irish_buffalo
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See.
Gop calls on Rep. Gonzalez to resign
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bob99
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I have read and heard that Trump switched from Democrat to Republican because he saw a better opportunity of being nominated as a Republican. It worked.
Hammerdrill
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You are just too hung up on his personality. I don't GAS about that. And really think it is silly that others do.
bob99
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I stated that I long for the return of the old GOP. Back when they were fiscally responsible. Why embrace a cheap imitation?
Hammerdrill
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It has been demonstrated that they could not be trusted. Sorry, but it is true. The Russian hoax proved it.
I certainly don’t want or trust the establishment/neocon GOP of McCain and Romney. They are a huge reason why Trump won in 2016. Grassroots conservatives were tired of the GOP that only cared about placating the Chamber of Commerce and the defense industry. They were globalists to the Nth degree, as well. Trump, for all his personal faults, was America first in his policies. He upset the status quo of the DC kickback money machine of the Dem and Rep swamp rats and they were prepared to do anything to get him out so they could return DC to their own playground. The media morons were useful idiots in the effort to get it done. In the end, it took Covid to derail Trump. Barely.
bob99
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And if Trump would have embraced his covid achievements and publicly took his covid shot instead of hiding behind closed doors I believe he would have been re-elected. He just couldn't get out of his own way?
irish_buffalo
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Self serving. Now he has reshaped the GOP in his image. As sad as it is it will not work because at some point you HAVE to reach out to others and work with people. Not purge people like Cheney and Gonzalez.
bob99
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Where is the proof that is was a hoax?
Populism has a long history of being a part of the conservative movement. It was driven from the party first by the GOP's embrace of Corporatism and then by the Neo-conservatives who wanted to intervene all over the world and couldn't say no to a war. Both Corporatism (globalism) and nation building are antithetical to populists so in order to run the party the way they liked the populists had to be driven out of the GOP.
The problem was that most good conservatives have a populist streak in them. If you embrace patriotism then you have to accept at least some elements of populism. If you believe a nation is strongest when it's people are fully employed and live in prosperous communities then you have to reject extreme globalism. If you believe that America should not be spending precious blood & treasure on Nation Building then you are at least in part a populist.
Obviously extreme populism can morph into fascism. But a healthy society needs a healthy dose of populism. Reagan and Trump were both populists to varying degrees. GW Bush was not and personalities aside who truly governed better and left a better legacy?
irish_buffalo
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Good post. Makes sense.
And when was this golden time that republicans were fiscally responsible?
bob99
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When I voted Gonzalez was listed on my ballot as a Republican. Who do I sue for false advertisement?
bob99
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Lol. You got me there. They campaigned as the fiscally responsible party. I give them credit back when they talked a good game. Does it count if they are more fiscally responsible when the Left is in office?
IB I started having serious doubts about the honesty and competence of our Intelligence Community when Saddam's WOMD didn't turn up. Didn't you? I fully supported that war and it wasn't until years later and after seeing all the evidence that I realized what a fool I was and how dishonest Bush and the Intelligence community were.
THEY CAMPAIGNED - eg, they fund raised on the issue. Big difference to actually doing anything about it. And like the democrats with poverty & racism they never wanted to see the spending problem solved because then how would they get elected and how would they fund their campaigns?
The Tea Party was destroyed by the republican party. Ever think about why that was?
And no it doesn't count that the GOP only spends like drunken sailors when the democrats spend like coke infused drunken sailors.
I will never deny he was often his own worst enemy. That’s still no excuse for the media blackout of his productive achievements while delivering a steady diet of negative and often embellished stories about Trump.And if Trump would have embraced his covid achievements and publicly took his covid shot instead of hiding behind closed doors I believe he would have been re-elected. He just couldn't get out of his own way?
Maybe not but like Reagan he was an ex democrat outsider.
Gonzalez.
The power was a bipartisan commission led by Senate Republicans...but OK.
y2h
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If your "life doesnt change" based on election results why bother voting?Muller passed his finding on to the AG. The AG was in Trump's pocket and chose to not pursue Muller's finding. Keep cherry picking. Read on and tell me President is exonerated by the Senate Intelligence Committee. How would he know? He didn't even read it. I don't have to follow any party line. Usually where there is smoke there is fire. I think President Clinton and President Trump should have been investigated by an independent panel. We will never know the absolute truth. I guess you think Clinton and Trump are both innocent of all charges against them. It would be totally unethical and biased for you to think otherwise. Keep feeding the conspiracy theories. My life doesn't change no matter who is the President of the United States. I bow down to no one.
"U.S. President Donald Trump said the U.S. Senate Intelligence Committee’s final report on Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election showed he had not colluded with Russia or Ukraine.
“I don't know anything about it. I didn't read it," Trump told reporters on August 18 in Yuma, Arizona, where he was holding a campaign event. "It's all a hoax."
Trump, who has repeatedly called the Russia investigations a “hoax," added, “All I know is that I have nothing to do with [Russia or Ukraine] and that came out loud and clear in the report."
Trump's 2020 campaign responded to the report by saying it was evidence that there was no collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign. The "Russia Collusion Hoax is the greatest political scandal in the history of this country," it added in a statement.
The report details an aggressive effort by Russia to interfere in the 2016 election on Trump's behalf. It says the Trump campaign chairman had regular contact with a Russian intelligence officer and says other Trump associates were eager to exploit the Kremlin's aid.
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Senate Panel Releases 'Most Comprehensive' Report On Russia's 2016 Election Interference
The fifth and final report by the Republican-led committee also found that Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered the hack into the Democratic Party and the leak of information to damage Hillary Clinton and her presidential campaign against Trump.
The Senate panel called the 1,300-page report “the most comprehensive description to date of Russia's activities and the threat they posed,” describing Russia as engaged in an “aggressive, multifaceted effort to influence, or attempt to influence, the outcome of the 2016 presidential election.”
The bipartisan investigation lasted almost 3 1/2 years.
“Moscow's intent was to harm the Clinton campaign, tarnish an expected Clinton presidential administration, help the Trump campaign after Trump became the presumptive Republican nominee, and undermine the U.S. democratic process,” the report stated.
It also found that WikiLeaks played a key role in Russia's effort to influence the election to help Trump, and that the website “very likely knew” it was assisting a Russian influence effort, the committee’s report said.
While Russia’s GRU military intelligence and WikiLeaks released hacked Democratic Party documents, the report found the Trump campaign sought to use the WikiLeaks hacks to aid the campaign.
The panel does not reach a conclusion about whether there is enough evidence that Trump’s campaign coordinated or colluded with Russia, leaving that open to interpretation by Republicans and Democrats.
A group of Republicans on the panel submitted “additional views,” saying that it should state more explicitly that Trump’s campaign did not coordinate with Russia. But Democrats on the panel submitted their own views, arguing that the report clearly shows such cooperation.
The Senate investigation also examined issues of interest to Trump that were not explored by Special Counsel Robert Mueller, who concluded in a report issued in 2019 that Russia interfered in the election. Those include the FBI's reliance on a dossier of opposition research compiled by former British spy Christopher Steele, whose work was financed by Democrats.
Senator Marco Rubio (Republican-Florida), the committee's acting chairman, said in a statement that the committee was troubled that the FBI had been willing to use the dossier “without verifying its methodology or sourcing” as it applied for secret surveillance warrants.
The Senate panel lays out close contacts between Trump associates and the Russians, describing in particular Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort’s connections to Russia and Russia-aligned oligarchs in Ukraine.
The report notes how for years Manafort worked closely with Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska and Konstantin Kilimnik, a Russian whom the FBI suspects has ties to Russian intelligence. The panel unequivocally states Kilimnik was a Russian intelligence officer and that Deripaska coordinated with the Russian government to conduct influence operations abroad.
“Taken as a whole, Manafort's high-level access and willingness to share information with individuals closely affiliated with the Russian intelligence services, particularly Kilimnik and associates of Oleg Deripaska, represented a grave counterintelligence threat,” the panel said.
Manafort was sentenced in March 2019 to more than seven years in prison after being convicted on bank- and tax-fraud charges and charges stemming from his work for Ukrainian politicians. The convictions did not deal directly with questions of possible Russian interference in the election."
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Not understanding how politics effects your life is a call for reality to strike.
y2h
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Clinton's impeachment was a farce just as the Trump impeachment was.
Mueller was a massive investigation which found nothing on collusion by their own admission.
y2h
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A Mueller investigation packed with anti Trumpers couldnt find anything.. that's pretty indisputable.
y2h
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Says the partisan hack who decries what the left stands for and votes for them anyway.
We are talking in context of politics, Democrats and Republicans. So yes he went to bat for the other team when he bought the big lie.
y2h
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"They lied about weapons of mass destruction, but I trust them 100% on Trump"
y2h
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Harrycrane
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Why did they all lie? The process crime excuse as the administration racked up indictments guilty pleas and sentences Lin a steady stream and it may not be done .(. Rudy G. doesn’t have Billy Barr to protect him now )! Weak sauce . Even for you .
Harrycrane
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Benghazi ?
The voters will purge Cheney and Gonzalez.