the BOE situation is unfortunate right now. i’d expect better from Tipp. but it happens. Tipp has a top notch coaching staff, and they run a great program. Sometimes it’s not about developing talent, but what you do with it. Tipp also seems to have the community support needed. Tipp absolutely has the potential to be on the level of Piqua and Troy, year in year out
you’re right about other sports. but it also goes to show there are a ton of athletes on that building. big of other sports at Tipp can be that successful, no reason football cant
I think their struggles we’re probably mostly due to talent and depth. They’re OL and DL were really small. I don’t know much about the staff. Some might have been ok and some might have been a group of clowns? IDK. It sounds like they didn’t work well with others. I’ve literally not heard one person say anything positive about any of them. You’d think someone would have something nice to say about one of them at some point.
A new and fresh start will probably help everyone connected to the program. I’ll ask some clients coming through the chairs over the next couple of weeks. Statically speaking, he will likely need several of the old staff to fill spots. The old coach probably had a good message to the kids, but how you deliver that message is just as important. Hopefully, the new staff will figure that out and have some success. I would think, they’ll get feedback from kids and administration on the previous situation to help with the process of interviewing. Retain the good ones and fire the others or “restructure” them to the Jr. High program. I think Puckett was the DC? I’m assuming they would not retain the OC, they were statically awful last year. (actually I think they were bad on both sides of the ball) I cut the hair of a player’s parent. He said the kids said the former OC was really arrogant and awkward. They need a good OL coach. Hopefully, the new staff can connect.
It sounds more and more like the old staff was not liked by the players nor the parents. Puckett seems to have came from Centerville and try to spread that culture in Vandalia. That clearly was never going to work. Hopefully Cates hired a solid staff and did not keep too many from the old regime. This will be a big building year for the Aviators. If the new staff can come in and change the culture and keep kids from quitting, Butler will be successful again.
Yes you are right. But do not get me wrong.... Some of this is on the kids as well. You can not blame a coach for anything and everything. It starts with coaching and trickles down with the kids and how they respond. Butler was in several games last year where they could have pulled a couple win out, but did not. The ball could have bounced another way, in Butler wins two or three of those games. Ultimately it is on the coach as you said but the kids also get some blame.
Kids have to play better sure. Who is in charge of making that happen? There wasnt much talent I agree. They didnt have size. So whose idea was it to throw the ball and keep throwing after all those interceptions.
No matter what, a two win record for a team like Butler is unacceptable. The MVL will be much better if Butler is competitive year in and year out. There is no excuse for them not to be with how successul the wrestling and baseball programs are.
The types of kids that Butler and Tipp are getting to come out for football are very similar, so what’s the difference? Does it really come down to coaching, culture, or the culture of the town?
You my friend have a very value point! Tipp kids and Butler kids are very similar. I think it is all of the above to be honest. Butler year in and year out looks like they have the kids to compete, but they never do. Will the new regime change the culture of the program and fuel the culture of the town? Once upon a time, Vandalia was booming for football. In those early 2000's, the town was shut down and you could not find a seat at the games. The Northmont vs Butler game was one of the most talked about games in the area every year. I had a neighbor bring up a good point. Butler dropped off significantly after the re-alignment of the GWOC and their ultimate departure from the conference. What caused this drop off can be pointed to many different things, but I think you nailed a good portion of it.
With the expanded playoffs, I think Vandalia would have a chance to get in if they can go 500. There’s not a lot of D3 teams in that region to begin with. What teams on paper do you think they can beat this season? Greenville, WC, Fairborn are very possible. Just need 2 more? Not sure who their non conference opponent is?
I heard Sidney has a stud freshman that plays multiple positions. Interested to see if he plays varsity? I like Thursday night games. It gives a little HS excitement to talk about on Friday. Probably lose viewers to the NFL games, but they start later.
If that's accurate, I'd expect to see Tipp running the ball down the opposition's throats this season.
All of the above.
I am hoping they give Cates time because by the sound of it, it is a total rebuild. I am sure he has assembled a good staff and brought most from Covington where they were successful at.
They have the same RB as last year. He and most running backs aren't good enough to do it on their own. The line needs some work. I'm not making fun of you but your statement about the coaches in full pads is hilarious. Heck none of the coaches at Sidney want nothing to do with going full pads against the team. Heck from what I know they barely do any hitting at all.
most teams don’t do much contact in practice these days
Truth. I remember there were some limitations put out on practice contact a few years ago and looked them up and saw that OHSAA limits contact to 60 minutes a week, 30 minutes a day, and not on back to back days. Most of us old school guys don't probably agree with these limitations but when the NFL and NCAA have such strict rules on contact high school is going to have to follow suite. I'd like to hear the opinion of some coaches from around here if it has any kind of affect on the safety or preparation?
I've talked to some coaches, and for the most part they embrace it. it cuts down on injuries as well unnecessary bumps and bruises during practice. the goal of the week is to have the boys mentally and physically prepared for a battle each Friday. knocking each other in the mouth all week doesn't help that. coaches have developed many adequate tackling drills that require no taking to the ground.