110 Hurdles in 1969/ High School

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Spartan1969

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Hey everyone,
Figured this would be the place to find out. My 110 hurdler just flew the other day and hit 15.22. Question is that our record board has a record from 1969. Has the hurdle height in high school always been the same for the 110 high school high hurdles, or were they lower than the height they are at now. Figured someone on here would know. Ive searched all over, just cant find any answers on this one. Thanks.
 
 
Spartan1969 said:
Hey everyone,
Figured this would be the place to find out. My 110 hurdler just flew the other day and hit 15.22. Question is that our record board has a record from 1969. Has the hurdle height in high school always been the same for the 110 high school high hurdles, or were they lower than the height they are at now. Figured someone on here would know. Ive searched all over, just cant find any answers on this one. Thanks.
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The height appears to be the same as it was back then, just 110m now instead of 120 yds. If you follow the state meet record progression from 1969 to now, there is no year in there where the "reset" button was pushed to indicate that the event changed regarding the hurdle height. Had the hurdle height changed, there would've been a year where all 3 class/division winners set state meet records like happened in 1987 when the boys 300m hurdle height changed from 30" to 36".

The girls, on the other hand, went from running the 100m low hurdles to running the 100m 33" hurdles in 1984.
 
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The only difference between the 110m Hurdles and the 120 yard hurdles that was run in 1969 is that your hurdler ran an extra 10.5 inches or so after the last hurdle. The height, distance to the first hurdle, and distance between the hurdles should be exactly the same.
 
The 1969 time was also most probably "hand-held" so if the old record was 15.1 or 15.0, then your guy's 15.22 is FASTER as the minimum difference is .24
and even a 14.8 or 14.9 would be suspect as in 1969 most timers were not very good/experienced and that extra 10" could be a good .05 or so. Granted the 1969 time was also probably on cinders, which, IMO is worth about .3 on the hurdles. Lots of things to consider...
What was the "old" record? Where was it set (State meet or dual)?
Was is more that .5 faster than any other time that guy ran? I spent a summer doing research like this for all of our school's old records.... I am a true geek. Good Luck
 
When did hand held go away and electronic timing take over...is there a specific year. I remember when the 300 hurdles changed height. Im going to go through and change our school records to automatic timing soon. The 110 hurdler ran a 14.69. Like you said, hand held back then was crazy. I never like to change records though, but I also want to make it fair for the kids who now run under automatic timing.
 
The first time they used FAT (Accutrak) timing at the OHSAA State Meet was 1980. and since then, only FAT records were recognized at Meet records.
That is probably when Ohio State University got their first system to use. It must have not worked very well as many times are still listed as "hand times". In 1981 and since, almost all times are FAT. With very few exceptions, most meet times prior to the mid 80's were timed by hand and if they are listed to the hundreth of a second, they all should be rounded up.
Your old guy's time of 14.69 should be listed as 14.7h and with perfect hand-time would be adjusted to 14.94 ... For 1969, on cinders, I think that is pretty good and probably better than a current 15.22.... but a 15.22 in early April, in the cold, should improve a lot as the weather and his technique get better.
Good Luck to you both.
 
I agree with ENA2. If it were my record sheet, I'm listing both as record holders. The 1969 mark is 14.7h and the 2018 mark as 15.22.
 
Not sure that's necessary in most cases. The 120yd/110m hurdles is a little odd because it is only about 10.5 inches difference, and when you factor in manual vs FAT, things really start to get muddy.

I worked with a conference who kept the 4x220 yd boys relay on the record sheet long after the boys stopped running the event and it was a girls only event. When the boys started running the 4x200 meter relay, they didn't establish a record for that race until it beat the 4x220 mark from 30-40 years earlier. The thought process was that if the other boys ran further in less time, then the mark for the new race wasn't worthy of the record sheet yet.
 
Mr. Slippery said:
The height appears to be the same as it was back then, just 110m now instead of 120 yds. If you follow the state meet record progression from 1969 to now, there is no year in there where the "reset" button was pushed to indicate that the event changed regarding the hurdle height. Had the hurdle height changed, there would've been a year where all 3 class/division winners set state meet records like happened in 1987 when the boys 300m hurdle height changed from 30" to 36".

The girls, on the other hand, went from running the 100m low hurdles to running the 100m 33" hurdles in 1984.
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1987 is the correct year for the change, not 1984.
 
FYI - The boy's hurdles were 42" in the OHSAA system from its inception through the 1935 season. In 1936, the hurdle height was reduced to its current 39" height.
 
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Lancermania said:
I could have never done this job without your vital assistance. Remember that you are one of the founding fathers for this monstrous undertaking. I believe Seek Up was also one who completed the holy trinity with us.
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Yes, Seek Up was of invaluable assistance. No one person can do it all, but the "collective", to steal a phrase from Star Trek vernacular, can accomplish such a monumental task.
 
In 1969 the 110 hurdles were 36” not 39” like they are today. I don’t know if every state is the same, but I know in Louisiana where I ran the hurdles height changed in 1992. The race was 120 yards,which is about a foot shorter than the 110mh.
 
In 1935, The National Federation of State High School Athletic Associations lowered the high hurdles height from 42 to 39 inches where it has remained ever since.
 
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In 1935, The National Federation of State High School Athletic Associations lowered the high hurdles height from 42 to 39 inches where it has remained ever since.
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Exactly. The 42" were the standard height through the 1935 season. Beginning with the 1936 season, 39" hurdles were the new HS standard throughout the U.S.
 
Colbz said:
In 1969 the 110 hurdles were 36” not 39” like they are today. I don’t know if every state is the same, but I know in Louisiana where I ran the hurdles height changed in 1992. The race was 120 yards,which is about a foot shorter than the 110mh.
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I'm looking at old Louisiana state HS championships results from the early 80s, and they were already running fully metric, relays included, and with the high hurdles (39"-boys) in 1981. This makes perfect sense given the state meet has been held at LSU umpteen zillion years.

Maybe you're thinking about the shuttle hurdles, in which case, they may have been at 36" in meets you were at. You are correct in that the 110mH is about a foot (10.7 inches) longer than the 120 yards race, but that is less than 0.1 seconds difference at the 13-15 second range of race speed.
 
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