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If Trey doesn't mind me interrupting his Steve Specht love fest, the WCPO podcast recording is happening now.
FU! I’m not riling anyone up! It’s the same stupid bs you 2 dbags been doing for years! 2 little biatches not talking about Elder Football!!!Stop.
You're just trying to rile everyone up, it's a cordial conversation.
Again the kid has to put in the time. Most kids who are backups aren’t willing to do that.It's definitely both. You are vastly under-estimating the importance of confidence and leadership on a 15 year old kid. The key is to continually coach these kids up when you know they have some maturing to do. Make them feel wanted and engaged even when they're not playing much. Because, as he said, a ton of kids don't develop physically until junior year. You can't just give up on those kids because there's alot of them.
St X does a GREAT job at this and it starts with Specht's culture of ongoing development for everyone that puts in the time. Obviously, the kid needs to work to improve, but it takes it to another level when your coaches continue to believe in your upside. Alot of places simply give up on kids, especially the ones that haven't matured, after freshman season. Programs that have half their team quit after freshman year should be looking in the mirror.
A coach's confidence can do wonders for engagement and culture. These are the type of things that set St X apart as being the premier high school in the area (and no, I did not go there).
This is the most ridiculous statement I've ever read. Sadly, you think it's true. Embarassing.Most kids who are backups aren’t willing to do that.
At alot of schools, they don't.Why do half the kids quit after a year?
But you don't think a culture of encouragement, opportunity and development plays a role in that same kid's success? You're severely downplaying the role of leaders and mentors in that equation over a 4 year period. Again, both have skin in the game. Kids stick around for that, even if they're not playing.I never said lazy. Your example was a kid that went from lifetime backup to all star his senior year. I said that’s rare and in my experience this is due to the player putting in the work and making himself that all star.
I've seen alot of people on here throw out the stat that Elder typically loses half of their roster from freshman to JV year.Why do half the kids quit after a year?
They didn’t dominate the scrimmage last year. West should be on par with last year’s team, but Elder will be improved.I would expect LW to dominate the scrimmage, but I think that's fine. Elder has a lot of talent, but they are breaking in a new QB and it will take time for the offense to develop and new players to step up. I'm hoping the Elder defense looks solid since that the defense has more Varsity experience than the offense.
The freshman and JV also scrimmage Saturday. I'm hearing good things about the freshman class even though 66 players is a little on the low side for a Elder freshman team.
That hasn’t happened the last few year. I think the attrition in last year’s class from Frosh to JV made them change their philosophy a bit.I've seen alot of people on here throw out the stat that Elder typically loses half of their roster from freshman to JV year.
And that's not a huge red flag to people? It surprises me how nonchalant people are about this, especially also reading from several posters they are the smallest D1 school in football. The two don't jive. It's odd.
Never said that. All good schools have this culture.But you don't think a culture of encouragement, opportunity and development plays a role in that same kid's success? You're severely downplaying the role of leaders and mentors in that equation over a 4 year period. Again, both have skin in the game. Kids stick around for that, even if they're not playing.
Basically, do it on your kids - otherwise, take a hike.
You’re deliberately taking what I said I out of context. Development matters for everyone, but you’re incredibly naive to think that it’s a common occurrence for a benchwarmer to become a star.Development of football players doesn't apply to Elder football? Well, according to some on here (Omar, Mad Dogg) it apparently doesn't nor is it important. Might be a solution to the depth issue everyone here talks about.
It's funny that people think developing kids is telling them what to do and hoping they get to work. That's a very lazy approach to coaching, mentoring and developing. Both coach and athlete should have considerable skin in the game.
Then what's your point? What are you arguing?Never said that. All good schools have this culture.
Why do you always go from one extreme to the other? I never said benchwarmer.You’re deliberately taking what I said I out of context. Development matters for everyone, but you’re incredibly naive to think that it’s a common occurrence for a benchwarmer to become a star.
They didn’t dominate the scrimmage last year. West should be on par with last year’s team, but Elder will be improved.
Mitch Bolden has been the starter at LW since week 4 of his freshman season. (He was their QB in the 2019 playoff game in The Pit.)We will see. Elder had a lot returning last year so they were way ahead offensively in the preseason and for a first scrimmage. Bolden was only in his 2nd year there. Now, he is in his 3rd year there with his system in place and his son a 3rd year starter I think.
Mitch Bolden has been the starter at LW since week 4 of his freshman season. (He was their QB in the 2019 playoff game in The Pit.)
All of this talk of how programs do things differently I am of the opinion Specht, Ramsey, Mclaughlin, and Bolden are cut from the same cloth. I am sure some people can point out significant differences but I think if you pull back a couple layers you are most likely to find it is the Coach having to make adjustments to his specific school. And you might even be able to throw Mark Elder in there with them. He is kind of the new kid on the block and he inherited a dumpster fire. He has made nice adjustments and has Moeller headed in the right direction. My biggest hesitation with him is if he will stick around long term.
Elder didn’t have much returning outside of Hambleton and Ramsey. Ramsey was the best player on the field in last year’s scrimmage.We will see. Elder had a lot returning last year so they were way ahead offensively in the preseason and for a first scrimmage. Bolden was only in his 2nd year there. Now, he is in his 3rd year there with his system in place and his son a 3rd year starter I think. West will be really advanced for this early in the season. Elder just won't be there yet. It's not a knock on Elder at all, it's just the way it is when one team is more experienced vs. another. Elder will be fine. If they hang with West in the scrimmage, everyone should be excited. Again, I'm looking for Elder's defense to have a really good showing since they are more experienced on the defensive side of the ball heading into preseason/1st scrimmage.
At the 38 minute mark the West Hi Coach talks about why he moved to West Hi.If Trey doesn't mind me interrupting his Steve Specht love fest, the WCPO podcast recording is happening now.
Elder didn’t have much returning outside of Hambleton and Ramsey. Ramsey was the best player on the field in last year’s scrimmage.
Elder should be very strong on the DL. I expect them to more than hold their own. OL is a mystery. I feel confident in saying they will be better than last yr, but they need to be demonstrably better, not just a little better.
Where the Offense is relative to last year all depends on the OL. I also don’t know how they can control the game with Meier and Summers. They’re good east-west runners, but not really big enough to run bw Tackle.Yeah, ONLY Hambleton and Ramsey. Re-read that with a straight face. They also had Harp, Kirch, but I'll give you they didn't get the ball much behind Nieman and Ramsey in 2020.
The point is the offense last year at this point in the season is light years ahead of this year's just based on above. Like I said, they will be fine and develop into a very good offense I think with an improved offensive line and like Ramsey said on the Dyer interview they will get back to running the ball more and controlling the game like they want to.
Elder had plenty of weapons on the field last year on the offensive end. Harp, Kirsh, Flowers, Re - they just didn't utilize them nearly enough.
Didn't seem to slow down 80% of the offense to one guy. I agree that was a factor, but cmon, it was obvious what the MO of their offense was last year.hard to do when your QB is on his back.