OHSAA Weight class change survey??

Which weight classes would you prefer for the Boys?

  • 12 Weight Classes – 108, 116, 124, 131, 138, 145, 152, 160, 170, 190, 215, 285

    Votes: 15 12.5%

  • 13 Weight Classes – 107, 114, 121, 127, 133, 139, 145, 152, 160, 172, 189, 215, 285

    Votes: 39 32.5%

  • 14 Weight Classes – 106, 113, 120, 126, 132, 138, 144, 150, 157, 165, 175, 190, 215, 285

    Votes: 66 55.0%
  • Total voters
    120
hubman

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NFHS is contemplating weight class changes for high schools starting in 23-24 and OHSAA is looking for input from Coaches and Athletic Directors. How would you vote?

12 Weight Classes – 108, 116, 124, 131, 138, 145, 152, 160, 170, 190, 215, 285
13 Weight Classes – 107, 114, 121, 127, 133, 139, 145, 152, 160, 172, 189, 215, 285
14 Weight Classes – 106, 113, 120, 126, 132, 138, 144, 150, 157, 165, 175, 190, 215, 285


If I could figure out how to list two poll questions I would of asked for the Girls weights also. Their options are listed below:

12 Weight Classes – 100, 107, 114, 120, 126, 132, 138, 145, 152, 165, 185, 235
13 Weight Classes – 100, 106, 112, 118, 124, 130, 136, 142, 148, 155, 170, 190, 235
14 Weight Classes – 100, 105, 110, 115, 120, 125, 130, 135, 140, 145, 155, 170, 190, 235
 
 
WishYouWereHere said:
Well, since you asked ...
15 weight classes (106, 113, 120, 126, 132, 138, 145, 152, 160, 168, 176, 186, 198, 220, 285).
3 divisions just like it is.
We would still have a state champion at each weight class like before.
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Okay, without trying to start an argument (because I will not respond), I have a question.
The vast majority of teams in Ohio can not fill the 14 classes we have now. How does adding one more weight class help that?
Don't bother with the idea that reducing would remove opportunities. They are only opportunities if there is someone to fill them.
The huge number of forfeits in virtually every dual meet bears that out. What parent wants to go to a match only to see their child receive a forfeit?
BTW unrelated, the decline of enrollment in schools simply does not support 3 divisions anymore either. Argue all you want but half full Sectionals at all sites proves that.
 
Jim Behrens said:
Okay, without trying to start an argument (because I will not respond), I have a question.
The vast majority of teams in Ohio can not fill the 14 classes we have now. How does adding one more weight class help that?
Don't bother with the idea that reducing would remove opportunities. They are only opportunities if there is someone to fill them.
The huge number of forfeits in virtually every dual meet bears that out. What parent wants to go to a match only to see their child receive a forfeit?
BTW unrelated, the decline of enrollment in schools simply does not support 3 divisions anymore either. Argue all you want but half full Sectionals at all sites proves that.
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I couldn’t give two ***** about duals.
Go to tournaments and you will have 15 champions.
Thanks for asking. Have a nice day.
 
I voted 14 for both girls and boys.
Jim Behrens said:
Okay, without trying to start an argument (because I will not respond), I have a question.
The vast majority of teams in Ohio can not fill the 14 classes we have now. How does adding one more weight class help that?
Don't bother with the idea that reducing would remove opportunities. They are only opportunities if there is someone to fill them.
The huge number of forfeits in virtually every dual meet bears that out. What parent wants to go to a match only to see their child receive a forfeit?
BTW unrelated, the decline of enrollment in schools simply does not support 3 divisions anymore either. Argue all you want but half full Sectionals at all sites proves that.
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I agree that there should be 2 divisions now, but I still support 14 weight classes. I get most schools can't fill them, but many teams ebb and flow over the years, why take opportunities away? For the next couple of years I can fill a lineup but in 3-4 years I may only have 6, who knows. But the last thing I want to do is take away opportunities. Which is why I also voted for 14 for girls, they should have equal footing and opportunity as boys. I think it is up to us coaches to ensure we schedule duals with teams with equal numbers to make dual meets competitive. With the exception of our conference duals, all our duals next season is with D1 teams to make sure everyone gets matches.
 
Crimsonblooded said:
26 weights 98 104 110 116 122 128 134 140 146 152 158 164 170 176 182 188 194 200 210 220 230 240 250 265 290 305 I would have 7 divisions just like football
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And I guarantee you would have 182 state champions.
“If you build it, he will come”. - meaning...
More opportunities creates more wrestlers.
 
College weights: 125, 133, 141, 149, 157, 165, 174, 184, 197 & 285
We should have more high school weights that correlate more closely with college weights.
This choice below does not do that.
“14 Weight Classes – 106, 113, 120, 126, 132, 138, 144, 150, 157, 165, 175, 190, 215, 285.”
I feel that my 15 weights do that.

But, if it’s coming from the NFHS then it’s probably already a done deal. The OHSAA wouldn’t dare sway away from their recommendation.
 
Jim Behrens said:
Okay, without trying to start an argument (because I will not respond), I have a question.
The vast majority of teams in Ohio can not fill the 14 classes we have now. How does adding one more weight class help that?
Don't bother with the idea that reducing would remove opportunities. They are only opportunities if there is someone to fill them.
The huge number of forfeits in virtually every dual meet bears that out. What parent wants to go to a match only to see their child receive a forfeit?
BTW unrelated, the decline of enrollment in schools simply does not support 3 divisions anymore either. Argue all you want but half full Sectionals at all sites proves that.
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school enrollment is always up and down.from 07 to 17 you had 1.7 million...in 95 to 06 you had 1.8 mill.86 to 93 back to 1.7 mill....77 t0 80 over 2 million .i wouild say enrollment supports 3 divisions.leave it as is and maybe work on the youth level and keeping kids out for the sport thru jr high onto the high school.
 
as for wt classes ,what im seeing more of is less weight busting for kids.so if you want better opportunity and healthier open the wt classes up.average wt of high school kids is 105 to 170.go 5 pound increments between those 2 and add 1wt down below and 3 above or leave 14 and go 95-110-125-130-135-140-145-150-155-160-165-170-190-hwt.that takes better care of average wt of kids..youth numbers are up and look how many wt classes they have....2 divisions isnt more opportunities. .....when people talk 2 divisions they better remember your big d2 schools will move up to competing with the d1 programs and then the big d3 schools will compete with whats left of the d2 bigger schools.
 
I would like to see them keep 14 but spread the upper weights out a little more and add in another middle weight.
 
13 weights
Combine the new school with the old school
106
113
120
126
132
138
145
152
160
171
189
215
285

13 weights(odd number) makes tied dual meets easy to decide a winner. Instead of having 18393827 criterias, you would know right away who won the dual. Someone has to win 6 and someone has to win 7.
 
Naah.
There will be a double forfeit at 106.
6 wins each after that.
Oh crap, what is the criteria???
And then since it took 30 mins to figure out who won the dual, the extras that weigh 182, 195 & 220 won’t get to wrestle their jv matches because the official has to get home.
 
WishYouWereHere said:
And then since it took 30 mins to figure out who won the dual, the extras that weigh 182, 195 & 220 won’t get to wrestle their jv matches because the official has to get home.
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False, wrestle the matches first and figure the score out later. Or have the admin on duty and a stat from each team figure it out while the JV matches are going on if it's something that has to be done RIGHT NOW. Or, if they are truly JV and not one team's jv vs the other's varsity guy who just wrestled, wrestle them before the varsity dual.
 
Cramer said:
False, wrestle the matches first and figure the score out later. Or have the admin on duty and a stat from each team figure it out while the JV matches are going on if it's something that has to be done RIGHT NOW. Or, if they are truly JV and not one team's jv vs the other's varsity guy who just wrestled, wrestle them before the varsity dual.
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They were all varsity the year before; but with the new proposed weight classes which took away the big weights, only 1 of them is varsity now.
But they still don’t have a 106 lb’er.
 
WishYouWereHere said:
They were all varsity the year before; but with the new proposed weight classes which took away the big weights, only 1 of them is varsity now.
But they still don’t have a 106 lb’er.
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Oh I'm not arguing with you there, I'm not happy about the weight distribution in the big boys for any of the choices.

Personally, I like the 13 weights mostly because no matter how much I recruit or how many kids I had on the team, I could never fill all 14 weights in a given season. However, I did vote for 14 for both guys and girls because any given year the distribution of where kids falls will change and we/they will adjust. Just like CoachJules said above, seasons and numbers will change and I won't let my lack of numbers dictate everyone else.
 
Cramer said:
Oh I'm not arguing with you there, I'm not happy about the weight distribution in the big boys for any of the choices.

Personally, I like the 13 weights mostly because no matter how much I recruit or how many kids I had on the team, I could never fill all 14 weights in a given season. However, I did vote for 14 for both guys and girls because any given year the distribution of where kids falls will change and we/they will adjust. Just like CoachJules said above, seasons and numbers will change and I won't let my lack of numbers dictate everyone else.
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Everyone is having problems with numbers. Check the sectional rosters. Even some of the larger D1 schools are not filling their line up. In my opinion having 14 weight classes has hurt the sport more than helped because it has hurt the jv level. Instead of having a year or more to develop, a freshman or first year wrester is thrown into the varsity since there is no one else.

What people don't seem to remember is that we have not always had 14 weight classes. All the way up to the early 90's it was 13. These were also some of our biggest participation years. If I am not mistaken they added a 14th because there was too big a jump from 189 to Hvy. So the 215 weight class was invented.
 
Sweep said:
What people don't seem to remember is that we have not always had 14 weight classes. All the way up to the early 90's it was 13. These were also some of our biggest participation years. If I am not mistaken they added a 14th because there was too big a jump from 189 to Hvy. So the 215 weight class was invented.
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The 215 pound class was added in the 2002-03 season under Rule 4-4-1.
 
Whizzer King said:
The 215 lb. class began during the 1994-1995 season
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I just looked at that years rule book (1994-95) and it is penciled in so I guess that is correct. It must have been an afterthought to the rules makers as it was not part of the rule book as published.
Interestingly enough, the 2001-02 Rule Book says the 215 class is state association optional.
The next year it was highlighted as a change in the rules.
 
My biggest wish is that the upper weight classes, at the very least, stay as they are (170, 182, 195, & 220).
Sectional entry grids say that they should.
 
Sweep said:
Everyone is having problems with numbers. Check the sectional rosters. Even some of the larger D1 schools are not filling their line up. In my opinion having 14 weight classes has hurt the sport more than helped because it has hurt the jv level. Instead of having a year or more to develop, a freshman or first year wrester is thrown into the varsity since there is no one else.

What people don't seem to remember is that we have not always had 14 weight classes. All the way up to the early 90's it was 13. These were also some of our biggest participation years. If I am not mistaken they added a 14th because there was too big a jump from 189 to Hvy. So the 215 weight class was invented.
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I know this, I've tracked the last 4 years of sectional data across all 3 divisions (with the exception of last year D2, not sure why I didn't? and I haven't finished this year). I pull the actual numbers of participants and not just entry grid data. On average D1 will have about 11 teams represented at each sectional and the average range of participants in each weight falls between 7 and 9 per weight. That gap only gets wider as we go down in division, meaning on average each sectional has more than 11 but the number of participants is still between that 7 and 9.

I whole heartily agree with the jv statement and that is my main reason for the decrease in weights. It's not a lost opportunity to wrestle, it changes where those opportunities lay where we're not forcing jv kids into empty spots on a varsity line-up. Build the numbers and experience by not getting kids beat up all of the time at varsity events. As someone said earlier there's not enough jv events, honestly, there's not enough jv kids to warrant these events. I run a jv tourny every year, I don't do awards or team score because I just want kids to get matches and some years I'll have full 6 man round robin weights across the board, and others I'm combining multiple weights just to get kids 2 matches.
 
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WishYouWereHere said:
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That is an exception because said site had 21 schools in it. Central D2 had two sectionals in the previous "cycle", but due to the lack of countable "teams" among the schools in Central D2, they dropped to one sectional with a whole bunch of schools in it.

Here's the numbers for the northeast district D2 sectionals this year:

Painesville Harvey (10 schools): average entrants per team = 9; average weight class participants = 6.5, median weight class participants = 6.5
Lake Catholic (11 schools): average entrants per team = 10.3; average weight class participants = 8.1, median weight class participants = 8
Beachwood (11 schools): average entrants per team = 9.1; average weight class participants = 7.1, median weight class participants = 7.5
West Branch (12 schools): average entrants per team = 11.9; average weight class participants = 10.2, median weight class participants = 10.5
CF Northwest (12 schools): average entrants per team = 9.7; average weight class participants = 8.3, median weight class participants = 8
 
I see your point, but my point of posting it was to show that there are more wrestlers in the biggest 4 weights than in the lightest 4 weights.
 
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