Bravo sir!
 
Gh0st said:
This has been the year circled to be competitive. I see no indication that ownership wants to be competitive. I'm in the majority of Reds fans that feel this way. What we're tired of hearing is that we need to wait and see what we have. It's just nonsense to try and get people to pay money to go to the ballpark. It's not a winning mentality at all.
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This team is two games over .500 and we're nearing the midpoint. Now the definition of "competitive" can go alot of ways, but I'd say they're competitive. Fans are great, they want to sign a bunch of guys to upgrade until they stink then they want to get rid of them. These guys don't sign two week or one month contracts.
I much more prefer to talk about the on field product, even if it's not good than to constantly wish we had different players and bang on the front office, who do not perform on the field. I think for alot of fans, who somehow have problems with blaming players, it's easy to just blame the GM and ownership because it's an easy target.

Reds/ Twins in Cincy for the next 3 days. A team that's alot like us. They are one game over .500. Abbott/ Lodolo/ Martinez. A name to look out for possibly next season is outfielder Cam Collier. He's been coming up through the ranks, he's in AA Chattnooga. He may be the eventual outfield bat we've been waiting for.
 
14Red said:
A name to look out for possibly next season is outfielder Cam Collier. He's been coming up through the ranks, he's in AA Chattnooga. He may be the eventual outfield bat we've been waiting for.
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He’s a 3B/corner infielder. According to Baseball Reference, he has never once played in the outfield as a pro.

Of course, that means the Reds will get desperate and try to turn him into an outfielder at some point because they don’t draft outfielders and they’re too cheap to pay major-league starting outfield talent.
 
14Red said:
This team is two games over .500 and we're nearing the midpoint. Now the definition of "competitive" can go alot of ways, but I'd say they're competitive. Fans are great, they want to sign a bunch of guys to upgrade until they stink then they want to get rid of them. These guys don't sign two week or one month contracts.
I much more prefer to talk about the on field product, even if it's not good than to constantly wish we had different players and bang on the front office, who do not perform on the field. I think for alot of fans, who somehow have problems with blaming players, it's easy to just blame the GM and ownership because it's an easy target.

Reds/ Twins in Cincy for the next 3 days. A team that's alot like us. They are one game over .500. Abbott/ Lodolo/ Martinez. A name to look out for possibly next season is outfielder Cam Collier. He's been coming up through the ranks, he's in AA Chattnooga. He may be the eventual outfield bat we've been waiting for.
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Everyone here is talking about the on-field product and in its current rendition, is not built for success over a 162 game season in which injuries will occur 100% of the time. The starting pitching actually could carry them in a short playoff series, but they have to get there.

The front office has made their bed and that bed involves being adversarial with their fans. I don’t have a shred of sympathy for all the heat they deservedly take.

Players are blamed here every day. However, I do give them the benefit of the doubt in that they get no support from the higher ups. It isn’t desirable to waste your career playing for a franchise that doesn’t prioritize winning.

Nobody wants to sign “a bunch of guys”. The same people on here have been asking for the same thing. One major league outfield bat. An argument can certainly be made to shore up the bullpen, but the Reds have been okay. Not great, just okay.

As AEW has said, Cam Collier is a 3B who’s never played a day in the outfield. We’ve seen how this musical chairs with position players affects defense, why do you think this experiment needs to be done again? Let people play their positions and if their position is blocked, trade them to upgrade another position you’re in need of.
 
AEW Champion said:
He’s a 3B/corner infielder. According to Baseball Reference, he has never once played in the outfield as a pro.

Of course, that means the Reds will get desperate and try to turn him into an outfielder at some point because they don’t draft outfielders and they’re too cheap to pay major-league starting outfield talent.
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You do realize that most of the players in the majors were little league/ high school shortstops/ pitchers. The only real position position is catcher and pitcher and most pitchers were their high schools / colleges best athletes. The transition to outfield isn't hard for good athletes.
 
I know this will break the hearts of many, but OF Jacob Hurtubuese was claimed of waivers by the Mariners
 
14Red said:
A name to look out for possibly next season is outfielder Cam Collier. He's been coming up through the ranks, he's in AA Chattnooga. He may be the eventual outfield bat we've been waiting for.
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Collier is an outfielder just like Lux, McLain and Espinal. Which is to say he is an infielder.

Collier is a big kid who does not run very well. He does hit for power. 3B or he may grow into 1B.

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Just like that 4 unearned runs and the Reds lose the lead. Lets keep rotating players and sacrificing defense.
 
let me just say this as a kid i was in cincinnati and we went to johnny benchs restuarant and another day we went to pete roses diner like restaurant ..johnny came in that night with bodyguards and didnt say hi to sny patrons .he rushed off upstairs and wasnt seen rest of the night ////when we went tp petes little joint .he came in by himself and actually greeted everybody .walked around signed autographs gave me and my brother 2 signed baseballs for free . so ,needless to say, despite pete being a hillbilly and later in life screwing up in every way possible , he at least took time to talk with his fans and patrons .this was around 1980 or 81 .
 
Good win. I will say, Will Benson is redeeming his abysmal 2024, at least when he’s hitting righties. Still not a starter, but a bat I’d leave on the bench for spot starts against RHP or pinch hitting. Still need that outfield bat you’d run out no matter the matchup.
 
Another nice W. I know Friedl will probably not make the All Stars, but he is having a terrific season.

As for all-stars, how in the HE___ is Elly De La Cruz 4th in the shortstop voting? He leads all NL shortstops in HR, RBI, Runs, SB and OPS. His average is up to .270, for you dinosaurs out there. He does not have the name recognition of Lindor, Turner and Betts, but he deserves to be the starting SS this year.

"Move him down in the lineup". LOL.
 
kdiamond said:
let me just say this as a kid i was in cincinnati and we went to johnny benchs restuarant and another day we went to pete roses diner like restaurant ..johnny came in that night with bodyguards and didnt say hi to sny patrons .he rushed off upstairs and wasnt seen rest of the night ////when we went tp petes little joint .he came in by himself and actually greeted everybody .walked around signed autographs gave me and my brother 2 signed baseballs for free . so ,needless to say, despite pete being a hillbilly and later in life screwing up in every way possible , he at least took time to talk with his fans and patrons .this was around 1980 or 81 .
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What a great memory, and that was such a different time because pro athletes were still viewed as normal people, especially guys like Bench and Rose. Today many of these guys are insulated with layers of family, agents, and other staff. They may own a restaurant but only for namesake and they are not really involved. Now the Reds do a wonderful job of putting their players out there in the community, but it's generally in a very controlled environment for the community foundation. I remember countless stories of Joey Votto going to the Reds youth ballparks there in the Cincy area on his own time and helping out kids with baseball. That's organic.
 
How about these guys, that's 9 of the last 12!!! Another come from behind after a horrible error by CES took a win from Abbott. But the guys rebounded and just a real character building win.

NOW...we've been in this position, some momentum, Lodolo tonight....it's a BIG start for him. We need for him to prove he can be a top of the rotation guy and dominate. Hays is close to coming back too.
 
Gh0st said:
Good win. I will say, Will Benson is redeeming his abysmal 2024, at least when he’s hitting righties. Still not a starter, but a bat I’d leave on the bench for spot starts against RHP or pinch hitting. Still need that outfield bat you’d run out no matter the matchup.
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I think at this point we don't have a ton of other options, and we've seen enough of Benson to think he's got the tools. Is there a guy who seems to hit into more bad luck too? Talent wise, he's out 2nd best outfielder behind Friedl. I like Fraley, but Benson is a better option.
 
14Red said:
How about these guys, that's 9 of the last 12!!! Another come from behind after a horrible error by CES took a win from Abbott. But the guys rebounded and just a real character building win.

NOW...we've been in this position, some momentum, Lodolo tonight....it's a BIG start for him. We need for him to prove he can be a top of the rotation guy and dominate. Hays is close to coming back too.
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Gh0st said:
Good win. I will say, Will Benson is redeeming his abysmal 2024, at least when he’s hitting righties. Still not a starter, but a bat I’d leave on the bench for spot starts against RHP or pinch hitting. Still need that outfield bat you’d run out no matter the matchup.
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just listen to me, mr diamond gh)st.. Ill tell you when Reds will win or lose. I k now bteer than Pete did whe he was mngr .🧠
 
Don't look now, 4 straight series won! Thank goodness for the American League Central.

Can the Reds play a strong afternoon game and get the W and sweep today?
 
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